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What is the probability of getting a sum of 8 or 14 when rolling 3 dice simultaneously?

a) 1/6
b) 1/4
c) 1/2
d) 21/216
e) 32/216

Is there a shorter way to do this than listing each possibility?


I am confident that there is a better way, but I looked at the first few possibilities

throw a 3 - 1 way
throw a 4 - 3 ways
throw a 5 - 6 ways
throw a 6 - 10 ways

and recognized these as triangular numbers (the series could also be identified as add 2, add 3, add 4 ...).

from there it was easy to calculate that there are 21 ways to hit an 8 and 15 ways to hit a 14. (Problems with fair dice and coins produce symmetrical probability distributions, so one can count down from 1 way to throw an 18)

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Wow, Richie, this is a fast and easy way to solve it! I will take a note of this method!

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Is there any other to solve this question ?

Can you elaborate the answer pls. ?
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I missed some options for 8 as a sum. Idea is that options containing three different number have 3!=6 possible events, options containing 2 identical and 1 other have 3!/2!*1!=3 possible events. By multiplying and summing we get the answer
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Here's another way:
You start by listing out each possible triplet for every number on the dice for each of the two numbers we need (notice that for each triplet the probability is \(\frac{1}{6^3}\)):
8:
1:
[1,1,6]
[1,2,5]
[1,3,4]
[1,4,3]
[1,5,2]
[1,6,1]

2:
[2,1,5]
[2,2,4]
[2,3,3]
[2,4,2]
[2,5,1]

…and so on...

Soon thereafter, you realize that, for each number of the dice, there is one triplet less that adds up to 8, than the previous number (i.e. 1-triplets: 6, 2-triplets: 5, 3-triplets: 4, and so on…). Given that \(\frac{1}{6^3}\) is a common factor to all triplets, we get that: \(\frac{1}{6^3}*(6+5+4+3+2+1)\) or \(\frac{1}{6^3}*(21)\).

Then we do a similar process for 14:

1:
(No possible combination adds up to 14)

2:
[2,6,6]

3:
[3,5,6]
[3,6,5]

…and so on…

So you'll notice that a similar thing happens in this case: from 2 on, for each number of the dice, there is one triplet more that adds up to 14, than the previous number (i.e. 2-triplet: 1, 3-triplets: 2, 4-triplets: 3, and so on…). Again, given that \(\frac{1}{6^3}\) is a common factor to all triplets, we get that: \(\frac{1}{6^3}*(1+2+3+4+5)\) or \(\frac{1}{6^3}*(15)\).

Given that we need the probability of getting a sum of 8 OR 14, we add up both of these cases:
\(\frac{1}{6^3}*(21)+\frac{1}{6^3}*(15)\)

We factor out \(\frac{1}{6^3}\), and find that:
\(\frac{1}{6^3}*(36)\), and by recognizing that \(36 = 6^2\), we cross it out with \(6^3\) to find that the probability of getting a sum of 8 or 14 when rolling three fair dice is \(\frac{1}{6}\).

Answer A.
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What is the probability of getting a sum of 8 or 14 when rolling 3 dice simultaneously?

a) 1/6
b) 1/4
c) 1/2
d) 21/216
e) 32/216

Is there a shorter way to do this than listing each possibility?


I am confident that there is a better way, but I looked at the first few possibilities

throw a 3 - 1 way
throw a 4 - 3 ways
throw a 5 - 6 ways
throw a 6 - 10 ways

and recognized these as triangular numbers (the series could also be identified as add 2, add 3, add 4 ...).

from there it was easy to calculate that there are 21 ways to hit an 8 and 15 ways to hit a 14. (Problems with fair dice and coins produce symmetrical probability distributions, so one can count down from 1 way to throw an 18)

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Hi,
how do you throw 3 in 1 way? I have not understood these points. Will you explain these?
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You can throw 3 dices simultaneously to get sum as 3 in only one way - i.e. each dice should have 1 . Hence , you throw 3 in 1 way. And similarly for other numbers.

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how do you throw 3 in 1 way? I have not understood these points. Will you explain these?
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You can throw 3 dices simultaneously to get sum as 3 in only one way - i.e. each dice should have 1 . Hence , you throw 3 in 1 way. And similarly for other numbers.

NaeemHasan wrote:
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how do you throw 3 in 1 way? I have not understood these points. Will you explain these?

Now, got that. Can you describe about the triangular system as mentioned in the first reply?
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What is the probability of getting a sum of 8 or 14 when rolling 3 dice simultaneously?

a) 1/6
b) 1/4
c) 1/2
d) 21/216
e) 32/216

Is there a shorter way to do this than listing each possibility?


I am confident that there is a better way, but I looked at the first few possibilities

throw a 3 - 1 way
throw a 4 - 3 ways
throw a 5 - 6 ways
throw a 6 - 10 ways

and recognized these as triangular numbers (the series could also be identified as add 2, add 3, add 4 ...).

from there it was easy to calculate that there are 21 ways to hit an 8 and 15 ways to hit a 14. (Problems with fair dice and coins produce symmetrical probability distributions, so one can count down from 1 way to throw an 18)

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How 15 ways to hit a 14 as per this logic?
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where did the 216 come from?
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Richie Weasel wrote:
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What is the probability of getting a sum of 8 or 14 when rolling 3 dice simultaneously?

a) 1/6
b) 1/4
c) 1/2
d) 21/216
e) 32/216

Is there a shorter way to do this than listing each possibility?


I am confident that there is a better way, but I looked at the first few possibilities

throw a 3 - 1 way
throw a 4 - 3 ways
throw a 5 - 6 ways
throw a 6 - 10 ways

and recognized these as triangular numbers (the series could also be identified as add 2, add 3, add 4 ...).

from there it was easy to calculate that there are 21 ways to hit an 8 and 15 ways to hit a 14. (Problems with fair dice and coins produce symmetrical probability distributions, so one can count down from 1 way to throw an 18)

[more than 2 minutes - less than 3 minutes]


When you say that these are triangular numbers, the series is as follows:

Total number - No. of ways
3 1
4 3
5 6
6 10
7 15
8 21
9 28
10 36
11 36
12 28
13 21
14 15
15 10
16 6
17 3
18 1

Adding them all, total no. of ways : 240

But for 3 throws of a dice, total no. of ways = 6x6x6 = 216

How do you account for the discrepancy?
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What is the probability of getting a sum of 8 or 14 when rolling 3 dice simultaneously?

A. 1/6
B. 1/4
C. 1/2
D. 21/216
E. 32/216



If we're rolling 3 dice simultaneously, why is it that we're counting, for example, (6,1,1) as 3 ways?
Is it assumed that 3 dice are distinguishable?
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gayathri wrote:
What is the probability of getting a sum of 8 or 14 when rolling 3 dice simultaneously?

A. 1/6
B. 1/4
C. 1/2
D. 21/216
E. 32/216



If we're rolling 3 dice simultaneously, why is it that we're counting, for example, (6,1,1) as 3 ways?
Is it assumed that 3 dice are distinguishable?


Yes. Consider the die to be red, blue and green. Then 6, 1, 1 can occur in 3 ways:

red - blue - green
6 - 1 - 1
1 - 6 - 1
1 - 1 - 6.
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Possible outcomes (1,1,6): 3 ways, (1,2,5): 6 ways, (1,3,4): 6 ways, (2,2,4): 3 ways, (2,3,3): 3 ways, (4,4,6): 3 ways, (4,5,5): 3 ways, (5,6,3): 6 ways, (6,6,2): 3 ways
Total outcomes =36
Total outcomes = 6*6*6 = 216
Probability = 36/216 = ⅙ . Option A
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I dont understand why there are only three ways to roll (1,1,6). There are three difference dices; therefore there is supposed to be 6 ways.
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I dont understand why there are only three ways to roll (1,1,6). There are three difference dices; therefore there is supposed to be 6 ways.


Please read the whole thread: https://gmatclub.com/forum/what-is-the- ... l#p1799554
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I dont understand why there are only three ways to roll (1,1,6). There are three difference dices; therefore there is supposed to be 6 ways.


1, 1, 6
1, 6, 1
6, 1, 1

3 ways
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What is the probability of getting a sum of 8 or 14 when rolling 3 dice simultaneously?

A. 1/6
B. 1/4
C. 1/2
D. 21/216
E. 32/216


1 Dice: Probabilities of sums

1: 1/6
2: 1/6
3: 1/6
4: 1/6
5: 1/6
6: 1/6

2 Die: Probabilities of sums

2: 1/36
3: 2/36
4: 3/36
5: 4/36
6: 5/36
7: 6/36
8: 5/36
9: 4/36
10: 3/36
11: 2/36
12: 1/36

Probability of 8 with 3 die: 1 on first then 7 on next two, 2 on first and 6 on next two etc...
Probability of 8 with 3 die = (1/6)[(6 + 5 + 4 + 3 + 2 + 1)/36] = 21/216

Probability of 14 with 3 die: 2 on first then 12 on next two, 3 on first and 11 on next two etc...
Probability of 14 with 3 die = (1/6)[(5 + 4 + 3 + 2 + 1)/36] = 15/216

Probability of 8 OR 14 with 3 die = 21/216 + 15/216 = 36/216 = 1/6
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