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Profile evaluation HBS 2+2 [#permalink] New post 18 Sep 2013, 07:01
Hi all,

Couldn't get many informations on 2+2 profile reviews that might help me.
I saw that HBS has recently opened the 2+2 to Master's programs graduates.

Profile :
Male, 21 yo (22 by the time I graduate with a 2-years Master's)
French - Caucasian (I think it's important to HBS)

Undergrad:
Political Science Major in top 1 French School for PoliSci (probably considered top 5 European). GPA equivalent ~3.7

1 year exchange program at target (or semi-target ?) American college, average GPA 3.76

Grad:
2 years master's in International Security, double minor in Energy and Russia/CIS. GPA equivalent 3.7

Internships:
1 month research assistant in a center for international studies

5 months part-time internship at a corporate Foundation doing research and monitoring on international politics/defense

6 months full-time in the leading European aerospace/defense company working on strategy (mostly trends & intelligence analyst job)

I will be trying to get another 6 months part-time internship in a strategy consultancy firm that specializes in the aeronspace/defense industry (they told me to contact them in November)

Extracurricular :

Playing a European sport (team handball) in official competition since I'm 10

As a grad student, group manager on a student project in direct link with the French defense industry (study + presentation of the findings, as group manager: organizations of group meetings, coordination of student works, supervision of interviews)

I'm trying to get a leadership position at my school's student-managed international relations review for this year

GMAT soon to be taken, currently scoring 740ish on practice tests

Languages : French, English, Russian

Recommendations: Teacher that got me interested in the defense industry business, whom I interviewed as part of my student project, with whom I was in contact while interning at the defense firm in order to arrange meetings and cooperation between my firm and the French Ministry of Defense around a specific issue.

Direct supervisor at my internship, VP at Global 500 firm

Career goal/justification for the 2+2 : really into international relations and defense, got into the industrial side while in grad school (student project + courses + internships). Want to make the bridge to the sector to work on the business side of strategy.

Any idea of my chances of getting accepted ?

Thanks !
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Re: Profile evaluation HBS 2+2 [#permalink] New post 20 Sep 2013, 09:58
Hey VdV - wow you've got a lot of good stuff going on there! Good to see you're doing the GMAT instead of the GRE. Your grades look great (provided you've estimated them correctly - we're always a bit suspicious when we see people from foreign institutions touting a GPA-equivalent - most bschools don't actually want you to convert the grades and there's lots of room for error with it so it's much better to stick with your original reporting - we're assuming you're TB in the French system?). The internships are going to count for a lot for you, that will be one of the most important angles to highlight. Your HBS 2+2 essay should also talk about goals, more than other people's "standard" HBS essay probably should; the adcom will want to know your plans and why you're interested in 2+2. Your profile does seem a fit here but as you know, it's very very competitive. No problem with going for the later round for 2+2 though, which is atypical (HBS is usually a school that we emphasize a Round 1 app for - in your case it's not as critical).

The one comment is your recommendations - an academic recommender is fine in your case but we would encourage you to seek out two recs that can offer professional work experience insights. Academic is OK but HBS wants to see you "in action" - in a work environment. It's certainly acceptable to use a professor but maybe there's some other context for you to get someone to speak for you? We talk about applying to bschool straight from college (or master's) and academics recommendations in bschool apps on the EssaySnark blahg.

Looks like you're putting the right pieces in play - strategy is important, and explaining why you want to do 2+2 will be key. Good luck with all of it!!

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Re: Profile evaluation HBS 2+2 [#permalink] New post 20 Sep 2013, 10:07
essaysnark wrote:
Hey VdV - wow you've got a lot of good stuff going on there! Good to see you're doing the GMAT instead of the GRE. Your grades look great (provided you've estimated them correctly - we're always a bit suspicious when we see people from foreign institutions touting a GPA-equivalent - most bschools don't actually want you to convert the grades and there's lots of room for error with it so it's much better to stick with your original reporting - we're assuming you're TB in the French system?). The internships are going to count for a lot for you, that will be one of the most important angles to highlight. Your HBS 2+2 essay should also talk about goals, more than other people's "standard" HBS essay probably should; the adcom will want to know your plans and why you're interested in 2+2. Your profile does seem a fit here but as you know, it's very very competitive. No problem with going for the later round for 2+2 though, which is atypical (HBS is usually a school that we emphasize a Round 1 app for - in your case it's not as critical).

The one comment is your recommendations - an academic recommender is fine in your case but we would encourage you to seek out two recs that can offer professional work experience insights. Academic is OK but HBS wants to see you "in action" - in a work environment. It's certainly acceptable to use a professor but maybe there's some other context for you to get someone to speak for you? We talk about applying to bschool straight from college (or master's) and academics recommendations in bschool apps on the EssaySnark blahg.

Looks like you're putting the right pieces in play - strategy is important, and explaining why you want to do 2+2 will be key. Good luck with all of it!!

EssaySnark


Hi, thanks for the feedback ! I took the GMAT today and score 710 (Q46 V41), which is a bit low.. :/

Also, there is no "TB" in the French Grandes Ecoles. But a person from Cambridge Judge Business School told me they asked for a 3.7 minimum GPA, which translated into 14.5/20 in the French grading system (and that is my grade).

Also I spent a year at Johns Hopkins University where I got a 3.76 GPA
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Re: Profile evaluation HBS 2+2 [#permalink] New post 20 Sep 2013, 12:07
A 710 is indeed a little low compared to your cohort. It qualifies you but it's not as high as we like to see for a 2+2 candidate; the averages are incredibly high for those accepted students.

On the French grades, we have understood from our other clients that a 14 to 15.9 is a "bien" or B grade, and a 16 to 20 is a "tres bien" or TB grade. It sounds like you're hitting lower than you estimated - a 14.5 is unlikely to translate to a 3.7 on the U.S. system. You should always report your marks in the system that your institution uses.
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Re: Profile evaluation HBS 2+2 [#permalink] New post 20 Sep 2013, 18:30
essaysnark wrote:
A 710 is indeed a little low compared to your cohort. It qualifies you but it's not as high as we like to see for a 2+2 candidate; the averages are incredibly high for those accepted students.

On the French grades, we have understood from our other clients that a 14 to 15.9 is a "bien" or B grade, and a 16 to 20 is a "tres bien" or TB grade. It sounds like you're hitting lower than you estimated - a 14.5 is unlikely to translate to a 3.7 on the U.S. system. You should always report your marks in the system that your institution uses.


You are getting confused ;)

On the baccalauréat 16 does correspond to TB and 14 to Bien. I scored a 16.57 = TB on mine

In upper studies though, the system gets really confused, mixed between university (faculté) and Grandes Ecoles... with different grade systems ;)

As a matter of fact, London School of Economics for example might ask for a 13/20 for someone at "faculté" to get into master's, while it only asks for 12/20 from someone in "Grande Ecole"..

Weird, confusing French system :D

I was thinking that my grades while at Hopkins might help HBS assessing my grades.. I took 300/400 level classes (except for my Russian classes, which started 200) and got a 3.76 GPA
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Re: Profile evaluation HBS 2+2 [#permalink] New post 21 Sep 2013, 05:55
Thanks for setting us straight! Yup, it is confusing - but don't worry, all the schools are well versed in these different systems, they'll be able to evaluate your marks just fine. :-)

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