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PROFILE EVALUATION LOW (GMAT+ GPA [#permalink] New post 18 Aug 2011, 22:36
I am new to this site and want to say everyone story is really inspiring. Before I began to feel like I was wasting my time attending college fair, taking kaplan prep courses, visiting consultants, and trying to build a network that would never add up to my low gpa and gmat. Its sorta embarrassing to even say, and I'm pretty sure you seen all the stories.

I graduated may 2010 finance degree, been working since a freshman at a financial industry doing back end operation, really screwed up in the beginning of my freshman year, and have been trying to work my way up since. I can't seem to get a break though, but aside from my academic weakness i don't want to give up. In college I spent time working at financial industry, working on the side as car salesmen for private dealer, promoting at parties, involved in music production, up and down relationship, and a lot of soul searching. By the time I graduated I was really disappointed and realized I'd like to pursue an mba or higher degree.

As I jumped into the application process this past year not knowing everything I found myself in a position of stress, anger, and lost self confidence and it effected my overall interaction with people. As I'm going into my second year I want to approach this strategically with my head up high because I do feel that I can achieve great things.

Well not to ramble endlessly I just wanted some advice. My boss is really persistent about knowing how many classes I will be taking, hours, and duration. So I was planning on taking classes at harvard extension school ( oh by the way Im from boston) or should I do a post bacc which is way more costly? I have been trying to figure out how many should I take to clear my below gpa of 2.5? Also should I start studying once again for the gmat now or what until spring after I have taken a number of courses? I plan on giving myself another year or 2 before applying to any top tier school. I do plan on going to info session and researching until my fingers fall of. I also Have been struggling to find a position where i can be more of a leader. Should i be concentrating on that?

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Re: PROFILE EVALUATION LOW (GMAT+ GPA [#permalink] New post 18 Aug 2011, 23:19
first off, don't sweat it. You graduated in 2010. You have several years before your prime applying season. It'd actually be advantageous for you to work another 2 or even 3 years before applying, even if you didn't have weaknesses in your profile that you want to address. Applying with just 2 years of full-time post-undergrad work experience requires explaining, and making a case to the adcoms as to why right now is the precise right time for your MBA. When you add on that you'll have to explain away a sub-optimal GPA and a GMAT you're not that happy with, that's just too much explaining for one app. If you give yourself a few more years in the workforce, you'll be removing that "thin work experience" issue from your profile, and you'll have time to develop some leadership experience, have plenty of time to really study and nail the GMAT and also get some extra classes under your belt to show your GPA doesn't reflect your potential. Cooling your jets on this could seriously solve all your problems.

Don't bother with the post-bacc thing, it'll just drag you out of the work-force and handicap your career advancement opportunities. B-schools want to see people who have done impressive things in their short 4 or 5 years on the job, not someone who worked for a year or two after undergrad, then dove back into school, and now wants an MBA. That guy doesn't look like a future business leader, he looks like someone who just wants to stay in the cocoon of campus forever.

I'm a big fan of Harvard Extension. They have everything you need to build up a weak-GPA-offsetting transcript. If you have the time and energy, I'd say you should do 1 class per semester for the next 2 years or so. If you pile on more than that it will cut into your potential to take on leadership roles at work and build up an interesting after-hours EC profile. I speak from experience: I took 3 Extension classes in a semester a few years ago and the workload nearly killed me. And your boss really shouldn't be throwing a fit if you want to spend a couple evenings a week in Cambridge, especially if the classes you're taking are applicable to your job description.

Bottom line: Relax, time is very much on your side.
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Re: PROFILE EVALUATION LOW (GMAT+ GPA [#permalink] New post 19 Aug 2011, 07:23
First I just want to say thank you Joel for your response I really appreciate it. :-D As time goes on I am realizing that i gain more information than if I was rushing.

I really do want to be a leader and have made a list of weaknesses that i will be working on and short term goals. Acing the course this fall is my first and important goal so I will take 1 at a time. I was told last year by a consultant that it is going to take me a few year but I thought that was crushing news. I am realizing it is in my best interest. I'm 23 and very ambitious thats why i keep beating myself up.

I am also going to find great extra curricular activities to joing which is something i have been wanting to do for years now. But after reading the low gpa success stories and a number of people have done very well on their gmats why is that there is still some rejections? As i read one of your post you did Phenomenal but you still had concerns about the quant section :?:

I have done good amount of research on consortium program, went to faire, i will be attending info sessions, i have made new friends who are in great positions and plan on going for their mba.


Also since their a number of post and thread on this site is there any paticular that I should read as a first time user ?
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Re: PROFILE EVALUATION LOW (GMAT+ GPA [#permalink] New post 19 Aug 2011, 11:42
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...after reading the low gpa success stories and a number of people have done very well on their gmats why is that there is still some rejections?


The reason for this is that there is no magic bullet to get into any given B-school. It's not like if you cross a certain threshold, you're good to go. It's way more random than that:

Just think of the numbers involved here: Let's say that in the top 20 B-schools, there are 10,000 total slots each year for incoming students (just a nice round number, let's assume there are 500 students in each school's incoming class). The thing is, there is going to be a lot more than 10,000 applicants with stellar applications each year. Over 100,000 people take the GMAT annually, to use just one indicator of applicant pool size. There is room in our hypothetical Top 20 programs for roughly 10% of the test-takers (that's assuming nobody who took the test last year or the year before is applying, only this year's 100,000). But not everyone is shooting for the top programs, so let's remove some noise and limit our consideration to the applicants who are competing for the elite tier: think about someone with an 80th percentile GMAT score, which is widely believed to be something top schools want to see. By definition, these people are in the top 20% of GMAT takers, so there are 20,000 of them from a pool of 100,000 total test-takers. Yet our 10,000 seats in the Top 20 MBA programs means there is only room for half of the people who score above the 80th. Long story short, achieving the right mix of stats on paper isn't going to guarantee you entry.

Wharton, I have heard, openly concedes that about 75% of the apps they receive are admissible, which is to say 3/4 of the apps the adcom looks at have satisfactory stats and a solid profile and all that. Yet Wharton's admission rate is less than 20%. The difference between 75% "admissible" and 20% "admitted" highlights exactly how much of a crap-shoot it all is.

There isn't anything you can do to guarantee that you'll get into whatever your dream school is. All you can do is follow the wisdom on this board as to what kinds of activities and achievements positively correlate with landing in the admitted pile, and then beyond that cross your fingers.
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Re: PROFILE EVALUATION LOW (GMAT+ GPA [#permalink] New post 19 Aug 2011, 21:06
Wow you broke it down with reasonable stats. It is exactly a crap-shoot in my case but after making a semi formal strategic plan I see that the things I will be doing won't only be good for an mba but life itself. If i can create a unique story showing that I can overcome adversity who knows what doors will open up. I feel having a good two year plan of what I will be doing is better than just rolling with the punches of life's ups and downs.

I was reading U.sNews Best graduate schools 2012 edition which was given to me at the college fair, do you think it would be best to take certain courses at the schools to which they rank the best in. For instance (McCombs) score second best for accounting, and (wharton) scored first in the finance field. I know after reading your post their is no specific magic bullet but would it show that I am whiling to travel outside of the MA area and can also A's courses at other top tier school?
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I also took kaplan prep course and didn't find it to helpful well I believe in my case, is it safe to say I should explore some other prep courses instead of going back to kaplan when I am ready to study extensively for my gmat test :?:
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Re: PROFILE EVALUATION LOW (GMAT+ GPA [#permalink] New post 25 Aug 2011, 13:27
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Hi, Charles. Just wanted to weigh in on a few things. First, yes, you are young and you have time to prove your worth to a top MBA program. Here are my suggestions:
1) Yes, take a course each semester. This will not only keep you in student mode but will allow you to prove that you are capable of academic excellence to dispel concerns about your undergrad GPA.
2) Yes, seek opportunities to lead at work. Take initiative, contribute ideas, be a team player willing to do whatever it takes to improve operations in your team, your division, your company. Don't just look for ways to lead people in a team under you; pursue opportunities to lead management's decision making. Yes, that is difficult, but that is the attribute that most demonstrates real leadership.
3) Yes, get involved in community service but don't just get involved in a way that anyone could. Instead, pursue roles in which you shape a community organization or community itself. Tutoring one child is nice, but anyone can do that. Find ways to demonstrate that you are not just anyone in the community as well.
4) Remember that you and your profile do not need to be perfect. You should try new things and pursue new opportunities, but keep in mind that not every one of them will work out. Just never lose the ambition to make a difference, and let that ambition guide you.
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Re: PROFILE EVALUATION LOW (GMAT+ GPA [#permalink] New post 25 Aug 2011, 21:06
Thank you jenniferbloom,

I have been stressing but all the advice seem to make sense. I was just in a scramble I wanted to make best use of my time it was just the direction in which to go first. Weather it was studying for my gmat heavily, taking courses and which to start quant or business courses, looking for a job more relevant in my field, or as you said actually making a difference in the companies direction, networking, extracurricular activities such as non-profits or starting one? I have so much running through my mind so many ideas.

I appreciate the feedback I really do want to overcome my setbacks and hopefully one day being being ready and showing that I am ready to perform at a top tier program. I know that in undergrad I didn't compete or prove myself in academia but I am and can be very competitive in business world and other things. I want to write outstanding essays that will show he is ready for the next step in his career.

I started today by trying to solve a rubiks cube, having patience and following a certain order, and not letting the frustration get the best of me.
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ccharles1987 wrote:
Thank you jenniferbloom,

I have been stressing but all the advice seem to make sense. I was just in a scramble I wanted to make best use of my time it was just the direction in which to go first. Weather it was studying for my gmat heavily, taking courses and which to start quant or business courses, looking for a job more relevant in my field, or as you said actually making a difference in the companies direction, networking, extracurricular activities such as non-profits or starting one? I have so much running through my mind so many ideas.

I appreciate the feedback I really do want to overcome my setbacks and hopefully one day being being ready and showing that I am ready to perform at a top tier program. I know that in undergrad I didn't compete or prove myself in academia but I am and can be very competitive in business world and other things. I want to write outstanding essays that will show he is ready for the next step in his career.

I started today by trying to solve a rubiks cube, having patience and following a certain order, and not letting the frustration get the best of me.

If solving a Rubik's Cube gets your ideas flowing, then by all means do it! Then, put the cube down and get out there to make a difference in your company and community. I look forward to seeing what you come up with!
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