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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools with Low GMAT Score [#permalink]
02 Jan 2009, 14:18
FYI, it's very tough to get a job at a high-level, well-known non-profit right out of college with no experience. They don't recruit and get a truckload of resumes - every liberal arts major at every university within 100 miles applies for the lowliest administrative assistant position. To get in doing something substantive is even harder, and usually requires that you know someone (either through an internship, a fluke, or nepotism). Just my experience.
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools with Low GMAT Score [#permalink]
15 Jan 2009, 11:53
spiridon wrote: However, I am wondering why not so many females score high in GMAT since they usually have much better test scores at school and much better GPA's. Also, there was some data showing that much more females attend college these days than males
It would be interesting to see by gender and by race type of stats breakdown on the GMAC website but I think they just have scores from different countries and thats all they disclose to the public If you go to the GMAC website they have a report that details everything by Male, Female, Race etc. I think I remember the average white male around 550 and average white female slightly lower. African-Americans were the lowest around 440.
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools with Low GMAT Score [#permalink]
15 Jan 2009, 11:55
gixxer1000 wrote: spiridon wrote: However, I am wondering why not so many females score high in GMAT since they usually have much better test scores at school and much better GPA's. Also, there was some data showing that much more females attend college these days than males
It would be interesting to see by gender and by race type of stats breakdown on the GMAC website but I think they just have scores from different countries and thats all they disclose to the public If you go to the GMAC website they have a report that details everything by Male, Female, Race etc. I think I remember the average white male around 550 and average white female slightly lower. African-Americans were the lowest around 440. Can u post that link, I doubt that GMAC would have such a thing
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools with Low GMAT Score [#permalink]
15 Jan 2009, 13:22
greenoak wrote: spiridon wrote: Can u post that link, I doubt that GMAC would have such a thing The question was not addressed to me - but here is the link: http://www.gmac.com/nr/rdonlyres/f3b73942-8a93-4fc2-bb8d-1e8735158b80/0/profileofgmatcandidates0408.pdfYou can see the stats by gender, race, age etc. Data from earlier years is also available. Wonderful stuff bunch of kudos for you!
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools with Low GMAT Score [#permalink]
18 Jan 2010, 07:21
Hi all,my gmat score at my first and only attempt is 400.Very discouraging you'd agree with me!
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools w/ Low GMAT or Low GPA [#permalink]
20 Jan 2010, 09:35
theoutlawfades wrote: I spent most of my life until now refusing to "check the box" because I would rather know that I got somewhere in my life because I was great at what I do not because of my heritage. I was OK with my grades, OK with my test scores my entire life but always was the leader of everything I did and received several awards all through HS and Undergrad.
I only check the box now because I had a conversation with an AdCom member from a top 10 B-school who articulated to me that they don't see the URM status as being more lenient but they want and need a diverse program. Whether I check the box or not, they're going to maintain a diverse program either way and I may fit into one of the other "boxes" that they're looking for (career background, career goals, and life stories, etc.) given my solid marketing/advertising background and desire to go into a non-traditional career in Media and Entertainment. The big thing I might be passing on by not checking the URM box is scholarship money. Which, given the prospect of paying for everything myself with no help, is a BIG reason for me to check the box.
+1 on all counts, especially the bolded parts
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools w/ Low GMAT or Low GPA [#permalink]
21 Jan 2010, 21:36
aa5786 wrote: Just received an interview invite from Booth today NICE! Congrats! Good luck with the interview....
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools w/ Low GMAT or Low GPA [#permalink]
23 Jan 2010, 17:25
mbabound10, congrats on the acceptances. here is the consortium thread for this year - please feel free to post there as well: calling-all-fall-2010-consortium-applicants-merged-87799.html
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools w/ Low GMAT or Low GPA [#permalink]
26 Jan 2010, 22:37
Thanks.. that gives some hope! aa5786 wrote: Had a chat with a staff member at Wharton recently and discussed my 50 percentile quant score. Before I could jump into my standard explanation, she looked at my resume and said......"your work experience and undergrad econ major are all the examples I need of your quant ability, don't worry about it."
Guys - Don't let these +700'ers psych you out if you have other components of your background which can speak to ability.
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools w/ Low GMAT or Low GPA [#permalink]
26 Jan 2010, 22:48
Great post! Let's keep our hopes up.
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools w/ Low GMAT or Low GPA [#permalink]
27 Jan 2010, 11:03
aa5786 wrote: Had a chat with a staff member at Wharton recently and discussed my 50 percentile quant score. Before I could jump into my standard explanation, she looked at my resume and said......"your work experience and undergrad econ major are all the examples I need of your quant ability, don't worry about it."
Guys - Don't let these +700'ers psych you out if you have other components of your background which can speak to ability. How did you initiate this conversation and what is your standard explanation? Looks like you and I are in similar situations. Thanks!
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools w/ Low GMAT or Low GPA [#permalink]
31 Jan 2010, 20:56
Well put aa5786. I hope there are adcom's who look beyond numbers. aa5786 wrote: JoeKaneForHeisman wrote: How did you initiate this conversation and what is your standard explanation? Looks like you and I are in similar situations.
Thanks! I was on campus and made an appointment to discuss my application. As for the explanation, is pretty simple...I took the GMAT a bunch of times and was not able to crack it. Everyone has weaknesses and GMAT math happens to be one of mine. With that said, I have a pretty quant heavy job, such as projects x, y, z and am confident I can meet the quant rigors of the program...but if there is any additional classes/tests that the admin committee would like me to take, I am happy to do so. So what is your situation?
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools w/ Low GMAT or Low GPA [#permalink]
01 Feb 2010, 03:50
not sure if my GMAT counts as "Low" and not sure if Darden counts as "Top B-School" but...
GMAT: 660 on application, 40/40. i've retaken it for round 2 to 730, but as far as darden was concerned, i was at 660. School: Darden, R1. BG: MNC employee then Entrepreneur. Age at Matric: 29. Nationality: Filipino.
i should note that last year, with my 660, I got dinged for my 3 schools: HBS (no interview), Wharton (no interview) and Kellogg (w/interview)...
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools w/ Low GMAT or Low GPA [#permalink]
01 Feb 2010, 07:31
My gmat score was below 600, however many people encourage me to apply anyway because of my profile. Female (latin america) 27 years old 4 years of work experience (3 years leading teams) 3 years of volunteer experience Undergrad studies: the best and largest university of my country (business degree) I applied to (2nd round): Boston University (submitted) Boston College (submitted) Babson College (submitted) George Washington University (submitted) University of Illinois (submitted) All of these business school have an average gmat score slightly above 600. According to a study of manhattan gmat, south america gmat takers obtain a score considerably lower than american, european and indian takers. In addition, woman average score (average 500) is also lower than men. Do you think I have chances???
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools w/ Low GMAT or Low GPA [#permalink]
01 Feb 2010, 09:18
aa5786 wrote: JoeKaneForHeisman wrote: How did you initiate this conversation and what is your standard explanation? Looks like you and I are in similar situations.
Thanks! I was on campus and made an appointment to discuss my application. As for the explanation, is pretty simple...I took the GMAT a bunch of times and was not able to crack it. Everyone has weaknesses and GMAT math happens to be one of mine. With that said, I have a pretty quant heavy job, such as projects x, y, z and am confident I can meet the quant rigors of the program...but if there is any additional classes/tests that the admin committee would like me to take, I am happy to do so. So what is your situation? Interesting. So you just made an appointment to point out some aspects of your application? That's a pretty good idea. My situation is fairly similar to yours. I work in project finance but also couldn't conquer the math for some reason. I addressed in optional essays but your approach seems more proactive.
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools w/ Low GMAT or Low GPA [#permalink]
07 Feb 2010, 09:13
pochcc wrote: not sure if my GMAT counts as "Low" and not sure if Darden counts as "Top B-School" but...
GMAT: 660 on application, 40/40. i've retaken it for round 2 to 730, but as far as darden was concerned, i was at 660. School: Darden, R1. BG: MNC employee then Entrepreneur. Age at Matric: 29. Nationality: Filipino.
i should note that last year, with my 660, I got dinged for my 3 schools: HBS (no interview), Wharton (no interview) and Kellogg (w/interview)... I'd consider Darden a top.
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools w/ Low GMAT or Low GPA [#permalink]
07 Feb 2010, 09:35
How do they factor athletics into the low GPA equation? IF you had a low GPA but were also playing football do they take that into consideration?
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07 Feb 2010, 10:42
dcdevil wrote: How do they factor athletics into the low GPA equation? IF you had a low GPA but were also playing football do they take that into consideration? I'm guessing athletics figure below full-time work, and even heavy part-time work, as excuses for a low GPA, but certainly above drunken stupor. If you were a captain of a team, or levered that into a leading position in a work team (something that shows leadership) it can probably help build your profile.
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools w/ Low GMAT or Low GPA [#permalink]
07 Feb 2010, 10:46
carayae wrote: My gmat score was below 600, however many people encourage me to apply anyway because of my profile. Female (latin america) 27 years old 4 years of work experience (3 years leading teams) 3 years of volunteer experience Undergrad studies: the best and largest university of my country (business degree) I applied to (2nd round): Boston University (submitted) Boston College (submitted) Babson College (submitted) George Washington University (submitted) University of Illinois (submitted) All of these business school have an average gmat score slightly above 600. According to a study of manhattan gmat, south america gmat takers obtain a score considerably lower than american, european and indian takers. In addition, woman average score (average 500) is also lower than men. Do you think I have chances??? I think you have a chance at all three Boston schools if your work experience is strong. Don't know anything about the others.
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools w/ Low GMAT or Low GPA [#permalink]
09 Feb 2010, 11:35
TheDream wrote: Hey everyone ! I've had my eye on this thread for a while now, but was waiting to post until I was actually admitted somewhere. Well, now that that dream has come true, here we go: GMAT: 680 GPA: Not too sure. Went to a Canadian university that didn't use the GPA system, but if I were to go by what some of the online calculators tell me, its somewhere between a 2.0 and 3.0 Education: B.Eng from a top Canadian university Current age: 28 Nationality: Canadian - Indian Work Experience: 1 year in a Bus. Analyst role at a major bank, 4 years as an engineer/strategist at a major telecoms company I was dumbstruck when I was my GMAT score. I spent many weeks agonizing and debating over whether to retake it or not. I never ended up doing it though, because the majority of advice I got indicated that I should spend more time focusing on my essays. And boy, did I ever focus. Putting modesty aside for a second, I never though that I could be capable of producing such good written work ! So if you take anything away from this post, let it be: FOCUS ON YOUR ESSAYS ! I applied to three schools in R1: Kellogg, London Business School, and Darden. I didn't get in at the first two, but did get in to Darden, which Im very happy with. I was selected for an interview at LBS, but felt that the interview was actually my downfall. I dont think I spent enough time knowing my story, and it didnt help that the interview was the week I got back from a 3 week Spanish vacation  .... but those are the breaks ! About a year ago, I was a nervous wreck because I thought I didnt have a chance without a 700+/3.5 to back me up. Im happy to report otherwise, and would love to answer any questions. Cheers, and good luck ! Congrats, TheDream! I'm pleased that your story refutes theories on "if you don't have 700+ on your GMAT, don't even think of applying to schools". I'm sure you'll have a great time at Darden; good luck!
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