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Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools w/ Low GMAT or Low GPA [#permalink] New post 17 Dec 2008, 23:14
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I saw another thread about admission results and profile sharing here on this forum. All of the profiles have very good GMAT scores. It seems very discouraging for those who are applying to top B-schools with low GMAT scores. If you've been admitted to top B-schools with a GMAT score not higher than 650, please share your profile with us. I hope your profiles can give some encouragement to those who are beaten by the GMAT. :cry: :cry: :cry:
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GMAT: 6XX (Q:XX, V:XX, AWA:X)
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Business Schools (Admitted):
Business Schools (Applied but Dinged):

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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools with Low GMAT Score [#permalink] New post 18 Dec 2008, 08:49
This is a great idea. Thanks, yhc.
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools with Low GMAT Score [#permalink] New post 18 Dec 2008, 10:26
Good one to see the stats.
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools with Low GMAT Score [#permalink] New post 18 Dec 2008, 11:09
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can we have one with low GPA also? Soni would be the success story.
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools with Low GMAT Score [#permalink] New post 18 Dec 2008, 11:37
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Great idea, it seems that only 700+ are getting into top schools. Wondering if anyone is gonna post something here
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools with Low GMAT Score [#permalink] New post 18 Dec 2008, 16:31
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I hope to be one of the success stories with a 660..... but I don't think it's going to happen :x

After browsing this board and looking at some friends, I'm pretty sure I overestimated my chances. Guess I'll be taking the gmat again for the 7th time and applying next year. That is, if I can manage to stay employed. Oh boy. Credit crunchtastic!

Good luck to you guys!
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools with Low GMAT Score [#permalink] New post 18 Dec 2008, 18:51
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I know someone who's WL at Booth it that helps... probably reading this right now!
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools with Low GMAT Score [#permalink] New post 19 Dec 2008, 09:51
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Guys, dont be dissappointed with a low GMAT/GPA. The stats on these forums are lil skewed in anycase. All u need to do is to check the 80 percentile ranges from top business schools and u ll know what I am talking about.

having said that, pay a lot of attention to your essays and come up with a clear career vision. Also, train your recommenders so that u have a very coherent story to present to adcom. Also, broaden your school choices and apply in a diversified mix.

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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools with Low GMAT Score [#permalink] New post 20 Dec 2008, 22:01
This thread has been here for several days, but no profiles have been posted. Does that mean people with a low GMAT score are destined to be denied? :cry:
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools with Low GMAT Score [#permalink] New post 20 Dec 2008, 22:13
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This thread has been here for several days, but no profiles have been posted. Does that mean people with a low GMAT score are destined to be denied? :cry:


Right, I was just about to ask the same thing.
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I've said it many times, and received negative comments many many times, but I'll say it again. People admitted with GMAT scores more than 20-30 points below the median for a given school are either underrepresented minorities or have some other easily identifiable unique factors that support their candidacy. People without such factors and not from such underrepresented groups can rely on little more than pure luck if their scores are more than 30 points below the average.
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools with Low GMAT Score [#permalink] New post 23 Dec 2008, 01:35
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I've said it many times, and received negative comments many many times, but I'll say it again. People admitted with GMAT scores more than 20-30 points below the median for a given school are either underrepresented minorities or have some other easily identifiable unique factors that support their candidacy. People without such factors and not from such underrepresented groups can rely on little more than pure luck if their scores are more than 30 points below the average.

Pelihu,

Although I don't like the bitter truth stated in your posts, you are usualy right (or should I say "almost always"). Ryguy904 defined a simple formula couple of months ago:

R2 + GMAT<700 = Ding

"We are using the GMAT as an indicator of an academic performance in the first year of study". Probably true, but is that everything? The awfull truth is that adcoms are using lower GMAT as a negative counterweight to all accomplisments stated in resume. Red flag will be raised next to virtually every endevour of an applicant.

"Led various teams on significant projects..." - Yeah, but why can't you score 650 on GMAT then?
"Improved that, initiated this..." - Yeah, but why can't you score 650 on GMAT then?
"Willing to learn, hard working, intelligent..." - (especially here) Yeah, but why can't you score 650 on GMAT then?
"Team player, natural born leader, best in the class, best of the best..." - Yeah, but why can't you score 650 on GMAT then?
"Work under pressure, meeting tight deadlines..." - Yeah, but you can't handle the pressure of the exam and score 650 on GMAT...

I know I will be exposed to the flood of negative reactions for what I've said overhere, but that's the way it goes.
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools with Low GMAT Score [#permalink] New post 23 Dec 2008, 07:00
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I've said it many times, and received negative comments many many times, but I'll say it again. People admitted with GMAT scores more than 20-30 points below the median for a given school are either underrepresented minorities or have some other easily identifiable unique factors that support their candidacy. People without such factors and not from such underrepresented groups can rely on little more than pure luck if their scores are more than 30 points below the average.


I have to agree with this assessment.

We're talking about top programs here. It's difficult enough for many of us to even get admit to one!

Sure, there are exceptions, but they are outliers.

One admissions consultant I've talked to once said:
"The 80 percentile GMAT range posted in the class profile? Unless you are an african american, native american, hispanic, or female - don't bother look at the lower end of that range."

I didn't believe that person at first, but more and more that consultant sounds right.
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GMAT: 670 (Q:50, V:30, AWA:4)
University attended: ENSAM (French top leading engineering school)
Major(s): Mechanical engineering
GPA / Honours:N/A
Nationality: French / Congo
Age: (at matriculation) 31
Gender: Male
Work Experience: 6 / Consulting / Associate
Extra-curricular Activities: Many
Community Services: Many

Business Schools (Admitted): Columbia in the ED
Business Schools (Applied but Dinged):

Hope this gives hope :-D
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools with Low GMAT Score [#permalink] New post 24 Dec 2008, 05:07
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GMAT: 670 (Q:50, V:30, AWA:4)
University attended: ENSAM (French top leading engineering school)
Major(s): Mechanical engineering
GPA / Honours:N/A
Nationality: French / Congo <-- :) :twisted:
Age: (at matriculation) 31
Gender: Male
Work Experience: 6 / Consulting / Associate
Extra-curricular Activities: Many
Community Services: Many

Business Schools (Admitted): Columbia in the ED
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools with Low GMAT Score [#permalink] New post 24 Dec 2008, 06:33
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I've said it many times, and received negative comments many many times, but I'll say it again. People admitted with GMAT scores more than 20-30 points below the median for a given school are either underrepresented minorities or have some other easily identifiable unique factors that support their candidacy. People without such factors and not from such underrepresented groups can rely on little more than pure luck if their scores are more than 30 points below the average.


I have to agree with this assessment.

We're talking about top programs here. It's difficult enough for many of us to even get admit to one!

Sure, there are exceptions, but they are outliers.

One admissions consultant I've talked to once said:
"The 80 percentile GMAT range posted in the class profile? Unless you are an african american, native american, hispanic, or female - don't bother look at the lower end of that range."

I didn't believe that person at first, but more and more that consultant sounds right.


I think also coming from an underepresented work experience background can be added to that.
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools with Low GMAT Score [#permalink] New post 24 Dec 2008, 08:07
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GMAT: 670 (Q:50, V:30, AWA:4)
University attended: ENSAM (French top leading engineering school)
Major(s): Mechanical engineering
GPA / Honours:N/A
Nationality: French / Congo
Age: (at matriculation) 31
Gender: Male
Work Experience: 6 / Consulting / Associate
Extra-curricular Activities: Many
Community Services: Many

Business Schools (Admitted): Columbia in the ED
Business Schools (Applied but Dinged):

Hope this gives hope :-D


Interesting post, even though I think your GMAT score is actually very strong because u r not expected to score high in verbal as non-native speaker! Q50 says that u r very strong in math (but u r ingenieur right!) Overall 670 is a competitive score...

Wondering if we r gonna see something like white-american-male or IT-indian-male with 610 accepted in any of the top schools
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Here is a post that I came across online from a guy who had a 610 GMAT, got wait-listed at Cornell and eventually admitted.

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Ok guys, here's what I did. Lol maybe I shouldn't have picked a username that's my FIRST NAME, since there goes all anonymity haha.

I applied to Tuck (darmouth), Columbia, Tulane, Rice, and Cornell. But please keep in mind that I applied VERY LATE--at or after the last de@d lines for all of these schools. I do not suggest you do this--almost all of the seats are filled up by this time. I waited this long because I wanted more time to prepare for my GMAT, but in the end my score didn't go up much and packaging the rest of your application is much more important. I was rejected from Columbia and Dartmouth outright--this could be because of my GMAT, or it could be because of how late I applied. In the case of Tuck, they invite everyone to come interview beforehand and I never did that, so this could have hurt my case there too.

You have to treat your application like a marketing project. How will you market yourself? What are you trying to draw attention to? Don't just do the prototypical ap and hope they'll notice your strengths--draw attention to them, cleverly. I had a 2-prong strategy with my applications: use my essays to not necessarily sell them, but at least generate enough curiosity to nab an interview. Then use the interview to sell them. In the case of Johnson, they only allow 3 essays with 400 word counts, so this was difficult. They are not looking for flowery writing--they want to see what you can do in this limited space. It's like working on a commercial during the superbowl--you have a 30 second time slot to pitch to your market. How are you going to do it?

I was kind of a troubled kid when I was younger, so I used my optional essay to paint a very dramatic picture of that, but then used it to show how far I've come. When you do things like this, DO NOT MAKE EXCUSES, and ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY for anything in your past. Then show how it made you a stronger person. You have to be yourself.

What helped me was a book called "How to get into Top MBA programs". There are a million sample essays in the back. The reason this is helpful is that you can see what EVERYONE else that is successful does--and then NOT do it. If you do this, you won't stand out, and if you have a lower GMAT score, you need to stand out on something else. Avoid the wording everyone uses, cliche phrases like "to gain broader perspective" or "I want to hone my skills". Everyone says things like that. Use your essays to really show them a little bit of yourself.

Use your personal unique experiences to show why you're a different candidate. You don't have to show you're better than everyone else--just show what's different about you. MBA Admissions teams want to build diverse classes and the more unique strenghts you bring, the more forgiving they will be if you aren't up to par on the conventional ones.

Lastly, apply a little psychology. Think about this from the admissions committee's perspective. They have to read thousands of essays on people trying to sell themselves. They get bored of all of the people bragging about the same thing. If you can hit an emotional cord with them, or make them smile or best of all laugh out loud, you've instantly made yourself stand out. But don't be fake or cheesy. Just be natural. Think about if you had to read a million essays on virtually the same thing. What would you appreciate? What would entertain you? What qualities would you look for if someone didn't have the highest GMAT or GPA?

An article that I highly suggest was written by a senior admissions rep at Virginia. Granted he doesn't work in MBA admissions, but I think this is great advice for ANY admissions essay-writing:

http://www.virginia.edu/undergradadmiss ... essay.html

One last note. I didn't get right in, I was waitlisted. Along with over 170 other people. Now I had to stand out more than ever before. In the case of Johnson, they accept updates on your grades, goals, recommendations, whatever. I knew everyone would do this--but I had to do it creatively. So I made them a brochure on why they should accept me, with pictures and such. It was just something different for them. I don't suggest everyone do this--now that it's already been done. But the point is, think of something creative and personal to do that's not flamboyantly over the top.

I also got into Tulane with a scholarship. You'll find that in general some sschools appreciate creativity and unique experiences more than others. MBA programs really are about fit. Do your research and see which ones jive best with your personality. Another one I interviewed at was Rice--and honestly, that was a terrible experience for me. I had a student interviewer, and we didn't connect at all. The interview was awkward and uncomfortable, while my interviews at Tulane and Johnson were conversational and full of laughs. The program at Rice seemed Rigid, the students seemed conservative, and most of their candidates work in the oil industry. That's the antithesis of me: a little entrepreneur, an environmentalist, and a huge liberal. How well you connect with other students is important, and this comes across in your interview.

On a side note, the Rice application process was generally a miserable experience. They don't respond to emails, they're rude on the phone, and they're disorganized. When you go to their info sessions the adcom says feel free to call but if you do you'll never get past the front desk. They didn't even give me a decision until over a week after the date they were supposed to. Johnson, on the other hand, was amazingly responsive, very efficient, and extremely warm and approachable. Tulane was a great experience too. I highly recommend you tailor the schools you're applying to in light of what your strengths and goals are and not just look at names and rankings. This will give you much more to say in your essays and interviews.

This whole MBA process has been a HUGE learning experience for me. I didn't even tell my parents I applied at first because my dad was so convinced I didn't have a chance. But I wanted to take a chance, and along the road I found so many people that supported and believed in me. I've never felt more confident about a decision I've made in life. I really feel like the adcom at Johnson got to know me personally and accepted me for that, and that's a great feeling. It shouldn't have to be about them taking you because of some frosted image you put on. I encourage all of you to think about what's uniquely positive about you, and then sell it. I'll be happy to answer any other questions you have.

Good luck everybody!!

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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools with Low GMAT Score [#permalink] New post 30 Dec 2008, 21:37
Found a few more interesting profiles. First - 640 and got into Duke. Second - friend got 640 and got into Stanford. These are from the beatthegmat forums.

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I am a 24 year old white female, and I majored in Biochemistry, Biophysics and Molecular Biology. I had a 3.40 undergraduate GPA, and then I got a certificate in Biochemistry where my GPA was 3.89.
My GMAT was 640 (35V/44Q, 6 Analytical Writing)

I only have 1.5 years of work experience (which I think proves quality is better than quantity) at the National Institutes of Health where I got a prestigious fellowship to work on the AIDS virus. I was elected the Fellow-Chair of my institute at the NIH which gives me some management experience.

I think what really got me in were my letters of recommendations which were amazing, and then my essays with an emphasis on how everything I have done thus far in health care will enable me to be successful in the Health Sector Management Concentration which I plan to pursue.

I also tried to set myself apart from other applicants in my essays by talking about being an Academic All American in Snowboarding which I was very dedicated to in College.

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Just found out a friend of mine was accepted at Stanford with a 640 GMAT. He was on the wait-list for a while but has now been accepted. He was also accepted first round into LBS.

His background is not extraordinary - worked for six years at a top 100 company (mining sector) in Australia, progression rate normal, but had fantastic references. He's also a great writer, so I'm guessing his essays were good.

I also heard (not sure whether this is true) that six people with an 800 GMAT score applied to Stanford last year, and all were rejected.
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Re: Profiles - Admitted to Top B-Schools with Low GMAT Score [#permalink] New post 31 Dec 2008, 00:02
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Leonard C:

Just found out a friend of mine was accepted at Stanford with a 640 GMAT. He was on the wait-list for a while but has now been accepted. He was also accepted first round into LBS.

His background is not extraordinary - worked for six years at a top 100 company (mining sector) in Australia, progression rate normal, but had fantastic references. He's also a great writer, so I'm guessing his essays were good.

I also heard (not sure whether this is true) that six people with an 800 GMAT score applied to Stanford last year, and all were rejected.
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Never underestimate the power of references from people-in-the-know for the school.

I knew a person who got into Stanford with 680 GMAT and typical workexp ( I worked in same company but departments were different) but reco from a BIG person in indian industry who is kind of known as high level intellectual ( The person had good educational background and all, and I mentioned this success story before in Gmatclub and was ridiculed).
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