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Re: Proponents of relaxations that Censorship Board allow [#permalink] New post 14 Aug 2014, 07:26
Up up up because I am still confused why in D plural verb "allow" goes with plural noun "relaxations" but not singular noun "censorship board" since the relative clause is "that Censorship Board allow.....".

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Re: Proponents of relaxations that Censorship Board allow [#permalink] New post 14 Aug 2014, 22:07
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I like your approach ;however, when i read the modifying clause it is so freaking convoluted that i just have to eliminate on the basic of them. I also notice that in answer choices that replace pronoun with the actual noun are often the correct answer choice. Hence in my mind D wins because of that.
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I used a similar approach. Them is ambiguous, so that takes out 3 options. D is the concise and has a clearer meaning
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Re: Proponents of relaxations that Censorship Board allow [#permalink] New post 17 Aug 2014, 20:49
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BTW Board is plural so C go out immediately


Carcass.

Please excuse my jumping in.

I think The censorship board is singular, not plural. e.g. the censorship board of Australia.
The plural version of "the board" is "the Boards".

For instance:
(1) The board of directors is meeting this afternoon ==> means directors server for only 1 board in a company.
(2) Boards of directors generally set broad corporate policy. ==> means directors serve on a number of different boards of directors.

Please correct if I'm wrong.


Hi pqhai,

You are correct, "board" is singular. Carcass, Answer choice (C) is incorrect because of the ambiguous pronoun "them" and the subject-verb agreement error in which the singular verb "allows" does not agree with the plural "relaxations". Moreover, "proponents of relaxations" is not parallel with "critics denounce"

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Board plural? "Allow" related to "relaxations" and not to the board? WRONG!
Board is singular, but we shouldn't use "allows" because this sentences is in subjunctive mood. The verb "propose", when used as a transitive verb (that is, it needs an object) uses the subjunctive mood, which requires the verb to be in bare form.
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Re: Proponents of relaxations that Censorship Board allow [#permalink] New post 17 Aug 2014, 22:17
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Board plural? "Allow" related to "relaxations" and not to the board? WRONG!
Board is singular, but we shouldn't use "allows" because this sentences is in subjunctive mood. The verb "propose", when used as a transitive verb (that is, it needs an object) uses the subjunctive mood, which requires the verb to be in bare form.



ohhh, it's true! I've got it!!! ;) Subjunctive!! why didn't I remember "propose" is subjunctive :))

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mespinosa3@live.com wrote:

Board plural? "Allow" related to "relaxations" and not to the board? WRONG!
Board is singular, but we shouldn't use "allows" because this sentences is in subjunctive mood. The verb "propose", when used as a transitive verb (that is, it needs an object) uses the subjunctive mood, which requires the verb to be in bare form.



ohhh, it's true! I've got it!!! ;) Subjunctive!! why didn't I remember "propose" is subjunctive :))

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Hi Lucy,

I'm not sure where is the word "propose" in the sentence.
I don't think it's about subjunctive here; here is my reasoning -

The money that he gave me yesterdayis all spent.
The vouchers that he/they gifted me yesterdayare all used. -> Here 'are' is referring to 'vouchers' not 'he/they'

Thus, in original sentence, 'that' is acting as an essential modifier.
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Re: Proponents of relaxations that Censorship Board allow [#permalink] New post 28 Aug 2014, 01:34
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ohhh, it's true! I've got it!!! ;) Subjunctive!! why didn't I remember "propose" is subjunctive :))

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Hi Lucy,

I'm not sure where is the word "propose" in the sentence.
I don't think it's about subjunctive here; here is my reasoning -

The money that he gave me yesterdayis all spent.
The vouchers that he/they gifted me yesterdayare all used. -> Here 'are' is referring to 'vouchers' not 'he/they'

Thus, in original sentence, 'that' is acting as an essential modifier.
Hope it helps !


Hi MKS,
Sorry, my bad. Indeed, you're right and you corrected me ;) I have just re-read the correct sentence and find that the structure of this sentence is "A consider X Y". Then, back to my original question: Why is the verb "allow" not in the form "allows"? As far as I know, "board" is collective noun --> "allows" should be used.

Proponents consider relaxations that Censorship Board allow production houses each year to provide the producers enough space to make creative pieces of work vital for the economic growth of the entertainment industry while critics denounce the relaxations as a leeway that increases the revenue of the production houses but damages the moral character of the children.
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Why is the verb "allow" not in the form "allows"? As far as I know, "board" is collective noun --> "allows" should be used.


Hi Lucy,
That is a very nice question !
I used to think same way; however, Collective nouns DON'T follow singularity all the times.

http://www.chompchomp.com/terms/collectivenoun.htm

https://www.englishclub.com/grammar/sub ... -nouns.htm

http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/educat ... tive-nouns

Hope it helps !
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Proponents of relaxations that Censorship Board allow [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2014, 13:20
Clearly, subject is "Censorship board",which is singular, and we need singular verb with it.

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Re: Proponents of relaxations that Censorship Board allow [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2014, 01:17
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Clearly, subject is "Censorship board",which is singular, and we need singular verb with it.


Hi Piyush,

Does that mean Collective nouns can be plural sometimes, as shown in those links , But Not on the GMAT ?

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Re: Proponents of relaxations that Censorship Board allow [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2014, 12:46
MKS wrote:
PiyushK wrote:
Clearly, subject is "Censorship board",which is singular, and we need singular verb with it.


Hi Piyush,

Does that mean Collective nouns can be plural sometimes, as shown in those links , But Not on the GMAT ?

Thanks in advance.


Hi MKS,

Refer MGMAT SC guide chapter 3, collective nouns: almost always singular, at page 44.

In GMAT collective nouns are almost always singular. We can take a collective noun plural if we want to refer individual members in that collection; In official question you will get proper hints in non-underlined portion such as plural pronoun to help identify nature of noun.
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Re: Proponents of relaxations that Censorship Board allow [#permalink] New post 16 Sep 2014, 02:54
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BTW Board is plural so C go out immediately


Carcass.

Please excuse my jumping in.

I think The censorship board is singular, not plural. e.g. the censorship board of Australia.
The plural version of "the board" is "the Boards".

For instance:
(1) The board of directors is meeting this afternoon ==> means directors server for only 1 board in a company.
(2) Boards of directors generally set broad corporate policy. ==> means directors serve on a number of different boards of directors.

Please correct if I'm wrong.


Hi pqhai,

You are correct, "board" is singular. Carcass, Answer choice (C) is incorrect because of the ambiguous pronoun "them" and the subject-verb agreement error in which the singular verb "allows" does not agree with the plural "relaxations". Moreover, "proponents of relaxations" is not parallel with "critics denounce"

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Hi, I am confused about the subject- verb agreement in this question. As per above response, the verb "allow" has to be agreed to "relaxations", however, even after reading the question multiple times, I understand that it is the "board" which is allowing relaxations to the production houses, and so "allow" should agree to "board" and not to relaxations. E.g.if I tweak the sentence a little to: The Censorship Board allows relaxations to the production houses, here it sounds fine, ain't it?

Initially, I thought there is a manufacturing defect in the question, but now I am confused about my own understanding. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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Re: Proponents of relaxations that Censorship Board allow [#permalink] New post 21 Sep 2014, 07:18
Vercules wrote:
good discussion guys, updated the post with OA nd OE

Proponents of relaxations that Censorship Board allow production houses to each year to provide them enough space to make creative piece of works consider them vital for the economic growth of the entertainment industry while critics denounce the relaxations as a leeway that increases the revenue of the production houses but damages the moral character of the children.

Do not go by the wordiness of this question. If you are able to identify the grammatical construction the question becomes pretty straightforward.

(A) Proponents of relaxations that Censorship Board allow production houses each year to provide them enough space to make creative pieces of work consider them vital for the economic growth of the entertainment industry

The pronoun "them" in the phrase "provide them enough …" clearly refers to "production houses," the immediately preceding plural noun. However, the pronoun "them" is used again in the phrase "consider them vital ….,"; in this usage its antecedent is unclear. “them” should logically refer to the "relaxations" but based on its position in the sentence it could also refer to “production houses”.

(B) Proponents consider relaxations that Censorship Board allow production houses each year to provide them enough space to make creative piece of works to be vital for the economic growth of the entertainment industry.

In placing "consider" at the beginning of the sentence, this choice is able to avoid a second use of the pronoun "them," correcting the pronoun issue. However, the use of "to be" in this context is unidiomatic. The proper idiom is "consider x y" not "consider x to be y." In this case "consider tax breaks . . . vital tools" is unidiomatic and thus incorrect.

(C) Proponents of relaxations that Censorship Board allows production houses each year to provide them enough space to make creative pieces of work consider them vital for the economic growth of the entertainment industry

This choice does not solve the pronoun problem from the original sentence. Moreover it creates another error by using the singular verb “allows” for the plural noun “relaxations”.

(D) Proponents consider relaxations that Censorship Board allow production houses each year to provide the producers enough space to make creative pieces of work vital for the economic growth of the entertainment industry

CORRECT. In placing "consider" at the beginning of the sentence, this choice is able to avoid a second use of the pronoun "them," correcting the pronoun issue. It does not contain any other awkward or wordy construction.

(E) Proponents of relaxations that Censorship Board allow production houses each year to provide them enough space to make creative pieces of work consider the relaxations to be vital for the economic growth of the entertainment industry

This choice avoids any pronoun ambiguity by replacing the second "them" in the original sentence with the use of "relaxations" after “consider.” However, the repetition of "relaxations" makes this choice somewhat wordy. A more apparent error is the use of "to be", which makes the construction “consider X to be Y” incorrect. Proper idiom is “consider X Y.”



Hello,

I am really not able to understand what is wrong with the verb "allows" in C?
The subject is Board and not relaxations and hence the verb should be in agreement with Board.
If we consider Relaxations the subject, then the sentence doesn't make sense.
IMO, the phrase "that Censorship Board allows production houses..." modifies Relaxations. So, there is no way Relaxations could be the subject.
Please explain.
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Re: Proponents of relaxations that Censorship Board allow [#permalink] New post 11 Oct 2014, 22:43
I find this question faulty, Board is always singular and it must take a singular verb. That's a primary rule of GMAT English. All 4 answer choices should be ruled out.

What's the source of the question ?
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Re: Proponents of relaxations that Censorship Board allow [#permalink] New post 12 Oct 2014, 07:58
Hi All,

I will start my first post here today,

So 1) To consider smith ( to be) adj - " to" is OPTIONAL
2) provide "them" .. Consider "them" - confusing so INCORRECT so A, C gone
3) E) proponent of "relaxations" .. consider "relaxations" UNNECESSARILY WORDY, AWKWAD
4) Only difference between B and D is " them" and "the producers". " the producers" is preferred here as it makes the sentence more clear and less confusing

Hence, D is the best choice
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Re: Proponents of relaxations that Censorship Board allow [#permalink] New post 14 Oct 2014, 06:09
Ans D
1) All the ans choices except D has pronoun ambiguity for "them"
2) Many creative pieces of work is the right word not "many creative piece of works"
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The one about Relaxation that Censorhip Board... [#permalink] New post 18 Jan 2015, 01:34
Proponents of relaxations that Censorship Board allow production houses to each year to provide them enough space to make creative piece of works consider them vital for the economic growth of the entertainment industry while critics denounce the relaxations as a leeway that increases the revenue of the production houses but damages the moral character of the children.

A) Proponents of relaxations that Censorship Board allow production houses each year to provide them enough space to make creative pieces of work consider them vital for the economic growth of the entertainment industry
B) Proponents consider relaxations that Censorship Board allow production houses each year to provide them enough space to make creative piece of works to be vital for the economic growth of the entertainment industry.
C) Proponents of relaxations that Censorship Board allows production houses each year to provide them enough space to make creative pieces of work consider them vital for the economic growth of the entertainment industry
D) Proponents consider relaxations that Censorship Board allow production houses each year to provide the producers enough space to make creative pieces of work vital for the economic growth of the entertainment industry
E) Proponents of relaxations that Censorship Board allow production houses each year to provide them enough space to make creative pieces of work consider the relaxations to be vital for the economic growth of the entertainment industry




My thoughts:

B and D both look promising given parallel constructions "Proponents consider... while critics denounce..."

I chose C for a very bad reason, which is that I thought the verb "allows" was the only correct one following the singular noun "Censoring Board." I am really confused here as to which noun the verb could be referring to. I feel the sentence could be rearranged to read "The Censoring Board allows relaxations for production houses..." However, if the clause is to take relaxations as its noun, I honestly feel like it should read "The relaxations of/from the Censoring Board allow production houses blah blah blah...." But in the stem, as it is written, "... relaxations that Censoring Board allow production houses..." is very unclear to me. Relaxations what? Relaxations that? That Censoring Board? That Censoring Board what? This even makes it sound like "that" is introducing a new relative clause which takes on Censoring Board as the subject, which is precisely why I chose C... If it completed the thought as "... relaxations that [the] Censoring Board proposed allow production houses..." then I would have no complaint whatsoever because the relative clause ends with "proposed" and we know precisely what "allow" is referring to. But currently I just really don't understand what this relative clause is trying to accomplish, or how it's trying to do so.

Can someone come up with another analogous sentence to show me my error?
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Proponents of relaxations that Censorship Board allow production houses to each year to provide them enough space to make creative piece of works consider them vital for the economic growth of the entertainment industry while critics denounce the relaxations as a leeway that increases the revenue of the production houses but damages the moral character of the children.

A) Proponents of relaxations that Censorship Board allow production houses each year to provide them enough space to make creative pieces of work consider them vital for the economic growth of the entertainment industry
B) Proponents consider relaxations that Censorship Board allow production houses each year to provide them enough space to make creative piece of works to be vital for the economic growth of the entertainment industry.
C) Proponents of relaxations that Censorship Board allows production houses each year to provide them enough space to make creative pieces of work consider them vital for the economic growth of the entertainment industry
D) Proponents consider relaxations that Censorship Board allow production houses each year to provide the producers enough space to make creative pieces of work vital for the economic growth of the entertainment industry
E) Proponents of relaxations that Censorship Board allow production houses each year to provide them enough space to make creative pieces of work consider the relaxations to be vital for the economic growth of the entertainment industry




My thoughts:

B and D both look promising given parallel constructions "Proponents consider... while critics denounce..."

I chose C for a very bad reason, which is that I thought the verb "allows" was the only correct one following the singular noun "Censoring Board." I am really confused here as to which noun the verb could be referring to. I feel the sentence could be rearranged to read "The Censoring Board allows relaxations for production houses..." However, if the clause is to take relaxations as its noun, I honestly feel like it should read "The relaxations of/from the Censoring Board allow production houses blah blah blah...." But in the stem, as it is written, "... relaxations that Censoring Board allow production houses..." is very unclear to me. Relaxations what? Relaxations that? That Censoring Board? That Censoring Board what? This even makes it sound like "that" is introducing a new relative clause which takes on Censoring Board as the subject, which is precisely why I chose C... If it completed the thought as "... relaxations that [the] Censoring Board proposed allow production houses..." then I would have no complaint whatsoever because the relative clause ends with "proposed" and we know precisely what "allow" is referring to. But currently I just really don't understand what this relative clause is trying to accomplish, or how it's trying to do so.

Can someone come up with another analogous sentence to show me my error?


Your question is so complicated that I could do 2 RC questions in the time I spent understanding it.

OK. Let me try- C
"Proponents of relaxations that Censorship Board allows"


Can be rasd as

Proponents blah blah that censor board allows

or as

Bla bla of relaxations that censor board allows

So the construction is ambiguous. It does not clearly tell us what the subject is. Which is why it is wrong.
Also, them is used twice but is inconsistent on what it refers to
Hope that helps.
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Proponents of relaxations that Censorship Board allow [#permalink] New post 19 Feb 2015, 04:30
am i the only one who is bugged by the fact that there is no "a" or "the" before "censorship board"? this ambiguity in the sentence structure is why i eliminated A-D and chose E instead.

"Proponents consider relaxations that Censorship Board allow production houses each year to provide the producers enough space to make creative pieces of work vital for the economic growth of the entertainment industry" just doesnt sound right or correct.

on the other hand if you add in "the": "Proponents consider relaxations that THE Censorship Board allow production houses each year to provide the producers enough space to make creative pieces of work vital for the economic growth of the entertainment industry", it sounds better and correct.

EDIT: in any case i think this is a poor question since all these sentences could be phrased in a much clearer and more concise way.
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