Find all School-related info fast with the new School-Specific MBA Forum

It is currently 19 May 2013, 20:43
Customize  |  Hide

PS Number property

  Question banks Downloads My Bookmarks Reviews  
Author Message
TAGS:
Manager
Manager
Joined: 02 Sep 2008
Posts: 104
Followers: 1

Kudos [?]: 7 [0], given: 1

PS Number property [#permalink] New post 01 Apr 2009, 02:27
00:00

Question Stats:

30% (01:51) correct 69% (00:55) wrong based on 2 sessions
20. If y ≠ 3 and 3x/y is a prime integer greater than 2, which of the following must be true?
Ⅰ. x = y
Ⅱ. y = 1
Ⅲ. x and y are prime integers.
(A) None
(B) Ⅰ only
(C) Ⅱonly
(D) Ⅲonly
(E) Ⅰand Ⅲ
Director
Director
User avatar
Joined: 04 Jan 2008
Posts: 925
Followers: 25

Kudos [?]: 91 [0], given: 14

GMAT Tests User
Re: Number property........... [#permalink] New post 01 Apr 2009, 02:47
good Q
Prime Integers are 2,3,5,7,11,13,............
IMO C

See, 3x/y is a prime integer greater than 2 say 3

hence That prime integer(3) will have 2 divisors-3 and x/y
hence x=y

is it from OG 12?


20. If y ≠ 3 and 3x/y is a prime integer greater than 2, which of the following must be true?
Ⅰ. x = y
Ⅱ. y = 1
Ⅲ. x and y are prime integers.
(A) None
(B) Ⅰ only
(C) Ⅱonly
(D) Ⅲonly
(E) Ⅰand Ⅲ
_________________

math-polygons-87336.html
competition-for-the-best-gmat-error-log-template-86232.html

Senior Manager
Senior Manager
User avatar
Joined: 19 Aug 2006
Posts: 261
Followers: 2

Kudos [?]: 5 [0], given: 0

GMAT Tests User
Re: Number property........... [#permalink] New post 01 Apr 2009, 16:56
I got A.

You can pick numbers that contradict all three statements.
What is the OA?
Current Student
Joined: 13 Jan 2009
Posts: 375
Location: India
Followers: 16

Kudos [?]: 42 [0], given: 1

GMAT Tests User
Re: ps Number property........... [#permalink] New post 02 Apr 2009, 15:44
A.

z=3x/y
for z to be prime number
x=10 y=6 I is not true

Y could be 1 where our question asks must be...

Prime number could be... with x/y 3/3, 15/15
Intern
Intern
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Posts: 18
Followers: 0

Kudos [?]: 0 [0], given: 0

Re: ps Number property........... [#permalink] New post 02 Apr 2009, 23:33
My answer is B.

3x/y = 3*(x/y) <- prime number that is greater than 2.
if x and y are equal than the eqn becomes 3 * (1) = 3 (prime number greater than 2)

Since we are looking for an integer (all prime numbers are integers) and y != 3 than x must equal y.
VP
VP
User avatar
Joined: 05 Jul 2008
Posts: 1442
Followers: 28

Kudos [?]: 152 [0], given: 1

GMAT Tests User
Re: ps Number property........... [#permalink] New post 03 Apr 2009, 17:14
matrix777 wrote:
My answer is B.

3x/y = 3*(x/y) <- prime number that is greater than 2.
if x and y are equal than the eqn becomes 3 * (1) = 3 (prime number greater than 2)

Since we are looking for an integer (all prime numbers are integers) and y != 3 than x must equal y.



Initially I fell for it but take x=14 and y =6 3x/y = 7 which is still a prime and x ! = y

Hence B is not correct.
Senior Manager
Senior Manager
Joined: 01 Mar 2009
Posts: 375
Location: PDX
Followers: 5

Kudos [?]: 53 [0], given: 24

GMAT Tests User
Re: ps Number property........... [#permalink] New post 06 Apr 2009, 17:42
The answer is A - Other than picking numbers, is there any option here ? I spent more than 2 minutes on this and fell for the wrong answer.

-pradeep
_________________

In the land of the night, the chariot of the sun is drawn by the grateful dead

Intern
Intern
Joined: 09 Nov 2008
Posts: 29
Followers: 0

Kudos [?]: 1 [0], given: 3

GMAT ToolKit User
Re: ps Number property........... [#permalink] New post 08 Apr 2009, 05:36
take x=10 and y=6 and hence the answer is A.
Director
Director
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
Posts: 563
Followers: 2

Kudos [?]: 21 [0], given: 2

GMAT Tests User
Re: ps Number property........... [#permalink] New post 07 May 2009, 21:22
Ans must be B

3x/y and if x=y then ans is 3 and 3 is prime number, which is greater than 2. so ans must be B. Please post OA.
Intern
Intern
Joined: 21 Jul 2009
Posts: 11
Followers: 0

Kudos [?]: 2 [0], given: 1

Re: PS Number property [#permalink] New post 12 Oct 2009, 08:38
(3x/y) is a prime integer greater than 2. which of the following must be true

Suppose P=3x/y

Possible values of P = 3,5,7,11 ......

Statement I:
If P = 3 , x=y TRUE
If P = 5, x=y FALSE <== Statement I is not always correct

Statement II:
If y=1 is TRUE => P = 3x
Since P is a prime number, it cannot be a multiple of 3

Statement III:
suppose x = 7 and y=5 , P= 21/5 => Not a prime number
You can fill some other values of x and y


Answer should be A
GMAT Club team member
User avatar
Joined: 02 Sep 2009
Posts: 11516
Followers: 1792

Kudos [?]: 9537 [0], given: 826

Re: PS Number property [#permalink] New post 12 Oct 2009, 11:49
If y ≠ 3 and 3x/y is a prime integer greater than 2, which of the following must be true?
Ⅰ. x = y
Ⅱ. y = 1
Ⅲ. x and y are prime integers.
(A) None
(B) Ⅰ only
(C) Ⅱonly
(D) Ⅲonly
(E) Ⅰand Ⅲ

Answer to this question is A. None of the statements (I,II,III) must be true.

This Q. can be solved by number plugging in a minute but it's quite tricky, so let's generalize it so to understand the concept, as there are many similar problems in GMAT:

Q. says that: y≠3 and that 3x/y IS a prime integer. Then it asks which of the statements MUST be true?

First note that it's not stated that x and y are integers or positive/negative.

Generally, the expression 3x/y is always prime in two cases:

When x is a multiple of prime and y is same multiple of three: x=pn and y=3n (p prime >2, n ANY number but 1), so we have 3(pn)/3n=p.

AND

When x=y ≠1 then 3x/y=3=p>2

Note that first formula also gives us the p=3 but only when x and y are the multiples of three (n ANY number but 1, can be -6 or 75 but not 1), thus it exclude all possibilities when x=y and ARE not multiples of three, for instance x=8 and y=8.

So from above it's not necessary x=y or y=1 or x,y to be primes.

Let's look:

I. x = y --> not necessarily true: x=25 y=15 3x/y=5

II. y=1 --> not necessarily true: x=8 y=8 3x/y=3

III. x and y are prime integers --> x=21 y=9 3x/y=7
_________________

PLEASE READ AND FOLLOW: 11 Rules for Posting!!!

RESOURCES: [GMAT MATH BOOK]; 1. Triangles; 2. Polygons; 3. Coordinate Geometry; 4. Factorials; 5. Circles; 6. Number Theory

COLLECTION OF QUESTIONS:
PS: 1. Tough and Tricky questions; 2. Hard questions; 3. Hard questions part 2; 4. Standard deviation; 5. Tough Problem Solving Questions With Solutions; 6. Probability and Combinations Questions With Solutions; 7 Tough and tricky exponents and roots questions; 8 12 Easy Pieces (or not?); 9 Bakers' Dozen; 10 Algebra set. NEW!!!

DS: 1. DS tough questions; 2. DS tough questions part 2; 3. DS tough questions part 3; 4. DS Standard deviation; 5. Inequalities; 6. 700+ GMAT Data Sufficiency Questions With Explanations; 7 Tough and tricky exponents and roots questions; 8 The Discreet Charm of the DS ; 9 Devil's Dozen!!!; 10 Number Properties set. NEW!!!


What are GMAT Club Tests?
25 extra-hard Quant Tests

Find out what's new at GMAT Club - latest features and updates

Manager
Manager
Joined: 12 Oct 2009
Posts: 119
Followers: 2

Kudos [?]: 10 [0], given: 3

Re: PS Number property [#permalink] New post 13 Oct 2009, 05:18
Bunuel wrote:
If y ≠ 3 and 3x/y is a prime integer greater than 2, which of the following must be true?
Ⅰ. x = y
Ⅱ. y = 1
Ⅲ. x and y are prime integers.
(A) None
(B) Ⅰ only
(C) Ⅱonly
(D) Ⅲonly
(E) Ⅰand Ⅲ

Answer to this question is A. None of the statements (I,II,III) must be true.

This Q. can be solved by number plugging in a minute but it's quite tricky, so let's generalize it so to understand the concept, as there are many similar problems in GMAT:

Q. says that: y≠3 and that 3x/y IS a prime integer. Then it asks which of the statements MUST be true?

First note that it's not stated that x and y are integers or positive/negative.

Generally, the expression 3x/y is always prime in two cases:

When x is a multiple of prime and y is same multiple of three: x=pn and y=3n (p prime >2, n ANY number but 1), so we have 3(pn)/3n=p.

AND

When x=y ≠1 then 3x/y=3=p>2

Note that first formula also gives us the p=3 but only when x and y are the multiples of three (n ANY number but 1, can be -6 or 75 but not 1), thus it exclude all possibilities when x=y and ARE not multiples of three, for instance x=8 and y=8.

So from above it's not necessary x=y or y=1 or x,y to be primes.

Let's look:

I. x = y --> not necessarily true: x=25 y=15 3x/y=5

II. y=1 --> not necessarily true: x=8 y=8 3x/y=3

III. x and y are prime integers --> x=21 y=9 3x/y=7


can we not take fractions for x and y? The question doesnt explicitly mention them to be integers
Manager
Manager
User avatar
Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Posts: 174
Location: India
Schools: South Asian B-schools
Followers: 2

Kudos [?]: 39 [0], given: 37

GMAT Tests User
Re: PS Number property [#permalink] New post 13 Oct 2009, 11:55
I got A picking x=16 and y=6..we get 3x/y = 7....thus OA A
_________________

Bhushan S.
If you like my post....Consider it for Kudos :-D

Intern
Intern
Joined: 28 Feb 2010
Posts: 10
Followers: 0

Kudos [?]: 0 [0], given: 0

Number properties: [#permalink] New post 07 Jun 2010, 01:11
If y ≠ 3 and is a prime integer greater than 2, which of the following must be true?
Ⅰ. x = y
Ⅱ. y = 1
Ⅲ. x and y are prime integers.
(A) None
(B) Ⅰ only
(C) Ⅱonly
(D) Ⅲonly
(E) Ⅰand Ⅲ

[Reveal] Spoiler:
A
Manager
Manager
Joined: 04 May 2010
Posts: 89
WE 1: 2 yrs - Oilfield Service
Followers: 7

Kudos [?]: 44 [0], given: 7

GMAT Tests User Reviews Badge
Re: Number properties: [#permalink] New post 07 Jun 2010, 04:23
I'm assuming that the question reads ... and x is a prime integer greater than 2.

In these questions, always start with III

III. x and y are prime integers.
Well x is a prime integer. But y could be any number other than 3. NOT TRUE.

II. y = 1. Need not be true. y could be anything other than 3.

I. x = y. Need not be true. y could be anything other than 3.

Pick A

Rather basic question, doubt you'll see this in the actual test.
Intern
Intern
Joined: 07 Jun 2010
Posts: 23
Location: mumbai
Schools: isb
Followers: 0

Kudos [?]: 1 [0], given: 6

PS section 1 q20 [#permalink] New post 08 Jun 2010, 11:33
20. If y ≠ 3 and is a prime integer greater than 2, which of the following must be true?
Ⅰ. x = y
Ⅱ. y = 1
Ⅲ. x and y are prime integers.
(A) None
(B) Ⅰ only
(C) Ⅱonly
(D) Ⅲonly
(E) Ⅰand Ⅲ

the solution booklet says answer is A
but shouldnt x=y making B the answer
if the number is prime and greater than 2, then the number has to be 3. which is possible only if x=y.
GMAT Club team member
User avatar
Joined: 02 Sep 2009
Posts: 11516
Followers: 1792

Kudos [?]: 9537 [0], given: 826

Re: PS section 1 q20 [#permalink] New post 08 Jun 2010, 12:28
sunland wrote:
20. If y ≠ 3 and is a prime integer greater than 2, which of the following must be true?
Ⅰ. x = y
Ⅱ. y = 1
Ⅲ. x and y are prime integers.
(A) None
(B) Ⅰ only
(C) Ⅱonly
(D) Ⅲonly
(E) Ⅰand Ⅲ

the solution booklet says answer is A
but shouldnt x=y making B the answer
if the number is prime and greater than 2, then the number has to be 3. which is possible only if x=y.


First of all the question misses important part (\frac{3x}{y}=prime). Second this question is MUST be true question not COULD be true.

Refer to the solutions above to see that it's not necessary x=y to be true for 3x/y to be a prime integer greater than 2. For example x=25 and y=15 --> \frac{3x}{y}=5=prime.

Hope it's clear.
_________________

PLEASE READ AND FOLLOW: 11 Rules for Posting!!!

RESOURCES: [GMAT MATH BOOK]; 1. Triangles; 2. Polygons; 3. Coordinate Geometry; 4. Factorials; 5. Circles; 6. Number Theory

COLLECTION OF QUESTIONS:
PS: 1. Tough and Tricky questions; 2. Hard questions; 3. Hard questions part 2; 4. Standard deviation; 5. Tough Problem Solving Questions With Solutions; 6. Probability and Combinations Questions With Solutions; 7 Tough and tricky exponents and roots questions; 8 12 Easy Pieces (or not?); 9 Bakers' Dozen; 10 Algebra set. NEW!!!

DS: 1. DS tough questions; 2. DS tough questions part 2; 3. DS tough questions part 3; 4. DS Standard deviation; 5. Inequalities; 6. 700+ GMAT Data Sufficiency Questions With Explanations; 7 Tough and tricky exponents and roots questions; 8 The Discreet Charm of the DS ; 9 Devil's Dozen!!!; 10 Number Properties set. NEW!!!


What are GMAT Club Tests?
25 extra-hard Quant Tests

Find out what's new at GMAT Club - latest features and updates

Manager
Manager
User avatar
Status: Single
Joined: 05 Jun 2011
Posts: 136
Location: Shanghai China
Followers: 2

Kudos [?]: 1 [0], given: 0

Re: PS Number property [#permalink] New post 01 Aug 2011, 00:38
Except for A, the rest I just need to determine the other two which one is prime number


SMAbbas wrote:
(3x/y) is a prime integer greater than 2. which of the following must be true

Suppose P=3x/y

Possible values of P = 3,5,7,11 ......

Statement I:
If P = 3 , x=y TRUE
If P = 5, x=y FALSE <== Statement I is not always correct

Statement II:
If y=1 is TRUE => P = 3x
Since P is a prime number, it cannot be a multiple of 3

Statement III:
suppose x = 7 and y=5 , P= 21/5 => Not a prime number
You can fill some other values of x and y


Answer should be A
Re: PS Number property   [#permalink] 01 Aug 2011, 00:38
    Similar topics Author Replies Last post
Similar
Topics:
New posts PS: Number Properties rsteinh 2 04 Oct 2004, 07:34
New posts PS-number properties Seyi 3 08 Dec 2004, 16:39
New posts PS- integers and number properties Dadeesgurly04 9 07 Jan 2006, 17:43
New posts PS-Number Properties buckkitty 2 23 Jan 2006, 14:34
New posts GMATPrep - Number properties - PS gmatornot 3 22 Jul 2006, 16:41
Display posts from previous: Sort by

PS Number property

  Question banks Downloads My Bookmarks Reviews  


GMAT Club MBA Forum Home| About| Privacy Policy| Terms and Conditions| GMAT Club Rules| Contact| Sitemap

Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group and phpBB SEO

Kindly note that the GMAT® test is a registered trademark of the Graduate Management Admission Council®, and this site has neither been reviewed nor endorsed by GMAC®.