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Quasars are so distant that their light has taken billions of years to reach the Earth; consequently, we see
them as they were during
the formation of the universe.
(A) we see them as they were during
(B) we see them as they had been during
(C) we see them as if during
(D) they appear to us as they did in
(E) they appear to us as though in
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Re: SC-Quasars [#permalink] New post 22 Jan 2010, 03:46
My intuition says that choices A and D comes close

I will choose D over A
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Re: SC-Quasars [#permalink] New post 22 Jan 2010, 03:47
please post official answer and the source of the question
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Re: SC-Quasars [#permalink] New post 24 Jan 2010, 13:30
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Hey All,

Just thought I'd weigh in on this one, since the official answer seems to be lacking.

The answer is A. In C, the "during" is unclear, because it makes it sound as if WE are seeing them NOW as if we were seeing them during the formation of the universe. This isn't the intended meaning of the sentence.

In D, the comparison is incorrect. It makes it sound as if they appear to us NOW as they appeared to us during the formation of the universe. But we weren't there back then. Sadly. E does this in an even more egregious way.

In A and B, we have to choose between the past tense and the past perfect. However, we should only be concerned about the tenses in the independent clause that comes after the semicolon. The only verb there is "see" which is in the present, so we only need to use the simple past tense to express an action occurring BEFORE the "see" action. The only time we would need past perfect would be if we had a verb in the clause that was already in the past tense, and we wanted to express an action occurring before THAT.

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Quasars are so distant that their light has taken billions of years to reach the Earth; consequently, we see
them as they were during the formation of the universe.
(A) we see them as they were during
(B) we see them as they had been during
(C) we see them as if during
(D) they appear to us as they did in
(E) they appear to us as though in
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Re: SC-Quasars [#permalink] New post 25 Jan 2010, 12:42
Hi Tommy,
I did not not undersatand your explanation. Do you mind elaborate - A vs D

we see them as they were during vs they appear to us as they did in

we see them as they were during - we see the Quasars as Quasars were during Does'nt this mean that we "currently" see Quasars as Quasars were in the past(during the formation of the universe)

they appear to us as they did in Quasars appear to us as Quasars did inQuasars looks the same as they were in the past

i think - both mean the same.

Thanks in advance for your explanation.

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Hi Tommy,
I did not not undersatand your explanation. Do you mind elaborate - A vs D

we see them as they were during vs they appear to us as they did in

we see them as they were during - we see the Quasars as Quasars were during Does'nt this mean that we "currently" see Quasars as Quasars were in the past(during the formation of the universe)

they appear to us as they did in Quasars appear to us as Quasars did inQuasars looks the same as they were in the past

i think - both mean the same.

Thanks in advance for your explanation.

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No.. there is slight misunderstanding in your second statement...
they appear to us as they did in - actually gives an impression that you saw them before (during formation) and hence you comment that they look like they did in the past.... once you see them again...currently..

But the first statement.... gives an impression that u see them as you have known about them during formation... it does NOT give an impression that you travelled back in time and saw them forming... and hence it is correct..

Hope this helps... else Tommy would respond back to you on this...!
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Re: SC-Quasars [#permalink] New post 25 Jan 2010, 14:43
JT is absolutely right. Thanks for clarifying that one for me.

In the correct answer, we have "as they were", the "they" being the quasars, the "were" being merely the action of being.

In D, we have "as they did", the "they" being the quasars, the "did" standing in for "appear to us". They could not have appeared to us in the distant past, because we weren't around.

Hopefully that helps. Thanks again, JT!

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Re: SC-Quasars [#permalink] New post 25 Jan 2010, 14:57
TommyWallach wrote:
JT is absolutely right. Thanks for clarifying that one for me.

In the correct answer, we have "as they were", the "they" being the quasars, the "were" being merely the action of being.

In D, we have "as they did", the "they" being the quasars, the "did" standing in for "appear to us". They could not have appeared to us in the distant past, because we weren't around.

Hopefully that helps. Thanks again, JT!

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Re: SC-Quasars [#permalink] New post 25 Jan 2010, 19:47
Thanks JT and Tommy.

The explanation was very helpful.
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Re: Quasars are so distant that their light has taken billions [#permalink] New post 20 Dec 2013, 19:34
Bumping up this post for certain clarifications.

Quasars are so distant that their light has taken billions of years to reach the Earth; consequently, we see
them as they were during
the formation of the universe.
(A) we see them as they were during
(D) they appear to us as they did in

In the first look, I chose 'D' but understood that 'D' is wrong after a 2-3 minute analysis --> in the exam, I willnot have that comfort. So, some quick doubts.

Doubt 1.
When two independent clauses are separated by a semicolon or a co-ordinating conjunction, shouldn't the construction be of the type
subject + phrase ; subject/subject pronoun + phrase?

So construction Quasars are so distant .... ; they appear .... should be correct, correct?

Please let me know not from the PoV of the above question

Doubt 2. Suppose I rephrase the option D as
they appear to us as they were during
Would 'D' be a more preferred choice than 'A' ?
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Re: Quasars are so distant that their light has taken billions [#permalink] New post 20 Dec 2013, 23:42
Hello sivasanjeev
My opinion for your doubt.

sivasanjeev wrote:
Doubt 1.
When two independent clauses are separated by a semicolon or a co-ordinating conjunction, shouldn't the construction be of the type
subject + phrase ; subject/subject pronoun + phrase?

So construction Quasars are so distant .... ; they appear .... should be correct, correct?


First, a semicolon is used to separate two clauses, the first clause is main, the second clause is dependent (it can't stand alone). There is no definition as in your structure (S + V; repeated S + V). All we need to pay attention is meaning. The second clause must be matched with the first one in meaning. Thus, Option A is correct.

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Doubt 2. Suppose I rephrase the option D as
they appear to us as they were during
Would 'D' be a more preferred choice than 'A' ?


I would say your own sentence is wrong. "Appear" is main verb that expresses what Quasars did (particular action). However "were" is NOT a main verb, but auxiliary verb that expresses how the Quasars were (characteristics). --> Technically, characteristics and action can't be used interchangeably. Thus, the sentence is wrong in both grammar and meaning.
Let see another example:
He played a soccer game very well as he was ..... <== Does it make sense? Nope! "played" expresses what he did. "was" expresses how he was/ his characteristic.

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Re: Quasars are so distant that their light has taken billions [#permalink] New post 21 Dec 2013, 06:08
Hi,
I appreciate your response and I comply with it too.

But one point. Semicolon connects two independent clauses (which are closely related.) That's why I asked if there is a rule that says "the two independent clauses must be parallel, with pronoun-subject of the second referring to the subject of the first.
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Re: Quasars are so distant that their light has taken billions [#permalink] New post 21 Dec 2013, 07:17
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Quasars are so distant that their light has taken billions of years to reach the Earth; consequently, we see
them as they were during
the formation of the universe.
(A) we see them as they were during
(B) we see them as they had been during
(C) we see them as if during
(D) they appear to us as they did in
(E) they appear to us as though in


the hard point in ellipsis is that all the clause is ommited. C ilustrate this hard point. whenever we see conjuction+preposition used as adverbial, it is possible that all the clause is omitted.

C means

we see them as if we see them dering the formation of the uviverse.

we we can make full the ellipsis, we realize the meaning problem in C.
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