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Re: Queens Full time MBA Vs other canadian schoos -need insights [#permalink] New post 14 Nov 2012, 18:09
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With my little research, i have learned that Rotman is sometimes too hyped (i could be wrong).

Even i have seen the approach of the school that they are probably getting too much inclined to high GMAT only. I think in the quest of getting people with high GMAT only, the school ends up with engineers from India with great GMAT (just my opinion, not personal to anyone)

I have interacted with alums of Ivey, Queens and Rotman, i found the alums of Queens and Ivey much more matured.

Do you guys think Rotman is better for entry level finance jobs only

Again, my comments are just based on my research and not personal to anyone

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You are spot on with your gmat observation. For awhile, Ivey had the highest stats in terms of GMAT and undergrad GPA. I believe not too long ago, Rotman and Schulich's average GMAT was 650 where Ivey was around 670-680. Both schools took a much more stats-based approach to recruitment to compete, and as such have a lot of Chinese and Indian international students. Schulich especially. Ivey does not weight GMAT more than other aspects. For Ivey, having a polished manner of speech is equally as important. I know someone here who had a GMAT in the 500's and she's got an offer from RBC wealth management, so it's not a barrier once you're in. Rotman is a little hyped now because they had a superstar dean who elevated the school to the top tier within 10 years. If you're not going for specifically capital markets finance, you'll be fine at either Schulich or Queens as well. I would probably rather go to Queens than Schulich because Queens has a tighter student body and isn't on a campus that has a reported rape every few months.
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Re: Queens Full time MBA Vs other canadian schoos -need insights [#permalink] New post 14 Nov 2012, 18:19
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The analogy of Rotman/Ivey is similar to LBS/Insead, Stern/Tuck or even Wharton/Stanford. Maybe this helps.
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Re: Queens Full time MBA Vs other canadian schoos -need insights [#permalink] New post 14 Nov 2012, 19:42
One more perspective and i am sure you guys can contribute a lot on the same

Location of the School

1) People suggest that the closer you are to the Toronto (especially from financial services point of view) , the better it is. I am sure that this is truth, but is it so true that one has to consider this aspect heavily while choosing school ? I mean queens is far from Toronto in that case, so is ivey.

2) Timing of degree completion - does it make difference if you pass out from the school during certain phase of the year e.g. does it help to pass out early (May month in case queens) ? because Rotman and Schulich guys pass out generally in Aug / Sep ?

In short , does canadian employer a set pattern in recruiting people ?

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Re: Queens Full time MBA Vs other canadian schoos -need insights [#permalink] New post 14 Nov 2012, 19:46
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With my little research, i have learned that Rotman is sometimes too hyped (i could be wrong).

Even i have seen the approach of the school that they are probably getting too much inclined to high GMAT only. I think in the quest of getting people with high GMAT only, the school ends up with engineers from India with great GMAT (just my opinion, not personal to anyone)

I have interacted with alums of Ivey, Queens and Rotman, i found the alums of Queens and Ivey much more matured.

Do you guys think Rotman is better for entry level finance jobs only

Again, my comments are just based on my research and not personal to anyone

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You are spot on with your gmat observation. For awhile, Ivey had the highest stats in terms of GMAT and undergrad GPA. I believe not too long ago, Rotman and Schulich's average GMAT was 650 where Ivey was around 670-680. Both schools took a much more stats-based approach to recruitment to compete, and as such have a lot of Chinese and Indian international students. Schulich especially. Ivey does not weight GMAT more than other aspects. For Ivey, having a polished manner of speech is equally as important. I know someone here who had a GMAT in the 500's and she's got an offer from RBC wealth management, so it's not a barrier once you're in. Rotman is a little hyped now because they had a superstar dean who elevated the school to the top tier within 10 years. If you're not going for specifically capital markets finance, you'll be fine at either Schulich or Queens as well. I would probably rather go to Queens than Schulich because Queens has a tighter student body and isn't on a campus that has a reported rape every few months.



Thanks, I am not on sheer technical side of finance.

I have been into wealth management roles and business development roles in Insurance - both life and general.

Do you think future in these roles is heavily dominated by ivey/rotman only (especially in toronto)

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Re: Queens Full time MBA Vs other canadian schoos -need insights [#permalink] New post 15 Nov 2012, 08:34
when you graduate doesn't matter. where you are in the program in relation to the big hiring season in October makes a difference. You've only completed 5 months of the program by the time recruitment rolls around in October at Ivey, so you're on the back foot in technical terms. They usually take that into consideration though. The Toronto vs outside debate is a good one. I networked in Toronto a lot and it wasn't pleasant to drive all the way up and back to London multiple times a week, that's for sure.

As far as wealth management roles, Rotman tends to take most of those but it's not as competitive as i-banking in general, so you're definitely in with a shot from Schulich or Queens. You'd be fine for BD in any of the schools.

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One more perspective and i am sure you guys can contribute a lot on the same

Location of the School

1) People suggest that the closer you are to the Toronto (especially from financial services point of view) , the better it is. I am sure that this is truth, but is it so true that one has to consider this aspect heavily while choosing school ? I mean queens is far from Toronto in that case, so is ivey.

2) Timing of degree completion - does it make difference if you pass out from the school during certain phase of the year e.g. does it help to pass out early (May month in case queens) ? because Rotman and Schulich guys pass out generally in Aug / Sep ?

In short , does canadian employer a set pattern in recruiting people ?

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Re: Queens Full time MBA Vs other canadian schoos -need insights [#permalink] New post 22 Nov 2012, 00:55
I had a fear and that turns out to be true :), I received an admit from Schulich for fall 2013

Any more insights ?

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Re: Queens Full time MBA Vs other canadian schoos -need insights [#permalink] New post 22 Nov 2012, 06:06
Congratulations for your admit wayahead123 :).
What's your academic profile ? are you planning to do a full time or part-time?
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Re: Queens Full time MBA Vs other canadian schoos -need insights [#permalink] New post 22 Nov 2012, 08:07
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Congratulations for your admit wayahead123 :).
What's your academic profile ? are you planning to do a full time or part-time?


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Re: Queens Full time MBA Vs other canadian schoos -need insights [#permalink] New post 22 Nov 2012, 16:50
congratulations! if you feel the school suits your needs, go for it! if not, you can always defer and try other schools again. but it's great you got in, and you should be very happy.
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Re: Queens Full time MBA Vs other canadian schoos -need insights [#permalink] New post 22 Nov 2012, 23:43
For the first time, i am loving to be in a problem - choosing schulich or Queens

Queens reputation is invincible and the schulich's location and opportunity to apply for 3 yrs work permit mesmerize to schulich

Lets see, i think i need to over stretch my research abilities

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Re: Queens Full time MBA Vs other canadian schoos -need insights [#permalink] New post 28 Nov 2012, 11:01
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For the first time, i am loving to be in a problem - choosing schulich or Queens

Queens reputation is invincible and the schulich's location and opportunity to apply for 3 yrs work permit mesmerize to schulich

Lets see, i think i need to over stretch my research abilities

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What did you decide?
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Re: Queens Full time MBA Vs other canadian schoos -need insights [#permalink] New post 29 Nov 2012, 07:28
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For the first time, i am loving to be in a problem - choosing schulich or Queens

Queens reputation is invincible and the schulich's location and opportunity to apply for 3 yrs work permit mesmerize to schulich

Lets see, i think i need to over stretch my research abilities

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What did you decide?



Hi,

I am yet to decide, have a day or two only remaining.

I like the aspects of queens that are academics, quality of students, team based coaching etc, but the location is a problem since i am looking at opportunities in financial services and Torotnto is the hub

With schulich, the fees is a little less and the school is at toronto, so it is always better to network with people. I heard that the quality of students at schulich is not as good as queens' students.

In all, my confusion stands as it is :)
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Whatever you decide, both are really top schools. You cannot go wrong.
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Re: Queens Full time MBA Vs other canadian schoos -need insights [#permalink] New post 30 Nov 2012, 08:11
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Whatever you decide, both are really top schools. You cannot go wrong.



Ya, lets see.

I am not this bad at decision making, but this time I am lost :)

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Re: Queens Full time MBA Vs other canadian schoos -need insights [#permalink] New post 30 Nov 2012, 23:51
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I had a fear and that turns out to be true :), I received an admit from Schulich for fall 2013

Any more insights ?

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Schulich hands down! 1) Lower tuition 2) Largest network in Canada 3) Probably best rounded school in Canada.

I could write a book on what a BS rumor it is that Schulich has lower quality of students or admission policies. If we shrunk the size of Schulich MBA to what it is at Ivey or Queens, then Schulich stats in career placement and GMAT/GPA would be off the charts! On that point, smaller program is not an advantage, its a disadvantage. Much less people to network with. Benefit of Schulich is that it is large and school has strengths in so many areas, but accounting, marketing and strategy stand out especially.
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Re: Queens Full time MBA Vs other canadian schoos -need insights [#permalink] New post 28 Jan 2013, 09:37
Hi Guys,

Nice discussion

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Re: Queens Full time MBA Vs other canadian schoos -need insights [#permalink] New post 31 Jan 2013, 21:07
Both schools are good, although Schulich Admin staff are way more professional than that of Queens. Although I was already accepted to Ivey, My #1 choice, I still decided to take the interview via Webcam. I didn't like my interviewer at all. Some guy, arrogant and he came off that he was better than me and the other girl who interviewed me. haha. So ya if you get the guy, goodluck, he a dbag...woooooo! A
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Re: Queens Full time MBA Vs other canadian schoos -need insights [#permalink] New post 23 May 2014, 01:24
so @wayahead123.. where are you now? queens or schulich?
and i am in the same situation with same questions :)
however, i had already got an admit from Rotman last year but due to high fees i had to defer it :( :( :( :(
can you or anyone give me insight here? reviews after 2 years :)
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