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Dear VeritasPrepBrian VeritasKarishma IanStewart DmitryFarber GMATNinja,

After reading the official explanation for this question, I still do not understand the logic behind it. Plus, although it is 95% hard question, no experts have given any explanations yet.

This post is a bit long. Thank you for your patience in advance! :please :please :please


Q1. Why is choice A. wrong?

A) In evaluating legislation that would impinge on a basic freedom, we should consider the consequences of not passing the legislation

Here the consequences of not passing the legislation are reflected in this part in the passage: the damage done by violent programs. If the legislation is not passed, the violent programs exist and hence its damage.
And if we consider the (BAD) consequences of not passing the legislation, we should support the legislation!


Q2. Why is choice D. wrong? (*** many students, including me, choose this one ***)

D) If the exercise of a basic freedom leads to some harm, then the exercise of that freedom should be restricted.

If choice D. is valid, which is already given in the question stem, this choice strongly justifies the reasoning.

If the exercise of a basic freedom leads to some harm -> We know from the passage that this part in choice D. is true: the damage done by violent programs is more harmful

then the exercise of that freedom should be restricted. -> We know that this part in choice D. supports passing the legislation, which restrict the freedom.

Taking choice D. together, we can conclude that supporting both freedom of speech and legislation is indeed consistent.


Q3. Why is choice E. wrong?

E) In some circumstances, we should tolerate regulations that impinge on a basic freedom.

I am not very convinced by the official explanation, which gives the ONLY reason why choice E. is wrong as follows: "Raymond is focused solely on a small limitation on free speech, while answer choice "E" applies to any "basic freedom", not just freedom of speech"

Reading choice E. in the context of the passage, we can interpret that "a basic freedom" in choice E. could refer to "freedom of speech" in the passage. I think we should allow some flexibility on the wording, as long as it conveys the same meaning. Otherwise, we would fixate on any word verbatim. Moreover, I often see that in many questions, correct answer choices do not normally use the exact same words given in the passage. Please also kindly note that choice A. and choice D. also use the phrase "a basic freedom". Should we all eliminate these 3 choices solely on the basis of just one phrase?

Apart from the detail on the wording, what is wrong with the logic in choice E.?

If we should tolerate the regulations that impinge on a basic freedom, that would support passing the legislation!

Thank you as always :)


Though two experts have already given their inputs here, I would like to give mine too just this once to clearly spell out a point I make often.

"Focus on the conclusion"
When strengthening an argument, focus on the conclusion.

Conclusion: it is not (it is not inconsistent to support freedom of speech and also support legislation limiting the amount of violence in TV programs)

We need something that tells us that the two can co-exist. One can support 'freedom of speech' as well as 'legislation limiting violence'.
Let me re-word what options (A), (B), (D) and (E) say.

A) In evaluating legislation that would impinge on a basic freedom, we should consider the consequences of not passing the legislation

Don't support basic freedoms blindly. Consider consequences of not passing the legislation.

B) One can support freedom of speech while at the same time recognizing that other interests can sometimes override

One can support freedom of speech and also support that other interests may override is sometimes. Supporting both is viable. Exactly what we needed.

D) If the exercise of a basic freedom leads to some harm, then the exercise of that freedom should be restricted.

Restrict support to a basic freedom if it harms.

E) In some circumstances, we should tolerate regulations that impinge on a basic freedom.

Tolerate impinging on basic freedom in some cases.

No option other than (B) is telling you that it is consistent to support both. Other options are saying that restrict your support to basic freedoms, if needed. I hope this clarifies that (B) is the answer.
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Re: Raymond: Although some people claim it is inconsistent to [#permalink]
The argument here is that while supporting FOS and at the same time restricting it is wrong, it actually isn't. We have to find support for this specific conclusion. Only B does it explaining why it is not inconsistent.

My advice is never lose sight of the conclusion
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While I understand that the first sentence is conclusion, I do not find any reason why second statement cannot be the conclusion, in which case it is difficult to arrive at the correct answer B. If statement 1 is considered a conclusion, it's pretty much clear that the correct answer choice is B.

So my question here is: How do we so confidently say that the first statement is conclusion here even before reading the options. I am having a tough time here accepting the fact that statement 1 must be the conclusion. Request your insights on this.


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varotkorn wrote:
Dear VeritasPrepBrian VeritasKarishma IanStewart DmitryFarber GMATNinja,

After reading the official explanation for this question, I still do not understand the logic behind it. Plus, although it is 95% hard question, no experts have given any explanations yet.

This post is a bit long. Thank you for your patience in advance! :please :please :please


Q1. Why is choice A. wrong?

A) In evaluating legislation that would impinge on a basic freedom, we should consider the consequences of not passing the legislation

Here the consequences of not passing the legislation are reflected in this part in the passage: the damage done by violent programs. If the legislation is not passed, the violent programs exist and hence its damage.
And if we consider the (BAD) consequences of not passing the legislation, we should support the legislation!


Q2. Why is choice D. wrong? (*** many students, including me, choose this one ***)

D) If the exercise of a basic freedom leads to some harm, then the exercise of that freedom should be restricted.

If choice D. is valid, which is already given in the question stem, this choice strongly justifies the reasoning.

If the exercise of a basic freedom leads to some harm -> We know from the passage that this part in choice D. is true: the damage done by violent programs is more harmful

then the exercise of that freedom should be restricted. -> We know that this part in choice D. supports passing the legislation, which restrict the freedom.

Taking choice D. together, we can conclude that supporting both freedom of speech and legislation is indeed consistent.


Q3. Why is choice E. wrong?

E) In some circumstances, we should tolerate regulations that impinge on a basic freedom.

I am not very convinced by the official explanation, which gives the ONLY reason why choice E. is wrong as follows: "Raymond is focused solely on a small limitation on free speech, while answer choice "E" applies to any "basic freedom", not just freedom of speech"

Reading choice E. in the context of the passage, we can interpret that "a basic freedom" in choice E. could refer to "freedom of speech" in the passage. I think we should allow some flexibility on the wording, as long as it conveys the same meaning. Otherwise, we would fixate on any word verbatim. Moreover, I often see that in many questions, correct answer choices do not normally use the exact same words given in the passage. Please also kindly note that choice A. and choice D. also use the phrase "a basic freedom". Should we all eliminate these 3 choices solely on the basis of just one phrase?

Apart from the detail on the wording, what is wrong with the logic in choice E.?

If we should tolerate the regulations that impinge on a basic freedom, that would support passing the legislation!

Thank you as always :)


Though two experts have already given their inputs here, I would like to give mine too just this once to clearly spell out a point I make often.

"Focus on the conclusion"
When strengthening an argument, focus on the conclusion.

Conclusion: it is not (it is not inconsistent to support freedom of speech and also support legislation limiting the amount of violence in TV programs)

We need something that tells us that the two can co-exist. One can support 'freedom of speech' as well as 'legislation limiting violence'.
Let me re-word what options (A), (B), (D) and (E) say.

A) In evaluating legislation that would impinge on a basic freedom, we should consider the consequences of not passing the legislation

Don't support basic freedoms blindly. Consider consequences of not passing the legislation.

B) One can support freedom of speech while at the same time recognizing that other interests can sometimes override

One can support freedom of speech and also support that other interests may override is sometimes. Supporting both is viable. Exactly what we needed.

D) If the exercise of a basic freedom leads to some harm, then the exercise of that freedom should be restricted.

Restrict support to a basic freedom if it harms.

E) In some circumstances, we should tolerate regulations that impinge on a basic freedom.

Tolerate impinging on basic freedom in some cases.

No option other than (B) is telling you that it is consistent to support both. Other options are saying that restrict your support to basic freedoms, if needed. I hope this clarifies that (B) is the answer.
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While I understand that the first sentence is conclusion, I do not find any reason why second statement cannot be the conclusion, in which case it is difficult to arrive at the correct answer B. If statement 1 is considered a conclusion, it's pretty much clear that the correct answer choice is B.

So my question here is: How do we so confidently say that the first statement is conclusion here even before reading the options. I am having a tough time here accepting the fact that statement 1 must be the conclusion. Request your insights on this.

Hello, Pankaj0901. One way to test for a conclusion—not a definitive way in every case—is to place a therefore ahead of the line in question. You can see how that would not work between lines one and two in this particular passage:

Although some people claim it is inconsistent to support freedom of speech and also support legislation limiting the amount of violence in TV programs, it is not. Therefore, we can limit TV program content because the damage done by violent programs is more harmful than the decrease in freedom of speech that would result from the limitations envisioned by the legislation.

The view it is not at the end of the first line does not in any way allow us to draw a reasonable conclusion. Rather, we are looking for further information to substantiate that view, and what follows does just that (notice the explanatory because clause).

If we were to rearrange the lines of the passage, however, and run another therefore assay, we get a much more streamlined or cogent argument:

We can limit TV program content because the damage done by violent programs is more harmful than the decrease in freedom of speech that would result from the limitations envisioned by the legislation. Therefore, although some people claim it is inconsistent to support freedom of speech and also support legislation limiting the amount of violence in TV programs, it is not.

A good way to practice identifying a conclusion or premise is to take on boldface questions. Most CR passages follow a patent layout in which background information is followed by a premise or premises that lead to a conclusion, but boldface questions mix things up, sometimes starting with a conclusion or tossing in a second (main) conclusion. Also, you might want to lay off the LSAT questions unless you are guided by a tutor or teacher who has hand-selected particular questions for their similarity to GMAT™ CR questions. Many LSAT questions, like this one, do not resemble what you can expect to see on the test you intend to take, and solving such questions can lead to more confusion than to a better understanding of how to approach CR.

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This is helpful, thank you AndrewN. I got the point.

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While I understand that the first sentence is conclusion, I do not find any reason why second statement cannot be the conclusion, in which case it is difficult to arrive at the correct answer B. If statement 1 is considered a conclusion, it's pretty much clear that the correct answer choice is B.

So my question here is: How do we so confidently say that the first statement is conclusion here even before reading the options. I am having a tough time here accepting the fact that statement 1 must be the conclusion. Request your insights on this.

Hello, Pankaj0901. One way to test for a conclusion—not a definitive way in every case—is to place a therefore ahead of the line in question. You can see how that would not work between lines one and two in this particular passage:

Although some people claim it is inconsistent to support freedom of speech and also support legislation limiting the amount of violence in TV programs, it is not. Therefore, we can limit TV program content because the damage done by violent programs is more harmful than the decrease in freedom of speech that would result from the limitations envisioned by the legislation.

The view it is not at the end of the first line does not in any way allow us to draw a reasonable conclusion. Rather, we are looking for further information to substantiate that view, and what follows does just that (notice the explanatory because clause).

If we were to rearrange the lines of the passage, however, and run another therefore assay, we get a much more streamlined or cogent argument:

We can limit TV program content because the damage done by violent programs is more harmful than the decrease in freedom of speech that would result from the limitations envisioned by the legislation. Therefore, although some people claim it is inconsistent to support freedom of speech and also support legislation limiting the amount of violence in TV programs, it is not.

A good way to practice identifying a conclusion or premise is to take on boldface questions. Most CR passages follow a patent layout in which background information is followed by a premise or premises that lead to a conclusion, but boldface questions mix things up, sometimes starting with a conclusion or tossing in a second (main) conclusion. Also, you might want to lay off the LSAT questions unless you are guided by a tutor or teacher who has hand-selected particular questions for their similarity to GMAT™ CR questions. Many LSAT questions, like this one, do not resemble what you can expect to see on the test you intend to take, and solving such questions can lead to more confusion than to a better understanding of how to approach CR.

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