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Recent indications of weakness in the economy have led consumers to be more conservative with their purchases; so depressed have sales figures been as a result that the government has launched several initiatives to actively encourage consumer spending.


A
B the sales figures have been so depressed as a result that
C as a result, so depressed has the sales been that
D the resulting sales figures having been so depressed that
E the sales figures have been so depressed that, as a result,

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Re: SC: Flagging Economy [#permalink] New post 30 Apr 2006, 20:47
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Recent indications of weakness in the economy have led consumers to be more conservative with their purchases; so depressed have sales figures been as a result that the government has launched several initiatives to actively encourage consumer spending.

A
B the sales figures have been so depressed as a result that
C as a result, so depressed has the sales been that
D the resulting sales figures having been so depressed that
E the sales figures have been so depressed that, as a result

idiom: so ... that
E the sales figures have been so depressed that, as a result,
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 [#permalink] New post 30 Apr 2006, 21:18
A bit weired type.

I'll go with "A" for "so...that"

Other choices have awkward placement of "as a result" (except in "C" but "C" didn't sound good)
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 [#permalink] New post 30 Apr 2006, 21:30
cindyn wrote:
Recent indications of weakness in the economy have led consumers to be more conservative with their purchases; so depressed have sales figures been as a result that the government has launched several initiatives to actively encourage consumer spending.

A
B the sales figures have been so depressed as a result that
C as a result, so depressed has the sales been that
D the resulting sales figures having been so depressed that
E the sales figures have been so depressed that, as a result,


imo, "as a result" in A is misplaced. also it creats confusion about the correct idiom. there are two idioms:

so ... as .... that. this is incorrect.
so ... that. always correct.
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 [#permalink] New post 30 Apr 2006, 21:41
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Recent indications of weakness in the economy have led consumers to be more conservative with their purchases; so depressed have sales figures been as a result that the government has launched several initiatives to actively encourage consumer spending.

A
B the sales figures have been so depressed as a result that
C as a result, so depressed has the sales been that
D the resulting sales figures having been so depressed that
E the sales figures have been so depressed that, as a result,


imo, "as a result" in A is misplaced. also it creats confusion about the correct idiom. there are two idioms:

so ... as .... that. this is incorrect.
so ... that. always correct.


I agree that correct idiom is "so X that Y" but IMO in "A", X = "depressed have sales figures been as a result ", we can't separate out "as".

If we put, "as a result" after "that" it seems to modify "Y". We need "as a result" to modify the first sentence of the SC.
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 [#permalink] New post 30 Apr 2006, 21:53
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cindyn wrote:
Recent indications of weakness in the economy have led consumers to be more conservative with their purchases; so depressed have sales figures been as a result that the government has launched several initiatives to actively encourage consumer spending.

A
B the sales figures have been so depressed as a result that
C as a result, so depressed has the sales been that
D the resulting sales figures having been so depressed that
E the sales figures have been so depressed that, as a result,


imo, "as a result" in A is misplaced. also it creats confusion about the correct idiom. there are two idioms:

so ... as .... that. this is incorrect.
so ... that. always correct.


I agree that correct idiom is "so X that Y" but IMO in "A", X = "depressed have sales figures been as a result ", we can't separate out "as".

If we put, "as a result" after "that" it seems to modify "Y". We need "as a result" to modify the first sentence of the SC.


this question is trying to test the "so abundant has been ....." question from OG. but imo in A, "as a result" is misplaced and it should be placed after that and seperated by coma so that the stress is applied to mean "so x that y".

in A "as a result" is unnecessary inserted between so and that which is totally wrong.
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 [#permalink] New post 30 Apr 2006, 22:09
Hmmm...looks like the way we are treating the "as a result" should be used is different. I will stick with "A" for now, since I find it better than rest. Anyway, I wouldn't have been able to answer this question in 2 mins ;)

Is this from OG?
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 [#permalink] New post 30 Apr 2006, 23:31
I could see both Vivek and Professor's arguments.

However, I chose C at first glance. Can 'sales figures' be depressed or is it the actual 'sales' that is depressed? Kind of ambiguous, it could go either way I guess.
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 [#permalink] New post 30 Apr 2006, 23:38
Gud discussion professor n vivek.

as a result is intended to be used for one of the 2 purposes..

1)sales figure have been so depressed as a result of the conservativeness of the consumers that the govt has....
2)sales figure have been so depressing that, as a result , govt has announced.

At the first look , I thought E to be the answer.
but it seems as a result suits more in the 1) scenario(above)

so A n B...seem to be the 2 choices...of which B looks better than A, IMO

Someone else please explain....
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 [#permalink] New post 01 May 2006, 03:33
The OA is A
Thanks for the explanations.
This is from Kaplan 800.
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 [#permalink] New post 01 May 2006, 04:35
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The OA is A
Thanks for the explanations.
This is from Kaplan 800.


if the question were from OG, i understand it would be correct. if it isnot from OG, it can easily be disputed. So OA could be wrong.

for me, "as a result" intrudes the idiom "so x that y" in A. If you say A is OA/correct, why B is incorrect? A and B are gramatically almost similar.

lets see any expert view??????????????????/

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Recent indications of weakness in the economy have led consumers to be more conservative with their purchases; so depressed have sales figures been as a result that the government has launched several initiatives to actively encourage consumer spending.

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B the sales figures have been so depressed as a result that
C as a result, so depressed has the sales been that
D the resulting sales figures having been so depressed that
E the sales figures have been so depressed that, as a result
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 [#permalink] New post 01 May 2006, 06:11
The OE in Kaplan is that the modifier "as a result" should be closer to the sales figure slump which aligns with vivek123's explanation.
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 [#permalink] New post 01 May 2006, 20:22
cindyn wrote:
The OE in Kaplan is that the modifier "as a result" should be closer to the sales figure slump which aligns with vivek123's explanation.


what kaplan (TPR as well) says is not important cuz kaplan and TPR have many ambigious and flaw approaches. as i said earlier, "as a result" in A intrudes the correct idiom "so x that y".

how do you say in A that the idiom is "so that". if you say A is correct how do you say B is incorrect?

according to the OE you have OAs are A and B which is absurd.

only E stands.
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 [#permalink] New post 01 May 2006, 20:33
C should be the answer.
A is not clear why the sales figure are down.
B same problem
D/E bad construction
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 [#permalink] New post 01 May 2006, 21:10
I think we are wasting time in such SCs :) It's better not to break head in such SCs & just follow what OG says. But as far as this SC is concerned I would still check "A" in the exam & go away. I see it as "the better choice".
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 [#permalink] New post 01 May 2006, 21:19
Yeah this one is pretty convoluted :oops:
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 [#permalink] New post 02 May 2006, 04:30
vivek123 wrote:
I think we are wasting time in such SCs :) It's better not to break head in such SCs & just follow what OG says. But as far as this SC is concerned I would still check "A" in the exam & go away. I see it as "the better choice".


why do you think that way? if a person like you, who is really briliiant and has a very good grasp of gmat matters, says that its a wasting a time :?:, then who is going to clearify the ambiguious questions such as this one?

moreover, we all are open to put our views no matter wrong or right. i might be wrong, but i like to put (waste) my views (times) :wink: .

if you still say A is correct, how do you say that B is incorrect?

your expertism is highly awaited and appreciated.
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 [#permalink] New post 02 May 2006, 06:47
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vivek123 wrote:
I think we are wasting time in such SCs :) It's better not to break head in such SCs & just follow what OG says. But as far as this SC is concerned I would still check "A" in the exam & go away. I see it as "the better choice".


why do you think that way? if a person like you, who is really briliiant and has a very good grasp of gmat matters, says that its a wasting a time :?:, then who is going to clearify the ambiguious questions such as this one?

moreover, we all are open to put our views no matter wrong or right. i might be wrong, but i like to put (waste) my views (times) :wink: .

if you still say A is correct, how do you say that B is incorrect?

your expertism is highly awaited and appreciated.


:lol: Thanks for encouraging but I'm poor in grammar, I just follow some standard GMAT techniques or believe my ears ;) I said it's like wasting time, since you were right that such things can be disputed. If we believe particular thing is wrong, just forget it, as long as it's not official guide, I don't think it will add any value. That was the only point I had.

Also, I think, such SCs are tough, because there are no usual GMAT pattern problems, grammatically more than one choice looks correct, at this point I just believe my ears & sometimes it proves correct ;) like in this case.

IMO, there is absolutely no problem with the idiom usage "so X that Y". My ears like "A" over all other choices! :lol: I'm really sorry for not providing any grammatical tips. Probably, somebody else like Paul can add something...
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 [#permalink] New post 02 May 2006, 07:33
Don't have faith in the OA suggested, this is a clear E.

Second you prof!
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 [#permalink] New post 02 May 2006, 08:06
Agree with Vivek's explanation.
See nothing wrong with A. In this sentence , sales figures been as a result comes in one block, following idiom so.. that..

In E, as a result placement is a bit awkward and A is a better fit.
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