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Recently Mary gave a birthday party for her daughter at which she served both chocolate and strawberry ice cream. There were 8 boys who had chocolate ice cream, and nine girls who had strawberry. Everybody there had some ice cream, but nobody tried both. What is the maximum possible number of girls who had some chocolate ice cream?

(1) Exactly thirty children attended the party.
(2) Fewer than half the children had strawberry ice cream.
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Re: Zumit DS 025 [#permalink] New post 13 Sep 2008, 12:44
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IMO E..

Total number of girls is not known from any of the statements..also this question looks awkward..


Yepp. I chose E. Total number of children is a level above the distinction of boys and girls. Children includes both.
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Re: Zumit DS 025 [#permalink] New post 13 Sep 2008, 13:18
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as we need the maximum no. of girls
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Re: Zumit DS 025 [#permalink] New post 13 Sep 2008, 23:37
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Recently Mary gave a birthday party for her daughter at which she served both chocolate and strawberry ice cream. There were 8 boys who had chocolate ice cream, and nine girls who had strawberry. Everybody there had some ice cream, but nobody tried both. What is the maximum possible number of girls who had some chocolate ice cream?

(1) Exactly thirty children attended the party.
(2) Fewer than half the children had strawberry ice cream.


1)is INSUFFI no info about the number of icecreams !!!
2)does not say about total number of children !!!

(1) and (2) =>
say g_c=girls having choc ice cream and boys b_s boys having strawber icecream then
g_c+b_s +17=30 => g_c+b_s=13 => when b_s=0 then g_c = max = 13

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Re: Zumit DS 025 [#permalink] New post 13 Sep 2008, 23:39
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Recently Mary gave a birthday party for her daughter at which she served both chocolate and strawberry ice cream. There were 8 boys who had chocolate ice cream, and nine girls who had strawberry. Everybody there had some ice cream, but nobody tried both. What is the maximum possible number of girls who had some chocolate ice cream?

(1) Exactly thirty children attended the party.
(2) Fewer than half the children had strawberry ice cream.


1)is INSUFFI no info about the number of icecreams !!!
2)does not say about total number of children !!!

(1) and (2) =>
say g_c=girls having choc ice cream and boys b_s boys having strawber icecream then
g_c+b_s +17=30 => g_c+b_s=13 => when b_s=0 then g_c = max = 13

IMO C

Question says maximum possible number of girls hence i chose C
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Re: Mary - party [#permalink] New post 19 Nov 2009, 12:17
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Recently Mary gave a birthday party for her daughter at which she served both chocolate and strawberry ice cream. There were 8 boys who had chocolate ice cream, and nine girls who had strawberry. Everybody there had some ice cream, but nobody tried both. What is the maximum possible number of girls who had some chocolate ice cream?

(1) Exactly thirty children attended the party.

(2) Fewer than half the children had strawberry ice cream.


This doesn't make any logical sense as a DS question - a DS question cannot ask for the 'maximum number' of something, since it is impossible to know what kind of information would be sufficient to answer such a question. Simplifying matters, if I ask, for example,

What is the maximum possible number of stamps in Bill's collection?
1) Bill has fewer than 30 stamps in his collection.
2) Bill has an even number of stamps in his collection.

From Statement 1, we know the maximum possible is 29, but from Statements 1+2 together we know the maximum is 28. So is Statement 1 sufficient alone? Or do we need both? Or is the answer E? The question doesn't have a unique correct answer, and is completely illogical - you could never see such a question on the real GMAT. The same is true of the question in the original post above. I'd be curious to know the source of the original question, but it's best ignored.
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Re: Zumit DS 025 [#permalink] New post 14 Jun 2011, 14:54
Yeh the Question is strange, however i found this today in MGMAT test. And naturally didnt do it right, so thought to check what other people think of such question.

Answer could be explained as follows, however i am not still very convinced or i should say that it is just a 'hidden trap' of gmat.

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From statement 1- Total = 30 kids.

to maximize, girls eating choclate icecream, boys eating strawberry could be assumed!! to be 0, since it is not stated that there must be atleast one boy who eats strawberry icecream.

so the max girls eating choclate icecream will be - 30-8-9 = 13 girls.

st-2 doesnt provide info on boys choclate icecream.

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the trap is that one may not assume that boys eating strawberry icecream could be 0, and think that st-1 may not be sufficient.

so in that case both statements would be required.

but the idea is to read the word 'maximum' in the Question.
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Re: Recently Mary gave a birthday party for her daughter at [#permalink] New post 18 Apr 2014, 05:00
What should be done in such a case?.

Is the answer - A , C or E?

Any Expert Opinion?
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Re: Recently Mary gave a birthday party for her daughter at [#permalink] New post 05 May 2014, 22:48
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What should be done in such a case?.

Is the answer - A , C or E?

Any Expert Opinion?


The OA for this question is A.


Could you explain this please Bunuel ?
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Recently Mary gave a birthday party for her daughter at [#permalink] New post 20 Jul 2014, 01:28
This is how I think A is sufficient

Out of 30 children, to get the maximum value of girls eating chocolate ice-cream, we should choose minimum # of boys to eat strawberry ice-cream... (to be fair to the boys, I chose 1 strawberry ice-cream for them and got 12 girls eat chocolate ice-cream :) )...

(refer to the matrix picture posted by agdimple333)

let me know if my approach is incorrect.
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Recently Mary gave a birthday party for her daughter at [#permalink] New post 26 Jul 2014, 06:43
1) Total children = 30
Let total girls be x.
Therefore total boys = 30-x

Now to get the max of Girls-Chocolatte (a) we have to maximize x.
To maximize x , Boys-Strawberry has to be zero.
Then 30-x=8
 X=22

Now a+9=22
 A=13
Thus statement 1 sufficient.
2) Insufficient : Since total is not known hence insufficient.
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Re: Recently Mary gave a birthday party for her daughter at [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2014, 03:41
1) As we have 30 children and we know that 8 boys had chocolate and 9 girls had strawberry, we are left with 30-17=13. These 13 can be considered girls who had chocolate. Question is asking maximum possible girls who had chocolate thus we can assume these 13 as girls who had choco ice cream. No need to calculate anything.
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