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Ross vs Darden vs Tuck Vs Stern [#permalink] New post 31 Mar 2013, 04:26
Hi all,

Need your help with a decision I need to make. I consider myself very fortunate to have gotten admits from some solid top 8-15 ranked schools. But with this unexpected bounty, I have to make a decision shortly and I am confused to say the least.

Based on my research, this is what I have come up with. Kindly request your inputs in my decision making process.

Ross:
Pros: $. Employment statistics out in the open. Seems to be strong in consulting/technology recruitment. Balanced program with a lot of time for networking/recruitment.
Cons: Rankings, acceptance rates on the decline. Large class size may skew recruitment numbers. No international loan assistance.

Darden:
pros: $$$. Most top consulting firms come on-campus for recruitment year on year. Strong academics, case study method. Rising in rankings, brand etc
cons: Too much focus on academics could limit time for networking/recruitment activities. High Tech recruitment seems sparse. Consulting recruitment numbers don't seem as good as Ross even after normalizing for class size.

Tuck :
pros: $$$;Strong brand; Core school for tier 1 consulting firms (MBB, Deloitte); Ranked highly and balanced program
Cons: no scholarship :(; middle of nowhere; Tech recruitment is sparse. Tier 2 consulting recruitment in minimal

NYU:
pros: New York; balanced program; ease of networking with recruiters/alumni of top firms; top consulting firms do come on-campus
cons: not a consulting school per se; minimal high tech focus; not sure of overall MBA brand

What should I do? Any suggestions...

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Re: Ross($) vs Darden($$$) vs Tuck Vs NYU - For Consuting [#permalink] New post 31 Mar 2013, 04:34
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Darden:
pros: $$$. Most top consulting firms come on-campus for recruitment year on year. Strong academics, case study method. Rising in rankings, brand etc
cons: Too much focus on academics could limit time for networking/recruitment activities. High Tech recruitment seems sparse. Consulting recruitment numbers don't seem as good as Ross even after normalizing for class size.



I wouldn't consider that academics to be a con at Darden...there seems to be this myth that Darden works you harder than other schools because of the case method (why hasn't anyone said this about HBS?). You're gonna be working hard academically wherever you go. Looks like you were reaching for cons - and if there was "too much focus on academics" understand that all your classmates would be in the same situation anyway.

My 2 cents. Congrats and good luck!
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Re: Ross($) vs Darden($$$) vs Tuck Vs NYU - For Consuting [#permalink] New post 31 Mar 2013, 04:42
Thanks for the input and vote, CobraKai. Appreciate it.

You are right about the "Darden Myth". I was trying to find some cons even if they are based on just hearsay

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Darden:
pros: $$$. Most top consulting firms come on-campus for recruitment year on year. Strong academics, case study method. Rising in rankings, brand etc
cons: Too much focus on academics could limit time for networking/recruitment activities. High Tech recruitment seems sparse. Consulting recruitment numbers don't seem as good as Ross even after normalizing for class size.



I wouldn't consider that academics to be a con at Darden...there seems to be this myth that Darden works you harder than other schools because of the case method (why hasn't anyone said this about HBS?). You're gonna be working hard academically wherever you go. Looks like you were reaching for cons - and if there was "too much focus on academics" understand that all your classmates would be in the same situation anyway.

My 2 cents. Congrats and good luck!

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Re: Ross($) vs Darden($$$) vs Tuck Vs NYU - For Consuting [#permalink] New post 31 Mar 2013, 04:45
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Tuck :
pros: Strong brand; Core school for tier 1 consulting firms (MBB, Deloitte); Ranked highly and balanced program
Cons: no scholarship :(; middle of nowhere; Tech recruitment is sparse. Tier 2 consulting recruitment in minimal


If you don't like Tuck's location it's going to be a long two years there. People who end up at Tuck love it in part for it's location and what that brings to the community there.

You're right that Tuck has strong recruiting for MBB but schools can't be tops in recruiting for every single firm. Most schools have their favored firms they recruit to, so not having "strong" recruiting to tier 2 firms isn't a con for Tuck imo.

Have you visited any of these schools? I feel like if you're having reservations about Tuck, it's probably not the place for you -- but visiting helps sort these things out.
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Re: Ross($) vs Darden($$$) vs Tuck Vs NYU - For Consuting [#permalink] New post 31 Mar 2013, 04:53
Thanks, Aerien.

Unfortunately, I am not in a position to visit any of these schools at the moment. I agree that that it would help greatly.

The middle of nowhere comment for Tuck was mainly from the perspective of off-campus career search. I wouldn't really mind spending 2 years in a beautiful town such as Hanover otherwise


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Tuck :
pros: Strong brand; Core school for tier 1 consulting firms (MBB, Deloitte); Ranked highly and balanced program
Cons: no scholarship :(; middle of nowhere; Tech recruitment is sparse. Tier 2 consulting recruitment in minimal


If you don't like Tuck's location it'd going to be a long two years there. People who end up at Tuck love it in part for it's location and what that brings to the community there.

You're right that Tuck has strong recruiting for MBB but schools can't be tops in recruiting for every single form. Most schools have their favored firms they recruit to so not having "strong" recruiting to tier 2 firms isn't a con for Tuck imo.

Have you visited any of these schools? I feel like if you're having reservations about Tuck, it's probably not the place for you -- but visiting helps sort these things out.

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Re: Ross($) vs Darden($$$) vs Tuck Vs NYU - For Consuting [#permalink] New post 31 Mar 2013, 06:45
For me, it would be between Tuck and Darden. How much money did Darden offer you? Also, I'd have to disagree with the statement that Darden's MBB placement on a per-capita basis is low. Among the top companies where students interned last year were McKinsey (14), Bain (7), and BCG (11), which is impressive by yourself and even more impressive when you realize those three firms hire more students for full-time employment than internships.
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Re: Ross($) vs Darden($$$) vs Tuck Vs NYU - For Consuting [#permalink] New post 31 Mar 2013, 06:55
Thanks, kingfalcon.

Darden gave me a full tuition waiver.

It is true that there is not a big difference in terms of per capita MBB recruiting between Ross and Darden.

But when you add Deloitte, Booz, PWC, ATK etc into the mix, Ross seems to be significantly better. I could be wrong.

In fact, the above point is the main reason I am still looking at Ross since this would be my plan b, before i get into plan c which is high tech :)



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Re: Ross($) vs Darden($$$) vs Tuck Vs NYU - For Consuting [#permalink] New post 31 Mar 2013, 08:29
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Thanks, kingfalcon.

Darden gave me a full tuition waiver.

It is true that there is not a big difference in terms of per capita MBB recruiting between Ross and Darden.

But when you add Deloitte, Booz, PWC, ATK etc into the mix, Ross seems to be significantly better. I could be wrong.

In fact, the above point is the main reason I am still looking at Ross since this would be my plan b, before i get into plan c which is high tech :)



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For me, it would be between Tuck and Darden. How much money did Darden offer you? Also, I'd have to disagree with the statement that Darden's MBB placement on a per-capita basis is low. Among the top companies where students interned last year were McKinsey (14), Bain (7), and BCG (11), which is impressive by yourself and even more impressive when you realize those three firms hire more students for full-time employment than internships.

Personally, if I were in your shoes, I wouldn't even be considering Ross. Darden and Ross are unquestionably peer schools; with Darden offering so much more money, it makes the decision easy. Honestly, I'd strongly considering taking the Darden offer over Tuck with no money, too.
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Re: Ross($) vs Darden($$$) vs Tuck Vs NYU - For Consuting [#permalink] New post 31 Mar 2013, 08:55
Thanks for your view, Kingfalcon. I have to admit that I would love nothing more than going to a good school without the burden of a big loan. But, with freedom of choice, my mind is playing games with me :)

Looks like there are not many takers for Ross here ?



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inception1003 wrote:
Thanks, kingfalcon.

Darden gave me a full tuition waiver.

It is true that there is not a big difference in terms of per capita MBB recruiting between Ross and Darden.

But when you add Deloitte, Booz, PWC, ATK etc into the mix, Ross seems to be significantly better. I could be wrong.

In fact, the above point is the main reason I am still looking at Ross since this would be my plan b, before i get into plan c which is high tech :)



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For me, it would be between Tuck and Darden. How much money did Darden offer you? Also, I'd have to disagree with the statement that Darden's MBB placement on a per-capita basis is low. Among the top companies where students interned last year were McKinsey (14), Bain (7), and BCG (11), which is impressive by yourself and even more impressive when you realize those three firms hire more students for full-time employment than internships.

Personally, if I were in your shoes, I wouldn't even be considering Ross. Darden and Ross are unquestionably peer schools; with Darden offering so much more money, it makes the decision easy. Honestly, I'd strongly considering taking the Darden offer over Tuck with no money, too.
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Re: Ross($) vs Darden($$$) vs Tuck Vs NYU - For Consuting [#permalink] New post 31 Mar 2013, 09:10
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Looks like there are not many takers for Ross here ?



Not with a full-ride from Darden on the table. I didn't apply to Ross, but I interviewed at Darden and it's a great program. Better weather in Charlottesville than Ann Arbor too!
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Re: Ross($) vs Darden($$$) vs Tuck Vs NYU - For Consuting [#permalink] New post 31 Mar 2013, 19:54
Hard to argue against the statement about the weather :-D

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Looks like there are not many takers for Ross here ?



Not with a full-ride from Darden on the table. I didn't apply to Ross, but I interviewed at Darden and it's a great program. Better weather in Charlottesville than Ann Arbor too!
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Looks like there are not many takers for Ross here ?



Not with a full-ride from Darden on the table. I didn't apply to Ross, but I interviewed at Darden and it's a great program. Better weather in Charlottesville than Ann Arbor too!


I agree with this. Ross would be out of question for me as well if Darden offered a hefty scholarship. I'd exclude Stern as well.

My decision would have been between Darden and Tuck. And, I'd probably would have gone with Darden in the end for the following reasons:

1.) $$$ vs Debt
2.) Tuck is a small school in the middle of no where. If you do not have a chance to visit, I'm not sure you will be able to completely capture the essence of the campus/town environment, which might trouble you once you are in the school. It might not be worth the risk.
3.) Mentioning the $$$ on resume might help you in recruitment as well at Darden.

Reciprocate the love Darden is showing :)

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Re: Ross($) vs Darden($$$) vs Tuck Vs NYU - For Consuting [#permalink] New post 31 Mar 2013, 23:06
I voted for Darden. With a full-ride and the year on year stellar recruiting from top MC firms, I think it's a no-brainer.
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Re: Ross($) vs Darden($$$) vs Tuck Vs NYU - For Consuting [#permalink] New post 01 Apr 2013, 00:58
Appreciate your inputs... Thanks

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Looks like there are not many takers for Ross here ?



Not with a full-ride from Darden on the table. I didn't apply to Ross, but I interviewed at Darden and it's a great program. Better weather in Charlottesville than Ann Arbor too!


I agree with this. Ross would be out of question for me as well if Darden offered a hefty scholarship. I'd exclude Stern as well.

My decision would have been between Darden and Tuck. And, I'd probably would have gone with Darden in the end for the following reasons:

1.) $$$ vs Debt
2.) Tuck is a small school in the middle of no where. If you do not have a chance to visit, I'm not sure you will be able to completely capture the essence of the campus/town environment, which might trouble you once you are in the school. It might not be worth the risk.
3.) Mentioning the $$$ on resume might help you in recruitment as well at Darden.

Reciprocate the love Darden is showing :)

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Re: Ross($) vs Darden($$$) vs Tuck Vs NYU - For Consuting [#permalink] New post 01 Apr 2013, 05:39
I have updated my post with $$$ from Stern. Does this change anything ?

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Re: Ross($) vs Darden($$$) vs Tuck Vs NYU - For Consuting [#permalink] New post 01 Apr 2013, 05:44
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I have updated my post with $$$ from Stern. Does this change anything :) ?


Depends - is that a full-ride from Stern? I
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Re: Ross($) vs Darden($$$) vs Tuck Vs NYU - For Consuting [#permalink] New post 01 Apr 2013, 05:45
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I have updated my post with $$$ from Stern. Does this change anything :) ?

Not really, no. Darden/Tuck place a much higher percentage of their grads in consulting and Darden in particular is in a much less expensive location in terms of cost of living. Now, had you said you were dead-set on living in NYC after school, my stance would be different.
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I have updated my post with $$$ from Stern. Does this change anything :) ?


Depends - is that a full-ride from Stern? I

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Re: Ross($) vs Darden($$$) vs Tuck Vs NYU - For Consuting [#permalink] New post 01 Apr 2013, 05:57
Thanks, kingfalcon.

I was told during my interview that consulting is now the biggest recruiter at Stern in terms of % of students .
Maybe it is a whole bunch of niche consulting firms based out of NY.
It wouldn't hurt to live in NY after my MBA, though that is not a top aspiration for me.

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I have updated my post with $$$ from Stern. Does this change anything :) ?

Not really, no. Darden/Tuck place a much higher percentage of their grads in consulting and Darden in particular is in a much less expensive location in terms of cost of living. Now, had you said you were dead-set on living in NYC after school, my stance would be different.
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Re: Ross($) vs Darden($$$) vs Tuck Vs NYU - For Consuting [#permalink] New post 01 Apr 2013, 06:59
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I have updated my post with $$$ from Stern. Does this change anything :) ?


Still Darden for me! They both are peers, but Darden's consulting recruitment is definitely better than NYU's. And as KF pointed out, NYU would turn out to be more expensive than Darden.
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