Find all School-related info fast with the new School-Specific MBA Forum

It is currently 22 Oct 2014, 22:51

Close

GMAT Club Daily Prep

Thank you for using the timer - this advanced tool can estimate your performance and suggest more practice questions. We have subscribed you to Daily Prep Questions via email.

Customized
for You

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History

Track
Your Progress

every week, we’ll send you an estimated GMAT score based on your performance

Practice
Pays

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History

Not interested in getting valuable practice questions and articles delivered to your email? No problem, unsubscribe here.

Events & Promotions

Events & Promotions in June
Open Detailed Calendar

Round 3 (and waitlisted) Longshot

  Question banks Downloads My Bookmarks Reviews Important topics  
Author Message
TAGS:
14 KUDOS received
Current Student
avatar
Joined: 30 Jan 2010
Posts: 254
Location: United States
Concentration: Strategy, Organizational Behavior
Schools: Chicago Booth - Class of 2015
GMAT 1: 770 Q50 V44
WE: Project Management (Real Estate)
Followers: 8

Kudos [?]: 91 [14] , given: 69

Round 3 (and waitlisted) Longshot [#permalink] New post 07 May 2014, 00:17
14
This post received
KUDOS
1
This post was
BOOKMARKED
I'm just finishing my 1st year at Chicago Booth. It seems like a long time ago that I was going through the application process, but it's only been a year.

Stats
GPA: sub-3.0 from a top-25 national university, top-10 engineering program
Engineering background
GMAT: 770 (50Q, 44V)
WE: Construction engineering, project management - 7 years at matric.
ECs: some volunteering, recruiting lead for my firm, 10 year+ commitment to fraternity as President, Chapter Advisor, Alumni Club Prez
Schools: Booth, Kellogg, Ross, Fuqua

Deciding on Business School
I knew (or thought I knew) early on that I wanted an MBA to nebulously "move into the business side of things," whatever that meant. I took the GMAT and asked my firm to sponsor me through the USC Marshall or UCLA Anderson p/t programs (living in LA at the time), but they didn't bite. It ended up being a blessing, because I really had no clue what I wanted to do. They compromised and put me through an executive education (not EMBA) program at Anderson. Rather than satiating me, it whet my appetite for the real thing. At 26, I was the youngest in my class of 35... by far. Hearing stories from senior folks in a wide range of industries made me realize how narrow my career focus had been and prompted me to take a hard look at where I wanted to be.

After a lot of research and informal chats with people in my extended network, I found that consulting (with a focus on strategy) was incredibly appealing. In construction, I enjoyed the early stage problem-solving, but not necessarily seeing projects through to completion. Consulting seemed like a great way to focus on those skills, so I started networking like crazy to try to find a way to break in as a lateral hire. I knew I wanted a generalist/strategy role and, after 6 months of hard networking, I ended up with interviews at 2 of 3 MBB. Having never practiced a live case before, I bombed my first interviews with the first firm spectacularly. In the weeks that followed, I busted my butt and passed two rounds with another of the firms. I walked out of my final round feeling pretty good about my chances, but it wasn't to be. The feedback I got was that I was solid across the board, but lacked a spike/wow factor. I was also told that 7 years WE with no advanced degree was an awkward fit; too old for BA/A/AC, but lacked the skills for A/C/C. That settled it; time to get an MBA.

Narrowing down the schools
In the midst of consulting recruiting, my wife and I moved from LA to Chicago, partly for personal reasons and partly for her career (I was obviously not enamored of my then-current situation). These were my screens:
1. Consulting firm recruiting/placement (focus on MBB) -> Most top 15-20
2. Geography. We had just moved to Chicago and wanted to stay/end up here. -> Booth, Kellogg, and Ross
3. Crap. Those are all near-top-10 schools. Let's broaden the scope a bit. -> Fuqua

By the time the dust settled on the move and getting dinged by MBB, there were 2 weeks left until the R2 deadline, and I knew that I couldn't pull it together that quickly. With my focus on the R3 date, I lined up visits to Booth, Kellogg, and Ross. All 3 visits gave me great insight into what the programs were looking and confirmed that I would fit it. Surprisingly, my top choice switched from Kellogg to Booth, post-visits. Having attended a large u/g with a proud athletic tradition and penchant for annoying most other schools with our intensity, I felt that Kellogg was to rah-rah for me. Having enjoyed u/g too much (see GPA above), Booth's reputed rigor was very appealing. That said, I was hoping for table scraps in R3, and would have been ecstatic about either. Ross too, for that matter.

Applying
First, I plugged all pertinent dates into my calendar, then broke down each application into component tasks in Outlook. Next I took a hard look at my profile to identify strengths and weaknesses. GMAT and WE (length and promos) were huge plusses. EC's were solid (great depth, lacked breadth). GPA was miserable. Because I was focused on a specific outcome (consulting) and my WE was solid, I wasn't worried about personal statement type essays or my recs, but knew I needed to address the GPA at every turn. I played up the exec ed program at Anderson (won 2 case comps), had a CEO-classmate of mine write a reco, and devoted my optional essay to grades. I un-apologetically said that I had been an immature 18-year who cut loose a bit too much in college after earning straight A's from 3rd grade through high school. I said that my rapid career progression, exec program, and earning interviews at prestigious firms showed that I had moved past those days.

Interviews
By this time, I had mid-decision dates in my calendar and was locked onto the GC, BTG, and WSO forums. The schedule for R3 is pretty compressed but it felt like an eternity waiting to hear. Fuqua was first: DING. Well, that's that. If they don't want me, there is no way the higher ranked schools will. But still, I clung to hope. The days that I got the invites from Booth, Kellogg, and Ross were truly triumphant, "so you're telling me there's a chance." The Kellogg alumni interview was first. I prepped hard, turned on the charm, and got zero warm-fuzzies from the interviewer. She was an exec recruiter in a related industry and seemed fixated on what I would do if I wasn't admitted. Not a good sign. Next was Ross. There is no feeling worse that waking up to your wife's alarm at 6:15am, when you have a 6:30am flight to catch. After a bit of scrambling, I poured myself into a rental car and floored it from Chicago to Ann Arbor in under 3 hours. Both interviews (Ross and Tauber) went very well. I drove to DTW, turned in my car, and got obliterated at the bar with some Redbox marketing folks (free vouchers for me). Last, but certainly not least, was Booth. I left the office, went to my wife's, changed in her firms restroom and cabbed it down to Hyde Park. The interview was amazing. I really found my groove talking to a 2Y student and, by the end, were swapping stories from Thursday Night Drinking Club. If the interviews were supposed to be about fit, I liked my odds.

Decision Time
Duke was first. Officially a ding, no surprise there since they didn't interview me. Ross and Kellogg next, same day. I got the call from Ross, and was ecstatic. It was suddenly real. Since I only applied to schools that I would absolutely attend, that sealed the deal. I was getting an MBA, but where? The hours passed, the gmatclubbers stressed, and no call came from Kellogg. I logged in the next day to confirm my fate. To my surprise, I'd been waitlisted. Considering the alternative and the fact that I had Ross locked up, I wasn't too upset. In fact, it gave me a glimmer of hope for Booth, where my interview had been stronger. I affirmed my WL invite and called to set a call with my Adcom. Eight days later, I was waiting for the call from Booth, but it never came. Logged in the next morning... BOOM...WL again. I was pretty bummed this time, but forced my self to focus on the fact that I had two R3, M7, WL spots in the city I already lived in.

Waitlist
WL strategy could be another thread in itself. In fact, I've posted pretty extensively on it elsewhere and, at some point, will copy-paste it here. the short version is that my wife and I were willing to wait almost indefinitely for Booth or Kellogg. The decision tree was simple. If Booth lets me in, go there. If Kellogg lets me in, wait a week to see what Booth does, then go to Kellogg. If neither, go to Ross. I was re-WL'ed at both sometime in early June and then summer-WL'ed in early July.

We went to the Ross admit weekend, locked up housing in AA, applied for loans, and worked through pretty much all of the other enrollment checklist. Then one day, something exciting happened. I missed a call from a vaguely familiar phone number, a Kellogg one. It was a Thursday afternoon and I bolted out of the office to return the voicemail, because adcom calls are always good news, right? That particular adcom had left for vacation and no one else could help me. I sweated it out for 5 days, cautiously optimistic that thing were going to break my way. When we finally touched bases, Kellogg offered me a choice: admission to the p/t program or to stay on the WL. I had let my hopes get up and was crushed. I was also annoyed, but very graciously opted to stay on the WL.

Fast forward two weeks. It's a Friday afternoon, one week of work left, boxes are packed, movers are booked, and it's t-minus 8 days to Ann Arbor. I've come to terms with everything and am thrilled about starting at Ross. At 2:59pm, I dial into a conference call that I'm hosting with some big wheel prospective clients. Then the unthinkable happens. My cell rings... 773-702-4... "holy shit, that's a Booth number. What do I do?" I hit the ignore button (had to), suffered through the slowest 20-minute conference call ever, and dashed to the alley to check my VM. The VM gave no hints just, "Please call us back." After going down this road with Kellogg, I tried to keep it together. Luckily the adcom answered immediately and opened with "Congratulations!" I don't actually remember much of the rest of the call. There were some mumbled thank-you's and aboslutely's. I had a few drinks with the wife that night and began unwinding our plans in Michigan. We scrambled to find housing on few days' notice in Chicago, but none of that mattered. I was headed to my dream school.

The saga continues
Maybe another time, I'll add my experience as a 1Y at Booth. The short version is that it's amazing and has far exceeded my high expectations. I've made phenomenal friends and had experiences I never though possible including"
-Toasting champagne and taking a selfie with Nobel Laureates after their press conference
-Seeing David Booth, Hank Paulson, Ben Bernanke, and a slew of others in the flesh.
-Going to a private show/rave headlined by White Panda during Ski Trip in Steamboat Springs, CO
Recruiting went well too, and I'm headed to my top choice consulting firm (the one I bombed out of a year ago) for the summer. Can't wait to see what the next 13.5 months bring...

PS - It's late and I haven't proofread. Please go easy on the spelling and grammar. I can English, promise.

Last edited by brandon432 on 07 May 2014, 10:19, edited 3 times in total.
Kaplan GMAT Prep Discount CodesKnewton GMAT Discount CodesManhattan GMAT Discount Codes
BSchool Forum Moderator
User avatar
Status: Current Tuckie!
Joined: 19 Oct 2012
Posts: 511
Location: United Kingdom
Schools: Tuck '16 (M)
GMAT 1: 710 Q50 V36
GMAT 2: 740 Q48 V44
Followers: 22

Kudos [?]: 162 [0], given: 101

GMAT ToolKit User Premium Member
Re: Round 3 (and waitlisted) Longshot [#permalink] New post 07 May 2014, 03:56
Great story Brandon. You are an inspiration for those who have a low GPA!
_________________

*Updated 25th July*: Embracing the downtime
Blog: http://domotron.wordpress.com

Elements of an MBA application series
GMAT (28/02) | Profile (11/03) | Networking / Research (01/04) | Recommendations (30/05) | Essays / Online applications | Interview

My 710 (Q50, V36) Debrief + 740 (Q48, V44) Update:
http://gmatclub.com/forum/710-q50-v36-phew-i-m-done-with-the-gmat-probably-150067.html

Please share your profiles for this application season below:
http://gmatclub.com/forum/2014-profiles-w-admit-dings-results-no-discussion-162160.html

BSchool Forum Moderator
avatar
Status: busyness school student
Joined: 09 Sep 2013
Posts: 374
Location: United States
GMAT 1: 740 Q52 V38
Followers: 8

Kudos [?]: 207 [0], given: 129

Premium Member
Re: Round 3 (and waitlisted) Longshot [#permalink] New post 07 May 2014, 03:57
Thanks for sharing! I hope to find some success with the waitlist myself...

How did your housing situation in AA work exactly? Did you sign a lease and break it losing out on some $$? What about your wife's career?
_________________

My review of some of the CAT practice exams
You can usually find me on gmatclub's chat.

Current Student
avatar
Joined: 30 Jan 2010
Posts: 254
Location: United States
Concentration: Strategy, Organizational Behavior
Schools: Chicago Booth - Class of 2015
GMAT 1: 770 Q50 V44
WE: Project Management (Real Estate)
Followers: 8

Kudos [?]: 91 [0], given: 69

Re: Round 3 (and waitlisted) Longshot [#permalink] New post 07 May 2014, 04:27
The AA housing market is a little unusual in my experience. Most places require a reservation fee (often ~1 mo rent) to hold the unit, but don't ask you to sign the lease until close to move-in day. If every goes to plan, the reservation is applied to your first/last/deposit. In our case, we burned it, but didn't actually break a lease. All-in, we spent ~$5k towards a future in AA.

My wife had gotten approval to work remotely when we moved to AA. That was pretty easy to unravel.

Posted from my mobile device Image
1 KUDOS received
Current Student
avatar
Joined: 09 Aug 2012
Posts: 11
Concentration: Finance, Leadership
GMAT 1: 740 Q50 V40
GMAT 2: 770 Q50 V45
GPA: 3.6
Followers: 1

Kudos [?]: 15 [1] , given: 7

Re: Round 3 (and waitlisted) Longshot [#permalink] New post 07 May 2014, 05:47
1
This post received
KUDOS
You, sir, are bada**. Can I get your autograph this fall?
Current Student
avatar
Joined: 30 Jan 2010
Posts: 254
Location: United States
Concentration: Strategy, Organizational Behavior
Schools: Chicago Booth - Class of 2015
GMAT 1: 770 Q50 V44
WE: Project Management (Real Estate)
Followers: 8

Kudos [?]: 91 [0], given: 69

Re: Round 3 (and waitlisted) Longshot [#permalink] New post 07 May 2014, 10:19
skyelitez wrote:
You, sir, are bada**. Can I get your autograph this fall?


Pm'ed you
Current Student
avatar
Joined: 13 Jan 2013
Posts: 146
Followers: 1

Kudos [?]: 33 [0], given: 43

Re: Round 3 (and waitlisted) Longshot [#permalink] New post 07 May 2014, 12:31
Thanks for sharing! It's great to know there can be great endings after getting waitlisted, really needed it since I'm on 3 waitlists right now and am hoping for good news this month.
VP
VP
avatar
Joined: 23 Mar 2011
Posts: 1101
Followers: 73

Kudos [?]: 448 [0], given: 454

Premium Member CAT Tests
Re: Round 3 (and waitlisted) Longshot [#permalink] New post 07 May 2014, 14:29
Although I knew some of it from our conversations, this reads great!
The admit to Booth despite submitting an R3 application, low GPA and being on the waitlist, is something superb! Also, congratulations on the successful recruitment season.
Current Student
avatar
Joined: 30 Dec 2013
Posts: 8
Location: United States
Concentration: Operations, Leadership
GMAT 1: 640 Q35 V41
GPA: 3
WE: Operations (Transportation)
Followers: 0

Kudos [?]: 5 [0], given: 0

Re: Round 3 (and waitlisted) Longshot [#permalink] New post 07 May 2014, 22:06
Thank you for posting this.

This is an incredible board and community, but the biggest problem here is once the members go through all the steps of getting into a program and finally reach campus, they stop posting. Obviously, they are busy, focused on their new program and their coming careers. Without these retrospective posts, its hard to get the perspective some of us need while buried in applications, interviews and worry. Only those who have been through it can write with the authority and requisite distance from the process to really bring everything into focus.
Current Student
avatar
Joined: 30 Jan 2010
Posts: 254
Location: United States
Concentration: Strategy, Organizational Behavior
Schools: Chicago Booth - Class of 2015
GMAT 1: 770 Q50 V44
WE: Project Management (Real Estate)
Followers: 8

Kudos [?]: 91 [0], given: 69

Re: Round 3 (and waitlisted) Longshot [#permalink] New post 08 May 2014, 08:47
You're welcome. I found the entire process to be far more mystifying and opaque than it needs to be. Just trying to shed a little light.

Same for recruiting, but that's a topic for another day...
1 KUDOS received
Current Student
avatar
Joined: 15 Mar 2013
Posts: 66
Concentration: Finance
GMAT 1: 730 Q49 V41
Followers: 0

Kudos [?]: 25 [1] , given: 25

Re: Round 3 (and waitlisted) Longshot [#permalink] New post 12 May 2014, 08:29
1
This post received
KUDOS
Inspiring and triumphant tale.

Looking forward to joining you this upcoming fall. Just paid my deposit and informed my job this morning, so am currently extra excited!
Re: Round 3 (and waitlisted) Longshot   [#permalink] 12 May 2014, 08:29
    Similar topics Author Replies Last post
Similar
Topics:
Experts publish their posts in the topic Round 3 or Round 1? CriticalSquare 0 07 Jan 2014, 10:49
Waitlisted at UNC R3 JMU05 1 20 Mar 2012, 07:52
Experts publish their posts in the topic Rejection and Waitlist Analyses, Round 1 - Post Here ShellyLWatts 1 19 Dec 2010, 08:24
Experts publish their posts in the topic Round 3 vs Round 2? jimjohn 4 21 Dec 2009, 09:36
Experts publish their posts in the topic borderline applicant or longshot? wisdom seeker 2 07 Dec 2005, 14:11
Display posts from previous: Sort by

Round 3 (and waitlisted) Longshot

  Question banks Downloads My Bookmarks Reviews Important topics  


cron

GMAT Club MBA Forum Home| About| Privacy Policy| Terms and Conditions| GMAT Club Rules| Contact| Sitemap

Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group and phpBB SEO

Kindly note that the GMAT® test is a registered trademark of the Graduate Management Admission Council®, and this site has neither been reviewed nor endorsed by GMAC®.