Find all School-related info fast with the new School-Specific MBA Forum

It is currently 23 May 2013, 07:04
Customize  |  Hide

S is a set of integers such that i) if a in in S, then -a is

  Question banks Downloads My Bookmarks Reviews  
Author Message
TAGS:
Manager
Manager
User avatar
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Posts: 64
Location: Singapore
Followers: 1

Kudos [?]: 0 [0], given: 0

S is a set of integers such that i) if a in in S, then -a is [#permalink] New post 24 Jan 2004, 03:06
00:00

Question Stats:

0% (00:00) correct 0% (00:00) wrong based on 0 sessions
S is a set of integers such that
i) if a in in S, then -a is in S
ii) if each of a and b are in S, then ab is in S.
Is -4 is S

1) 1 is in S
2) 2 is in S
Manager
Manager
User avatar
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Posts: 64
Location: Singapore
Followers: 1

Kudos [?]: 0 [0], given: 0

 [#permalink] New post 24 Jan 2004, 06:15
Answer B.

They have assumed that a and b can be the same number. Subsitutue a=b=2.
Senior Manager
Senior Manager
Joined: 11 Nov 2003
Posts: 361
Location: Illinois
Followers: 1

Kudos [?]: 0 [0], given: 0

GMAT Tests User
 [#permalink] New post 26 Jan 2004, 13:38
The correct reasoning is as follows:

statemenet 2 says that 2 is in S. This will lead to the conclusion that -2 is in S. So we know that 2 (=a)as well as -2(=b) are in S. So ab = -4 is in S. Thus the second statement is suffecient.

Answer B.
SVP
SVP
User avatar
Joined: 16 Oct 2003
Posts: 1957
Followers: 2

Kudos [?]: 14 [0], given: 0

GMAT Tests User
 [#permalink] New post 28 Jan 2004, 22:38
ashwyns wrote:
Answer B.

They have assumed that a and b can be the same number. Subsitutue a=b=2.


If they have assumed that a and b are the same number than they can also assume that a and b are not the same number

I bellieve E is my final answer
SVP
SVP
User avatar
Joined: 16 Oct 2003
Posts: 1957
Followers: 2

Kudos [?]: 14 [0], given: 0

GMAT Tests User
 [#permalink] New post 28 Jan 2004, 22:39
gmatblast wrote:
The correct reasoning is as follows:

statemenet 2 says that 2 is in S. This will lead to the conclusion that -2 is in S. So we know that 2 (=a)as well as -2(=b) are in S. So ab = -4 is in S. Thus the second statement is suffecient.

Answer B.


How did you make b = -2. I did not understand the logic.
Senior Manager
Senior Manager
Joined: 11 Nov 2003
Posts: 361
Location: Illinois
Followers: 1

Kudos [?]: 0 [0], given: 0

GMAT Tests User
 [#permalink] New post 01 Feb 2004, 20:25
Bhai wrote:
gmatblast wrote:
The correct reasoning is as follows:

statemenet 2 says that 2 is in S. This will lead to the conclusion that -2 is in S. So we know that 2 (=a)as well as -2(=b) are in S. So ab = -4 is in S. Thus the second statement is suffecient.

Answer B.


How did you make b = -2. I did not understand the logic.


Bhai

I am not sure if it caused any confusion when I referred to statement 2. In the problem statement we are given TWO characteristics of set S.

Then we are given two statements to do the suffeciency test.

Now question: Is -4 in S?

STATEMENT 1 : 1 is in S

let us apply both the characteristics one by one

Applying the first characteristics:

1 is in S => -1 is in S

So S = {1, -1} right?

Now apply the second characteritics

We know that 1 and -1 are member of S. so based on second charactreistics, (1)(-1) = -1 should be in S. But this does not add any value because we already know that -1 is member oF S.

So after applying both the characteristics, statement 1 does nt say anything about numbers other than 1 and -1. So other numbers could be memebrs of S or they could not be. We do not know. So statement 1 INSUFFICIENT.

STATEMENT 2 : 2 is in S

Again let us use both the given characterisics of S one by one.

Applying the first characteristic:

2 is in S => -2 is in S

So we now know that S = {2, -2} CORRECT?

Now apply the second characteristic

We know that 2 and -2 are members of S. so based on second charactreistics, (2)(-2) = -4 is in S.

So this answers the question in YES. So statement 2 is SUFFECIENT.

Note that we can further conclude that since -4 is in S, +4 is in S as well. (based on the first characteristic). Now we can also say that since +4 and -4 are in S (4)(-4) = -16 is in S (based on second characteristic). This will be never ending cycle. Of course for this problem, we need to stop as soon as we identified that -4 is the member of S.

Hope this helps.
  [#permalink] 01 Feb 2004, 20:25
    Similar topics Author Replies Last post
Similar
Topics:
New posts S is a set of integers such that i) if a is in S, then chihao 2 04 Nov 2003, 17:52
Popular new posts S is a set of integers such that i) if a is in S, then a is ritledge 13 11 Apr 2005, 17:15
New posts S is a set of integers such that i) if a is in S, then a is Rupstar 4 26 Apr 2005, 07:36
Popular new posts S is a set of integers such that i) if a is in S, then a is amansingla4 10 03 May 2006, 06:31
New posts S is a set of integers such that i) if a is in S, then a is freetheking 6 01 Aug 2006, 11:50
Display posts from previous: Sort by

S is a set of integers such that i) if a in in S, then -a is

  Question banks Downloads My Bookmarks Reviews  


cron

GMAT Club MBA Forum Home| About| Privacy Policy| Terms and Conditions| GMAT Club Rules| Contact| Sitemap

Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group and phpBB SEO

Kindly note that the GMAT® test is a registered trademark of the Graduate Management Admission Council®, and this site has neither been reviewed nor endorsed by GMAC®.