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Re: S is a set of integers [#permalink]
11 Oct 2012, 23:17
Bunuel wrote:
bohdan01 wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
S is a set of integers such that i) if a is in S, then –a is in S, and ii) if each of a and b is in S, then ab is in S. Is –4 in S?
(1) 1 is in S --> according to (i) -1 is in S. Is -4 in S? We don't know. Not sufficient.
(2) 2 is in S --> according to (i) -2 is in S --> according to (ii) -2*2=-4 is in S. Sufficient.
Answer: B.
Hope it helps.
How do you know that -a = b?
We are told that: if some numbera is in S, then –a is also in S, and if each of a and b is in S, then their product, ab is also in S.
(2) says that 2 is in S, then -2 also must be in S and since both 2 and -2 are in S then their product 2*(-2)=-4 must also be in S.
Hope it's clear.
Bunuel - Im also confused, could you kindly help? (2) says that 2 is in S so this can be a or b right? So if 2 is a then -2 is -a if 2 is b then -2 is -b Aren't these mutually exclusive i.e how can we take 2 to be a and -2 to be b?
Also another way I (mistakenly) interpret the statements as if 2 (a or b) is in set then b (or a) can be any nos in the set? for example 5 then we cant get -4
Re: S is a set of integers [#permalink]
11 Oct 2012, 23:30
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(2) says that 2 is in S so this can be a or b right? So if 2 is a then -2 is -a if 2 is b then -2 is -b Aren't these mutually exclusive i.e how can we take 2 to be a and -2 to be b?
Also another way I (mistakenly) interpret the statements as if 2 (a or b) is in set then b (or a) can be any nos in the set? for example 5 then we cant get -4
please help!
cheers
------------------ S is a set of integers such that i) if a is in S, then –a is in S, and ii) if each of a and b is in S, then ab is in S.
It doesn't matter what you call the number. i) States that if a number is in S, then its opposite is also in S. Meaning, if 1 is in S, then -1 is also in S. If -3 is in S, then -(-3) = 3 is also in S. ii) States that if two numbers are in S, then their product is also in S. Doesn't matter even the two numbers are equal. For example, if 2 is in S, then 2*2 = 4 is also in S. If 2 and -2 are in S, then 2*(-2) = 4 is also in S, 2*4 = 8, -2*4 = -8,... _________________
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Re: S is a set of integers [#permalink]
11 Oct 2012, 23:47
EvaJager wrote:
(2) says that 2 is in S so this can be a or b right? So if 2 is a then -2 is -a if 2 is b then -2 is -b Aren't these mutually exclusive i.e how can we take 2 to be a and -2 to be b?
Also another way I (mistakenly) interpret the statements as if 2 (a or b) is in set then b (or a) can be any nos in the set? for example 5 then we cant get -4
please help!
cheers
------------------ S is a set of integers such that i) if a is in S, then –a is in S, and ii) if each of a and b is in S, then ab is in S.
It doesn't matter what you call the number. i) States that if a number is in S, then its opposite is also in S. Meaning, if 1 is in S, then -1 is also in S. If -3 is in S, then -(-3) = 3 is also in S. ii) States that if two numbers are in S, then their product is also in S. Doesn't matter even the two numbers are equal. For example, if 2 is in S, then 2*2 = 4 is also in S. If 2 and -2 are in S, then 2*(-2) = 4 is also in S, 2*4 = 8, -2*4 = -8,...
ahhh.. I guess i didn't give enf credit to stipulated conditions It says ii) if EACH of a and b is in S, then ab is in S.
So for ANY A or B in the set then a*b in the set so we definitely know 2 and -2 are in the set hence we are Good.....
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26 Dec 2013, 13:58
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I am a little confused with this one . In stmt A ) i get the elements in the set as 1 and -1 ... i did not find 12 so i thought the Set S has only two elements .. hence We could answer the question that 12 is not present in the set ?
However later on i saw that this is not sufficient to answer the question how can 12 be present in the set with Stmt 1 yields on two values 1 , -1 ?
I am a little confused with this one . In stmt A ) i get the elements in the set as 1 and -1 ... i did not find 12 so i thought the Set S has only two elements .. hence We could answer the question that 12 is not present in the set ?
However later on i saw that this is not sufficient to answer the question how can 12 be present in the set with Stmt 1 yields on two values 1 , -1 ?
Thanks and Regards , Sheldon Rodrigues
1 and -1 may NOT be the only numbers in S. S could contain a whole bunch of other numbers. For example, the set could be: {..., -5, -4, -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, ...} {..., -5, -3, -1, 1, 3, 5, ...}
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