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Salary increase conundrum [#permalink] New post 27 Feb 2007, 03:21
Since most of us here are in waiting mode now, I thought I'd pose a question and solicit some advice.

I went into the new HR manager's office today and he asked me how happy I was with my current situation. I told him that things were fine except for my salary which I believe is extremely low and that I am frankly embarassed by how low it is.

Apparently, our company has finally realized that our pay scales are not in line with industry standards and management has decided to implement drastic pay revisions. However, due to my direct manager's rather big mouth, the news of my leaving for an MBA has spread among the higher-ups in the company.

The HR manager then told me that he would not be able to justify a pay increase for me since I will be leaving in a few months. I mentioned that there is nothing concrete yet as I am yet to get admitted. I also told him that it was quite unfair to use this against me since I could easily have not informed anyone of my intention to leave up until my 30-day notice period.

He then offered me a huge increase on my salary (close to 80% increase, it was reaaaaally low) and said "Would you stay if I gave you this?" to which I could only say "I'd consider it". But he asked for a definitive answer. Now there is no way I would put aside my MBA plans, but on the other hand, I really need all the money I can get.

What would you do if you were in my position?
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 [#permalink] New post 27 Feb 2007, 04:47
Screw your firm. Couple of reasons.

1) Trying to blackmail first (since you are leaving you get nothing)

2) Treating a single individual in a manner inconsistent with common practice or stated policy constitutes discrimination and its fun bags illegal. Please tell me there was some kind of formal communication about reviewing and increasing all people's salaries? I'd have a field day with your HR lady. At least in the US anyway.

3) And when that fails, trying to bribe you

You know what the appropriate response from them would have been?

"We know you are pursuing your MBA and may well leave us in the next few months. I hope you don't, but if you do we would love to bring you back after you complete your degree. In the interim, we are raising all our employees salaries to more appropriate market levels, including yours. You've done good work and we want to make sure you are happy here if you chose not to pursue your MBA at this stage."


So what would I do?

I'd take the money. It's not like its a huge lump sum right up front - its not a bonus you are paying back. Were talking about a few thousand dollars a month for a few months - that's not exactly a major expense for them.

If you do get into an MBA program, then you leave. Who cares at that point? They might, but you wont.

If you don't get into an MBA program, you didn't turn down a frickin 80% raise
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 [#permalink] New post 27 Feb 2007, 05:53
I wouldn't burn any bridges before heading off to school. I don't get why it's a big deal for the company to just give you the raise regardless, if you stay, then everyone's happy, if you leave, then they're out a few grand, shouldn't be a big deal for them.

Sounds like the HR person is a real jackass. I would somehow try to bring the salary negotiation up again and say, "Look, there's a possibility I may go to business school, but let's completely set that aside for now and discuss my salary based on the merit of my work and my professional reputation."
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 [#permalink] New post 27 Feb 2007, 07:19
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I wouldn't burn any bridges before heading off to school. I don't get why it's a big deal for the company to just give you the raise regardless, if you stay, then everyone's happy, if you leave, then they're out a few grand, shouldn't be a big deal for them.

Sounds like the HR person is a real jackass. I would somehow try to bring the salary negotiation up again and say, "Look, there's a possibility I may go to business school, but let's completely set that aside for now and discuss my salary based on the merit of my work and my professional reputation."


Well put. Exactly what I was trying to say in my sleepy mode. Thats why I said to take the money and let that be that.
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 [#permalink] New post 27 Feb 2007, 07:34
Well, as you said johnny, the HR guy is a real dick. He just joined and I think he's trying to make his impact felt quickly.

The thing with taking the money is I'd basically have to tell him that I've decided not to go to b-school and want to stay on. I didn't want to resort to lying, but I think his methods warrant a little fib. And yes, if I don't get in anywhere, then I'm not lying at all.
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 [#permalink] New post 27 Feb 2007, 07:40
Where are you located? As Rhyme said, it would be illegal for them to pay you less just because you're leaving. Just take it up with that person's manager.
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 [#permalink] New post 27 Feb 2007, 07:45
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Where are you located? As Rhyme said, it would be illegal for them to pay you less just because you're leaving. Just take it up with that person's manager.


I'm in Dubai, so I'm not sure how strict the laws are about these things here. But I work for an American firm so if I do need to play it dirty then it will have to go to the higher-ups.

This is what pisses me off about HR people in general, it's like they're evaluated on how to best rape their employees.
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 [#permalink] New post 27 Feb 2007, 09:02
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Well, as you said johnny, the HR guy is a real dick. He just joined and I think he's trying to make his impact felt quickly.

The thing with taking the money is I'd basically have to tell him that I've decided not to go to b-school and want to stay on. I didn't want to resort to lying, but I think his methods warrant a little fib. And yes, if I don't get in anywhere, then I'm not lying at all.


I don't think this is an unreasonable thing for you to do. It's a lie yes, but it's an appropriate response to them trying to paint you into a corner.

Isn't Dubai like insanely rich anyway?

I've always wanted to visit Dubai.
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 [#permalink] New post 27 Feb 2007, 11:32
Yes, Dubai is very rich. It is however, grossly overrated as a tourist destination. I'd say come and visit it in around 2 years when it doesn't look like a big construction site. You won't need more than a week to see the whole thing 300 hotels and 50 shopping malls included.

The club scene is pretty intense, but veeeery annoyingly pretentious. Don't get me wrong, a little pretentious is nice every now and then, but when the DJ stops the music 12 times in one hour to announce that someone just ordered a $3000 bottle of champagne and then someone else outcooled him and ordered 2 and so on, it becomes a little over the top if you know what I mean.
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 [#permalink] New post 27 Feb 2007, 12:26
hosam wrote:
Yes, Dubai is very rich. It is however, grossly overrated as a tourist destination. I'd say come and visit it in around 2 years when it doesn't look like a big construction site. You won't need more than a week to see the whole thing 300 hotels and 50 shopping malls included.

The club scene is pretty intense, but veeeery annoyingly pretentious. Don't get me wrong, a little pretentious is nice every now and then, but when the DJ stops the music 12 times in one hour to announce that someone just ordered a $3000 bottle of champagne and then someone else outcooled him and ordered 2 and so on, it becomes a little over the top if you know what I mean.


Really? That would drive me nuts.
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 [#permalink] New post 27 Feb 2007, 14:18
A great advice I read somewhere here is: until you have an admit, act as if you are not going to B-school this year. That way you won't put things on hold indefinitely. So, yep, I pretty much agree with everyone else. Get the raise, see what happens later.

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 [#permalink] New post 27 Feb 2007, 15:13
I have a similar situation. I now may have the chance to drastically change jobs (with a better paycheck) within my company, but they are not sure, specially because I may leave in august and they don't want make that bet for someone that is not staying for long...
And I didn't even manage to get an interview yet...
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 [#permalink] New post 27 Feb 2007, 16:34
Today I've read a newletter I receive from careertemps.com:

"...In 25 years of recruiting - my firm, and working with other firms - I have never, ever, ever seen an accepted counter offer work in favor of the individual.

Don't, for a minute, think I am being overly dramatic. A counter offer is a complete and 100% appeal to your ego and an attempt to push your guilt button. It's unprofessional of your company to attempt it, and it's unprofessional (and ill conceived) of you to take it..."


http://www.net-temps.com/careerdev/cros ... &archive=1
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