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Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the Mohenjo-Daro excavation in Pakistan, the site of an ancient civilization that flourished at the same time as the civilizations in the Nile delta and the river valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates.

(A) that flourished at the same time as the civilizations
(B) that had flourished at the same time as had the civilizations
(C) that flourished at the same time those had
(D) flourishing at the same time as those did
(E) flourishing at the same time as those were


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Re: Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the [#permalink] New post 13 Apr 2012, 05:49
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Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the Mohenjo-Daro excavation in Pakistan, the site of an ancient civilization that flourished at the same time as the civilizations in the Nile delta and the river valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates.

(A) that flourished at the same time as the civilizations
(B) that had flourished at the same time as had the civilizations
(C) that flourished at the same time that there were with
(D) flourishing at the same time as as those did
(E) so many changes at once that confronted them in


A: ancient civilization parallel with civilization in nile : CORRECT
B: had...had...past is not required...as we are talking of a fact and fact can be told as a statement: WRONG
C: wrong...civilizations with nile delta...
D: what are those? WRONG
E: not very sure of the meaning...
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Re: Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the [#permalink] New post 15 Apr 2012, 22:51
Why is A Correct when the comparison Made in A is wrong ??(comparison between time and civilization)
a would be correct if did was used after the second comparison...

Experts please correct me if i am missing something...
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Re: Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the [#permalink] New post 21 May 2012, 11:52
in A, civilization is compared with civilization, hence correct.
also 'did' at the end is obvious as pointed out by others.

So IMO A it is!
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Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the [#permalink] New post 08 Feb 2013, 08:47
Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the Mohenjo-Daro excavation in Pakistan, the site of an ancient civilization that flourished at the same time as the civilizations in the Nile delta and the river valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates.

(A) that flourished at the same time as the civilizations
(B) that had flourished at the same time as had the civilizations
(C) that flourished at the same time that there were with
(D) flourishing at the same time as as those did
(E) flourishing at the same as those were


Shraddha,

Can you help me in understanding this question
Below is my analysis ( I could arrive at the correct answer but not very confident).
Choice A - Seems correct but do not understand the function of As. It is followed by a noun and hence should play the role of a function and not for comparison.
Choice B - Tense error
Choice C - Does not make sense
Choice D - Verb changed to modifier
Choice E - Same as D


Thanks for your help,
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Re: OG13 Q#89 [#permalink] New post 08 Feb 2013, 12:39
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Hi Sugandha,

Your analysis is great here. Just a couple of things to help you sort through the answer choices. The structure should be: X flourished at the same time as Y.

Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the Mohenjo-Daro excavation in Pakistan, the site of an ancient civilization that flourished at the same time as the civilizations in the Nile delta and the river valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates.

(A) that flourished at the same time as the civilizations
This is in the correct format outlined above
(B) that had flourished at the same time as had the civilizations
Incorrect use of the past perfect which should be used to compare two past events or for reported speech (but this second one rarely if ever comes up on the GMAT). These two civilizations flourished at the same time so the simple past is correct
(C) that flourished at the same time that there were with
What does THOSE refer to?
(D) flourishing at the same time as as those did
What does THOSE refer to?
(E) flourishing at the same as those were
What does THOSE refer to?

One thing that can help: Whenever you see pronouns replace them with the nouns that the pronoun is meant to replace. This action will force you to consider whether the pronoun is appropriate.

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Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the Mohenjo-Daro excavation in Pakistan, the site of an ancient civilization that flourished at the same time as the civilizations in the Nile delta and the river valleys of Tigris and Euphrates.

a. that flourished at the same time as the civilizations
b. that had flourished at the same time as had the civilizations
c. that flourished at the same time those had
d. flourishing at the same time as those did
e. flourishing at the same time as those were

Just one query for option d,e- is it wrong to use present participle (flourishing) for something in happened in past or we can go ahead use that
whether D will be correct if i say:

flourishing at the same time as the civilizations

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Re: Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the [#permalink] New post 13 Apr 2013, 04:07
IMO A
Mohenjo-Daro excavation in Pakistan, the site of an ancient civilization............

The phrase after the comma refers to/modifies Mohenjo-Daro and explains something about Mohenjo-daro that happened in the past so present participle cannot be used in this context.
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Re: Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the [#permalink] New post 13 Apr 2013, 04:59
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whether D will be correct if i say:

flourishing at the same time as the civilizations


no . the comparison wud have been wrong .in A ellipses is taking care of comparison because in the first part we have "that flourished" .
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Re: Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the [#permalink] New post 16 Apr 2013, 07:34
Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the Mohenjo-Daro excavation in Pakistan, the site of an ancient civilization that flourished at the same time as the civilizations in the Nile delta and the river valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates.

(A) that flourished at the same time as the civilizations
(B) that had flourished at the same time as had the civilizations
(C) that flourished at the same time those had
(D) flourishing at the same time as those did
(E) flourishing at the same time as those were

(a) - I don't understand why A is correct here. It says that Ancient Civilization flourished as the civilizations in Nile......This is nonsensical. How can a civilization flourish as other civilizations. As i understand, we need a helping verb with other civilizations too.
(b) - Use of past perfect tense is incorrect.
(c) - use of past perfect tense is incorrect.
(d) - flourishing (verb-ing form) at the same time as those did (flourish). NOT PARALLEL.
(e) - Flourishing (verb-ing form) at ..... as those were (flourishing). This is a parallel structure but verb-ing form is not appropriate to use here. Still, i think this sentence doesn't have any grammer errors.

Please clarify/explain.
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Re: Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the [#permalink] New post 16 Apr 2013, 15:17
In C, those refer to civilizations.

Consider "John is a great NFL Fan, he likes east coast teams just like those on the west coast". "Those" refer to teams just like in C refers to civilization.

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Re: Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the [#permalink] New post 18 Apr 2013, 00:14
Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the Mohenjo-Daro excavation in Pakistan, the site of an ancient civilization that flourished at the same time as the civilizations in the Nile delta and the river valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates.

(A) that flourished at the same time as the civilizations looks fine
(B) that had flourished at the same time as had the civilizations past perfect is not required
(C) that flourished at the same time those had those refers to those is incorrect
(D) flourishing at the same time as those did those did is incorrect
(E) flourishing at the same time as those were those were is incorrect
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Re: Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the [#permalink] New post 19 Apr 2013, 05:58
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Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the Mohenjo-Daro excavation in Pakistan, the site of an ancient civilization that flourished at the same time as the civilizations in the Nile delta and the river valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates.

(A) that flourished at the same time as the civilizations
(B) that had flourished at the same time as had the civilizations
(C) that flourished at the same time those had
(D) flourishing at the same time as those did
(E) flourishing at the same time as those were


Please explain your answers. Thank you in advance.




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We have two issues here.
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We are comparing the nouns, not verbs- By this I mean we are comparing the Mohenjo-Daro civilization and other civilizations. By this having a verb form like as those did in option D is ruled out.

2. we are coparing nouns in that we are comparing a singular noun Mohenjo-Daro civilization and plural noun other civilizations . The rule in MGMAT clearly states that in such type of cases the noun (in this case civilizations) has to be repeated.

We are now left with answer choice A

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Re: Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the [#permalink] New post 23 Apr 2013, 23:34
Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the Mohenjo-Daro excavation in Pakistan, the site of an ancient civilization that flourished at the same time as the civilizations in the Nile delta and the river valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates.

(A) that flourished at the same time as the civilizations
Correct.

(B) that had flourished at the same time as had the civilizations
Wrong. Past perfect is not necessary.

(C) that flourished at the same time those had
Wrong. "those" is not clear.

(D) flourishing at the same time as those did
Wrong. Not parallel.

(E) flourishing at the same time as those were
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Re: Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the [#permalink] New post 17 Jun 2013, 11:06
IF A IS ANSWER,,,DO'NT U THINK IT COMPARES FLORISHING OF THE CIVILIZATION WITH CIVILIZATION,,,,,,,,,,,,WHEREAS B DOES REMOVE THIS AMBIGUITY

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Re: Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the [#permalink] New post 08 Jul 2013, 11:51
this question is more on tense/tone that it is on parallelism....went with A
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Re: Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the [#permalink] New post 15 Aug 2013, 06:17
Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the Mohenjo-Daro excavation in Pakistan, the site of an ancient civilization that flourished at the same time as the civilizations in the Nile delta and the river valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates.

(A) that flourished at the same time as the civilizations
(B) that had flourished at the same time as had the civilizations
(C) that flourished at the same time those had
(D) flourishing at the same time as those did
(E) flourishing at the same time as those were

I think there are 2 things involved in it....

1. 1st action is threaten, 2nd action is flourished ....but in order to use PAST PERFECT something would have occurred in the PAST due to which the later happened. Since nothing happened in PAST hence simple PAST TENSE 'flourished' will be used....If you go with it A is the answer

2. As is used to compare only clauses and not nouns but choice A compares a clause(that flourished) to a noun(the civilizations). This way B is the right choice.

So answer should be F Neither of them is correct..
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Re: Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the [#permalink] New post 29 Aug 2013, 04:13
I have the same doubt regarding this question.

The OA is A, but I am not convinced.

(A) that flourished at the same time as the civilizations

It has to be:

(A) that flourished at the same time as did the civilizations

or Am I missing any grammar rule??

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I have the same doubt regarding this question.

The OA is A, but I am not convinced.

(A) that flourished at the same time as the civilizations

It has to be:

(A) that flourished at the same time as did the civilizations

or Am I missing any grammar rule??

Please comment


if this was the option then also it is not wrong:
(A) that flourished at the same time as did the civilizations

we can omit the verbs when the following condition are met:
1)we should have parallel construction involving verbs
2)verbs of both (or all if more than 2 structures are parallel) are exactly the same (in the same tense including)
3)omitting verb doesn't create ambiguity.

if above condition satisfy then we can omit the verb in ALL BUT the first.

coming to this question:
we have 2 parallel structure:
the site of an ancient civilization flourished
at the same time as
the civilizations in the Nile delta and the river valleys flourished.
or
DID the civilizations in the Nile delta and the river valleys


Now we can see all three condition are meeting.
so we can omit verb from 2nd parallel structure.
hope this much is clear.

similar simple example:
francis ran faster than xavier ran.
francis ran faster than xavier..
francis ran faster than did xavier.
francis ran faster than xavier did.


all the above 4 sentences are correct only thing is that 2 nd sentence is best

take another example when after removing verb sentence becomes ambiguous
the tycoon supported Jones
more than
anyone else supported jones.

first 2 conditions are satisfied ...lets remove the verb and check for ambiguity thing.

the tycoon supported Jones more than anyone else in the industry.

now here it is ambiguous.
how?
there can be 2 meanings.
1)the tycoon supported jones more than the tycoon supported anyone else
2)the tycoon supported jones more than anyone else supported jones.

now under these cases you are not going to OMIT the verbs.

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