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Samantha invests i1 dollars in bond X, which pays r1 percent simple interest annually, and she invests i2 dollars in bond Y, which pays r2 percent simple interest annually. After one year, will she have earned more interest, in dollars, from bond X than from bond Y ?

(1) $$(r1)^2 > (r2)^2$$
(2) The ratio of i1 to i2 is larger than the ratio of r1 to r2 .

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Why cant 1 be sufficient .
We know that interest cannot be negative , therefore (1) eventually leads to r1> r2 .
The values of i1 and I2 don’t matter , because even when i2 is greater than i1 , the interest would be less .Eg. i1 : 100 r1: 5% , i2: 150 , r2: 3% , i1r1 > i2r2 giving the required result .
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02 Oct 2010, 11:11
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Samantha invests i1 dollars in bond X , which pays r1 percent simple interest annually, and she invests i2 dollars in bond Y , which pays r2 percent simple interest annually. After one year, will she have earned more interest, in dollars, from bond X than from bond Y ?
1. $$(r1)^2 > (r2)^2$$
2. The ratio of i1 to i2 is larger than the ratio of r1 to r2 .

Why cant 1 be sufficient .
We know that interest cannot be negative , therefore (1) eventually leads to r1> r2 .
The values of i1 and I2 don’t matter , because even when i2 is greater than i1 , the interest would be less .Eg. i1 : 100 r1: 5% , i2: 150 , r2: 3% , i1r1 > i2r2 giving the required result .

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Well..i think the answer is E. Because in bonds the interest can be -ve and a variable one.
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02 Oct 2010, 11:18
First of all recheck the OA - it is C not E. Pls do not mislead people by posting wrong OA.
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02 Oct 2010, 11:33
nandini11 wrote:
Samantha invests i1 dollars in bond X , which pays r1 percent simple interest annually, and she invests i2 dollars in bond Y , which pays r2 percent simple interest annually. After one year, will she have earned more interest, in dollars, from bond X than from bond Y ?
1. $$(r1)^2 > (r2)^2$$
2. The ratio of i1 to i2 is larger than the ratio of r1 to r2 .

Why cant 1 be sufficient .
We know that interest cannot be negative , therefore (1) eventually leads to r1> r2 .
The values of i1 and I2 don’t matter , because even when i2 is greater than i1 , the interest would be less .Eg. i1 : 100 r1: 5% , i2: 150 , r2: 3% , i1r1 > i2r2 giving the required result .

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Interest from bond X : i1*r1/100
Interest from bond Y : i2*r2/100
we need to know if i1*r1 > i2*r2 ?

(1) r1^2 > r2^2 ... Not sufficient as it doesn't tell us anything about the actual amounts invested
(2) i1/i2 > r1/r2 which implies i1*r2 > i2*r1 ... doesnt help us solve our inequality
(1+2) r1^2 > r2^2
So r1 > r2 as interest rate on bond cannot be negative
i1*r1 > i1*r2
i2*r1 > i2*r2
Combining with condition known from Statement 2, we get i1*r1 > i2*r2

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Well..i think the answer is E. Because in bonds the interest can be -ve and a variable one.

Bonds can't have negative interest. Variable is irrelevant here as we are given it is fixed
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02 Oct 2010, 11:46
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First of all recheck the OA - it is C not E. Pls do not mislead people by posting wrong OA.

Sorry about that. i have not been through OG quant. So dint have any idea about the answer. I thought its E, cos i know that bond rates can be -ve when it's in loss. If you don't consider this fact, then the answer becomes C.
So, i think it is assumed that the interest is always positive.M i right??
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02 Oct 2010, 12:03
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gurpreetsingh wrote:
First of all recheck the OA - it is C not E. Pls do not mislead people by posting wrong OA.

Sorry about that. i have not been through OG quant. So dint have any idea about the answer. I thought its E, cos i know that bond rates can be -ve when it's in loss. If you don't consider this fact, then the answer becomes C.
So, i think it is assumed that the interest is always positive.M i right??

My post was for 'nandini11'.
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Samantha invests i1 dollars in bond X , which pays r1 percent simple interest annually, and she invests i2 dollars in bond Y , which pays r2 percent simple interest annually. After one year, will she have earned more interest, in dollars, from bond X than from bond Y ?
1. $$(r1)^2 > (r2)^2$$
2. The ratio of i1 to i2 is larger than the ratio of r1 to r2 .

Why cant 1 be sufficient .
We know that interest cannot be negative , therefore (1) eventually leads to r1> r2 .
The values of i1 and I2 don’t matter , because even when i2 is greater than i1 , the interest would be less .Eg. i1 : 100 r1: 5% , i2: 150 , r2: 3% , i1r1 > i2r2 giving the required result .

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First of all: "bond X pays r1 percent simple interest annually" --> so r1 and r2 can not be negative.

After 1 year bond X will earn $$i_1*\frac{r_1}{100}$$ and bond Y $$i_2*\frac{r_2}{100}$$.

So the question is $$i_1*\frac{r_1}{100}>i_2*\frac{r_2}{100}$$? --> is $$i_1*r_1>i_2*r_2$$?

(1) $$(r_1)^2>(r_2)^2$$ --> not sufficient as no info about $$i_1$$ and $$i_2$$.
(2) The ratio of i1 to i2 is larger than the ratio of r1 to r2 --> $$\frac{i_1}{i_2}>\frac{r_1}{r_2}$$ --> $$i_1*r_2>i_2*r_1$$. Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) From (1) $$(r_1)^2>(r_2)^2$$ --> $$r_1>r_2$$ --> $$\frac{r_1}{r_2}>1$$ --> so $$\frac{i_1}{i_2}>\frac{r_1}{r_2}>1$$ --> $$\frac{i_1}{i_2}>1$$ --> $$i_1>i_2$$. So as both $$r_1>r_2$$ and $$i_1>i_2$$ then $$i_1*r_1>i_2*r_2$$. Sufficient.

Or: as both part in both inequalities ($$(r_1)^2>(r_2)^2$$ and $$i_1*r_2>i_2*r_1$$) are positive then we can multiply them: $$(r_1)^2*i_1*r_2>(r_2)^2*i_2*r_1$$ --> reduce by $$r_1r_2$$ --> $$i_1*r_1>i_2*r_2$$. Sufficient.

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02 Oct 2010, 12:26
Well..No one till now commented on the possibility of negative interest rate??
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Well..No one till now commented on the possibility of negative interest rate??

-ve interest rates are not possible for such investment. Do not over generalize the things on gmat.
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02 Oct 2010, 12:33
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Well..No one till now commented on the possibility of negative interest rate??

There are comments on this in two posts above: we are told that "bond X pays r1 percent simple interest annually" so it can't be negative.
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02 Oct 2010, 12:52
Hello Bunuel , Shrouded1 ,
What abt the following consideration .
from (1) we know r1 > r2 so irrespective of i1 being greater or less than i2 , we would know that i1*r1 yields high value .
Example
Consider i1 > i2 (and we know r1 >r2 and i1 and i2 have to be positive values ).
say i1 : 150 , i2 : 100
Value of Inv on X : i1*r1 : 150*5% : 7.5
Value of Inv on Y : i2*r2 : 100*3% : 3
Therefore X > Y
Take the other case of i1< i2 ( and still r1 >r2 and i1 and i2 have to be positive values ).
Say i1 : 100 , i2 : 150
Value of Inv on X : i1*r1 : 100*5% : 5
Value of Inv on Y : i2*r2 : 150*3% : 4.5
So it does not matter what is the principle amount hence (A) or stmnt 1 is sufficient .
Where am I going wrong ?

PS : Gurpreet I have corrected the OA .Sorry abt that .
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02 Oct 2010, 13:05
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Hello Bunuel , Shrouded1 ,
What abt the following consideration .
from (1) we know r1 > r2 so irrespective of i1 being greater or less than i2 , we would know that i1*r1 yields high value .
Example
Consider i1 > i2 (and we know r1 >r2 and i1 and i2 have to be positive values ).
say i1 : 150 , i2 : 100
Value of Inv on X : i1*r1 : 150*5% : 7.5
Value of Inv on Y : i2*r2 : 100*3% : 3
Therefore X > Y
Take the other case of i1< i2 ( and still r1 >r2 and i1 and i2 have to be positive values ).
Say i1 : 100 , i2 : 150
Value of Inv on X : i1*r1 : 100*5% : 5
Value of Inv on Y : i2*r2 : 150*3% : 4.5
So it does not matter what is the principle amount hence (A) or stmnt 1 is sufficient .
Where am I going wrong ?

PS : Gurpreet I have corrected the OA .Sorry abt that .

That's not correct. Are you saying that interest earned depends only on interest rate?

So if I ask you what would you prefer 1% annual interest from $1,000,000,000 or 100% annual interest from$1?
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That's not correct. Are you saying that interest earned depends only on interest rate?

So if I ask you what would you prefer 1% annual interest from $1,000,000,000 or 100% annual interest from$1?

Bunuel, I will be more than happy to accept the former with only 0.25%
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02 Oct 2010, 13:32
I get it now .My choice of plugin numbers was not comprehensive enuf .
Thanks a lot Bunuel .
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02 Oct 2010, 13:38
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Hello Bunuel , Shrouded1 ,
What abt the following consideration .
from (1) we know r1 > r2 so irrespective of i1 being greater or less than i2 , we would know that i1*r1 yields high value .
Example
Consider i1 > i2 (and we know r1 >r2 and i1 and i2 have to be positive values ).
say i1 : 150 , i2 : 100
Value of Inv on X : i1*r1 : 150*5% : 7.5
Value of Inv on Y : i2*r2 : 100*3% : 3
Therefore X > Y
Take the other case of i1< i2 ( and still r1 >r2 and i1 and i2 have to be positive values ).
Say i1 : 100 , i2 : 150
Value of Inv on X : i1*r1 : 100*5% : 5
Value of Inv on Y : i2*r2 : 150*3% : 4.5
So it does not matter what is the principle amount hence (A) or stmnt 1 is sufficient .
Where am I going wrong ?

PS : Gurpreet I have corrected the OA .Sorry abt that .

Nandini, the numbers you have taken in this particular case are playing the trick. In your example, the ratio of the R's and I's are peculiar.

Take extreme example. If you think i1 & i2 do not matter. Do this:

Case 1
i1=$10000 and i2=$100
r1=5% and r2=4.99% .. as a result r1>r2
Value of return ......... X = 10000*5% = $500 Y = 100*4.99% =$4.99
X >> Y

Case 2
i1=$100 and i2=$10000
r1=5% and r2=4.99% .. as a result r1>r2
Value of return ......... X = 100*5% = $5 Y = 10000*4.99% =$499
X << Y
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nandini11 wrote:
Samantha invests i1 dollars in bond X , which pays r1 percent simple interest annually, and she invests i2 dollars in bond Y , which pays r2 percent simple interest annually. After one year, will she have earned more interest, in dollars, from bond X than from bond Y ?
1. $$(r1)^2 > (r2)^2$$
2. The ratio of i1 to i2 is larger than the ratio of r1 to r2 .

Why cant 1 be sufficient .
We know that interest cannot be negative , therefore (1) eventually leads to r1> r2 .
The values of i1 and I2 don’t matter , because even when i2 is greater than i1 , the interest would be less .Eg. i1 : 100 r1: 5% , i2: 150 , r2: 3% , i1r1 > i2r2 giving the required result .

OA

First of all: "bond X pays r1 percent simple interest annually" --> so r1 and r2 can not be negative.

After 1 year bond X will earn $$i_1*\frac{r_1}{100}$$ and bond Y $$i_2*\frac{r_2}{100}$$.

So the question is $$i_1*\frac{r_1}{100}>i_2*\frac{r_2}{100}$$? --> is $$i_1*r_1>i_2*r_2$$?

(1) $$(r_1)^2>(r_2)^2$$ --> not sufficient as no info about $$i_1$$ and $$i_2$$.
(2) The ratio of i1 to i2 is larger than the ratio of r1 to r2 --> $$\frac{i_1}{i_2}>\frac{r_1}{r_2}$$ --> $$i_1*r_2>i_2*r_1$$. Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) From (1) $$(r_1)^2>(r_2)^2$$ --> $$r_1>r_2$$ --> $$\frac{r_1}{r_2}>1$$ --> so $$\frac{i_1}{i_2}>\frac{r_1}{r_2}>1$$ --> $$\frac{i_1}{i_2}>1$$ --> $$i_1>i_2$$. So as both $$r_1>r_2$$ and $$i_1>i_2$$ then $$i_1*r_1>i_2*r_2$$. Sufficient.

Or: as both part in both inequalities ($$(r_1)^2>(r_2)^2$$ and $$i_1*r_2>i_2*r_1$$) are positive then we can multiply them: $$(r_1)^2*i_1*r_2>(r_2)^2*i_2*r_1$$ --> reduce by $$r_1r_2$$ --> $$i_1*r_1>i_2*r_2$$. Sufficient.

Bunuel: Can you please explain -
(2) The ratio of i1 to i2 is larger than the ratio of r1 to r2 --> $$\frac{i_1}{i_2}>\frac{r_1}{r_2}$$ --> $$i_1*r_2>i_2*r_1$$. Not sufficient.

I am not able to prove this as Not Sufficient.

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Can the rates R1 and R2 be fractions? In that case R1^2 > R2^2 would not necessarily mean R1>R2.
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Can the rates R1 and R2 be fractions? In that case R1^2 > R2^2 would not necessarily mean R1>R2.

Actually it would.

For non-negative $$x$$ and $$y$$ if $$x^2>y^2$$, then $$x>y$$: since both sides of $$x^2>y^2$$ are non-negative we can take the square root from both sides and get $$x>y$$.

Hope it helps.
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29 Mar 2014, 08:06
Is i1r1>i2r2?

Statement 1

ri>r2

This is clearly insufficient

Statement 2

i1/i2>r1/r2

i1r2>r1i2.

Insufficient on its own

Now both together

i1r2>r1i2
r1>r2

Multiplying inequalities since we know both sides are positive then simplifying we get

i2>i2

Since we know that r1>r2 as well then

i1r1>i2r2

Sufficient

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