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SC - Minivans [#permalink]  31 Jul 2008, 15:03
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Pls help me understand this Q correctly...

Minivans carry as many as seven passengers and, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less, get better gas mileage, allow passengers to get in and out more easily, and have a smoother ride.

A. Minivans carry as many as seven passengers and, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less,
B. Minivans, which carry as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles, they cost less,
C. Minivans carry as many as seven passengers, in comparison with most sport utility vehicles, and have a lower cost, they
D. Minivans, carrying as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less,
E. Minivans, which carry as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles the cost is lower, and they
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Re: SC - Minivans [#permalink]  31 Jan 2011, 21:06
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IMO

The first thing to remember here is that this is a test of list //ism. That said, we must decide how many lists are there and what their corresponding arms are?

Is it one list that contains five arms?

Or

Are there two lists, one containing one arm and the other containing four arms?

Further elaborated, the two issues are whether

A. Mini vans is the plural subject followed by one simple long list comprising 1)carry four passengers 2. Compared to SUVS cost less 3) gets better gas mileage and 4) allow passengers to get in and get out easily and 5 have a smoother ride

Or

B. Mini vans is the plural subject followed by list 1. Carry seven passengers and list no 2, compared to SUVS (1 cost less, 2 get better gas mileage 3 allow passengers to get in and get out easily and 4. have a smoother ride)

If we say it is one long, long list with five arms, then the structure will be subject + arm1, arm2, arm3, arm4 and arm 5. It may be noted none of the choices has this structure.

If it is a question of two lists, then the structure will be subject + list 1 and list 2 containing arm 1, arm 2, arm 3 and arm 4.

This is the typical structure in choice A. That is why it is the right answer.

Finally in D, the act of the participial phase “carrying as many as seven passengers, compared with most SUVs,” totally distorts the meaning of the original text by shifting the comparison to carrying capacity, rather than to other factors such as cost, mileage, ease and smoother ride between the two types of automobiles involved.

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Re: SC - Minivans [#permalink]  21 Dec 2008, 21:41
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I selected A for obvious reasons and got it wrong.

D. Minivans, carrying as many as seven [passengers, {compared with most sport utility vehicles}], cost less,

Here, if you look in the brackets, the inner phrase{} improperly qualify passengers. Isn't it?

Agreed it could be a prepositional phrase or an appositive, but even then it should be touching to the object it is referring to, either from the front or back ends of the phrase.
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Re: SC - Minivans [#permalink]  22 Dec 2008, 23:39
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billyjeans wrote:
This problem test the placement of modifier as well as parallelism.

cost ..., get better ..., allow passengers... and have a smooth ... .

These 4 phrase are parallel. Which leaves us only A, B and D.

B is wrong because of the pronoun usage of "they" is confusing.

A is wrong because misuse of parallelism. In A the // goes
carry ... and cost ..., get better ..., allow passengers... and have a smooth ... .

Thus the answer is D

Hope this helps.

icandy and billyjeans, can you please explain how is A misusing the parallelism. I can't find any grammatical error in A. I feel I am missing the meaning here for this SC. I generally stick to original choice as per GMAC instructions in case two choices seem fine.
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Re: SC - Minivans [#permalink]  22 Dec 2008, 07:19
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I selected A for obvious reasons and got it wrong.

D. Minivans, carrying as many as seven [passengers, {compared with most sport utility vehicles}], cost less,

Here, if you look in the brackets, the inner phrase{} improperly qualify passengers. Isn't it?

Agreed it could be a prepositional phrase or an appositive, but even then it should be touching to the object it is referring to, either from the front or back ends of the phrase.
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No it does not.

carrying as many as seven passengers is a dependent clause and not a modifier such as that/which. It is not necessary that the reference either precede or follow immediately to the word its referring to. Most of the times that is the case with which, but which also has certain exceptions.

Take the dependent clause off the sentence and read it. It makes perfect sense.
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Re: SC - Minivans [#permalink]  22 Dec 2008, 08:25
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This problem test the placement of modifier as well as parallelism.

cost ..., get better ..., allow passengers... and have a smooth ... .

These 4 phrase are parallel. Which leaves us only A, B and D.

B is wrong because of the pronoun usage of "they" is confusing.

A is wrong because misuse of parallelism. In A the // goes
carry ... and cost ..., get better ..., allow passengers... and have a smooth ... .

Thus the answer is D

Hope this helps.
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Re: SC - Minivans [#permalink]  31 Dec 2008, 17:28
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Pls help me understand this Q correctly...

Minivans carry as many as seven passengers and, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less, get better gas mileage, allow passengers to get in and out more easily, and have a smoother ride.

A. Minivans carry as many as seven passengers and, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less,
B. Minivans, which carry as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles, they cost less,
C. Minivans carry as many as seven passengers, in comparison with most sport utility vehicles, and have a lower cost, they
D. Minivans, carrying as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less,
E. Minivans, which carry as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles the cost is lower, and they

I agree with D that it could be OA but has also flaws. I am between A and D but unsure whay D is OA.

A. Minivans carry as many as seven passengers and, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less, get better gas mileage, allow passengers to get in and out more easily, and have a smoother ride.

The problem with A is that it has two "and". "compared with most sport utility vehicles" modifies minivans not the whole clause "Minivans carry as many as seven passengers and" preceding it because there is "and" to make the seperation.

Subject (Minivans) + verb (carry) + (as many as seven passengers) and, modifying phrase (compared with most sport utility vehicles), verb (cost) less, verb (get) better gas mileage, verb (allow) passengers to get in and out more easily, and verb (have) a smoother ride.

D. Minivans, carrying as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less,get better gas mileage, allow passengers to get in and out more easily, and have a smoother ride.

D has two modifiers one after the other.

subject (Minivans), modifying phrase (carrying as many as seven passengers), modifying phrase (compared with most sport utility vehicles), verb (cost) less, verb (get) better gas mileage, verb (allow) passengers to get in and out more easily, and verb (have) a smoother ride.

Minivans carry as many as seven passengers and, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less, get better gas mileage, allow passengers to get in and out more easily, and have a smoother ride.

A. Minivans carry as many as seven passengers and, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less,
B. Minivans, which carry as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles, they cost less,
C. Minivans carry as many as seven passengers, in comparison with most sport utility vehicles, and have a lower cost, they
D. Minivans, carrying as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less,
E. Minivans, which carry as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles the cost is lower, and they[/quote]

Seems the question is havily disputed!
What is the source? Does anybody has OE whatsoever?

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Re: SC - Minivans [#permalink]  31 Jul 2008, 15:16
A is the cleanest of the lot. Its got the right modifying phrase in the right place, and it is parallel as well
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Re: SC - Minivans [#permalink]  31 Jul 2008, 15:42
x97agarwal wrote:
IMO A.

I've also come up with A, but the OA says different one. I wonder why A is wrong...
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Re: SC - Minivans [#permalink]  31 Jul 2008, 16:32
Though initially i also selected A but on rethinking D can be the answer

Will try to explain...

Since cost is uncountable so "less" is preferred over "lower". This leaves us with A,B and D. B has an ambiguous "they".

I think the author is not simply trying to compare minivans with SUVs rather he comparing a minivan loaded with 7 passenger with most SUVs. D does that comparison very well.

Does that make sense???
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Re: SC - Minivans [#permalink]  31 Jul 2008, 18:07
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Though initially i also selected A but on rethinking D can be the answer

Will try to explain...

Since cost is uncountable so "less" is preferred over "lower". This leaves us with A,B and D. B has an ambiguous "they".

I think the author is not simply trying to compare minivans with SUVs rather he comparing a minivan loaded with 7 passenger with most SUVs. D does that comparison very well.

Does that make sense???

oops i took the Question otherways
anyways why cant be the comparison be of general minivans?

here there are two cases :
(1) general minivans
(2)minivas loaded with 7 and more people
Again in the question stem we are comparing minivans with other utility vehicles hence it makes sense if we compare minivans in general ,their capacity and cost efficiency etc. with other vehicles

I would like to know how we will decide among above two ,that is actual intent in the statement

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Re: SC - Minivans [#permalink]  31 Jul 2008, 18:10
spriya wrote:
grepro wrote:
Though initially i also selected A but on rethinking D can be the answer

Will try to explain...

Since cost is uncountable so "less" is preferred over "lower". This leaves us with A,B and D. B has an ambiguous "they".

I think the author is not simply trying to compare minivans with SUVs rather he comparing a minivan loaded with 7 passenger with most SUVs. D does that comparison very well.

Does that make sense???

oops i took the Question otherways
anyways why cant be the comparison be of general minivans?

here there are two cases :
(1) general minivans
(2)minivas loaded with 7 and more people
Again in the question stem we are comparing minivans with other utility vehicles hence it makes sense if we compare minivans in general ,their capacity and cost efficiency etc. with other vehicles

I would like to know how we will decide among above two ,that is actual intent in the statement

is too many and s creating a problem in (A)

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Re: SC - Minivans [#permalink]  31 Jul 2008, 18:18
A. Minivans carry as many as seven passengers and, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less,
== WRONG, this structure is AAA and BBB, CCC, DDD, and EEE. The “and” between “AAA” and “BBB” is not correct.

B. Minivans, which carry as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles, they cost less,
=CORRECT

C. Minivans carry as many as seven passengers, in comparison with most sport utility vehicles, and have a lower cost, they
== WRONG – with the “and” before “have a lower cost”, it seems that “in comparison with most sport utility vehicles” modifies “Minivans carry as many as seven passengers”.

D. Minivans, carrying as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less,
== WRONG – progressive tense is not necessary here. I’d prefer using “which” clause.

E. Minivans, which carry as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles the cost is lower, and they
== WRONG – the “and” before “they” is not correct.

And is B
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Re: SC - Minivans [#permalink]  31 Jul 2008, 18:24
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A. Minivans carry as many as seven passengers and, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less,
== WRONG, this structure is AAA and BBB, CCC, DDD, and EEE. The “and” between “AAA” and “BBB” is not correct.

B. Minivans, which carry as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles, they cost less,
=CORRECT

C. Minivans carry as many as seven passengers, in comparison with most sport utility vehicles, and have a lower cost, they
== WRONG – with the “and” before “have a lower cost”, it seems that “in comparison with most sport utility vehicles” modifies “Minivans carry as many as seven passengers”.

D. Minivans, carrying as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less,
== WRONG – progressive tense is not necessary here. I’d prefer using “which” clause.

E. Minivans, which carry as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles the cost is lower, and they
== WRONG – the “and” before “they” is not correct.

And is B

I dont agree with B since minivans,xyz,they cost ... is incorrect

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Re: SC - Minivans [#permalink]  31 Jul 2008, 20:33
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clubzzang wrote:
Pls help me understand this Q correctly...

Minivans carry as many as seven passengers and, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less, get better gas mileage, allow passengers to get in and out more easily, and have a smoother ride.

A. Minivans carry as many as seven passengers and, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less,
B. Minivans, which carry as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles, they cost less,
C. Minivans carry as many as seven passengers, in comparison with most sport utility vehicles, and have a lower cost, they
D. Minivans, carrying as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less,
E. Minivans, which carry as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles the cost is lower, and they

IMO D)

OA given is D. I'm not sure if it is okay with having two participles (i.e. carrying~, compared~). I went to A since after the comma we have comparisons. Pls elaborate your answer further? Thanks.
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Re: SC - Minivans [#permalink]  31 Jul 2008, 21:29
clubzzang wrote:
nmohindru wrote:
clubzzang wrote:
Pls help me understand this Q correctly...

Minivans carry as many as seven passengers and, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less, get better gas mileage, allow passengers to get in and out more easily, and have a smoother ride.

A. Minivans carry as many as seven passengers and, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less,
B. Minivans, which carry as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles, they cost less,
C. Minivans carry as many as seven passengers, in comparison with most sport utility vehicles, and have a lower cost, they
D. Minivans, carrying as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less,
E. Minivans, which carry as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles the cost is lower, and they

IMO D)

OA given is D. I'm not sure if it is okay with having two participles (i.e. carrying~, compared~). I went to A since after the comma we have comparisons. Pls elaborate your answer further? Thanks.

The problem with A) is "and" so sentence becomes X has A and B, C and D which is wrong

D clearly suggests that minivans which has same capacity as most SUVs cost less, B and C .... which is right.
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Re: SC - Minivans [#permalink]  11 Nov 2008, 08:27
Is the and, creating a punctuation error? I've never seen it like this before.

A. Minivans carry as many as seven passengers and, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less,
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Re: SC - Minivans [#permalink]  11 Nov 2008, 09:48
bigfernhead wrote:
Is the and, creating a punctuation error? I've never seen it like this before.

A. Minivans carry as many as seven passengers and, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less,

No its no error.
As someone stated above, difference b/w A and D is:

A) compares a Minivan with 7 passengers on board.
D) compares a Minivan, which can seat as many as 7 passengers.

in D, the 7 passengers is just another characteristic, not part of the comparison.
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Re: SC - Minivans [#permalink]  23 Dec 2008, 06:04
clubzzang wrote:
Pls help me understand this Q correctly...

Minivans carry as many as seven passengers and, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less, get better gas mileage, allow passengers to get in and out more easily, and have a smoother ride.

A. Minivans carry as many as seven passengers and, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less,
B. Minivans, which carry as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles, they cost less,
C. Minivans carry as many as seven passengers, in comparison with most sport utility vehicles, and have a lower cost, they
D. Minivans, carrying as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less,
E. Minivans, which carry as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles the cost is lower, and they

D.

A: and is not needed
B: clunky, they is redundant
C: again they is redundant
E: need I say?
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Re: SC - Minivans [#permalink]  23 Dec 2008, 18:26
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clubzzang wrote:
Pls help me understand this Q correctly...

Minivans carry as many as seven passengers and, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less, get better gas mileage, allow passengers to get in and out more easily, and have a smoother ride.

A. Minivans carry as many as seven passengers and, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less,
B. Minivans, which carry as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles, they cost less,
C. Minivans carry as many as seven passengers, in comparison with most sport utility vehicles, and have a lower cost, they
D. Minivans, carrying as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles, cost less,
E. Minivans, which carry as many as seven passengers, compared with most sport utility vehicles the cost is lower, and they

D.

A: and is not needed
B: clunky, they is redundant
C: again they is redundant
E: need I say?

Got the trick here around and. Thanks .
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