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Re: Schulich September 2011 - Intake [#permalink] New post 05 Apr 2011, 18:50
I checked with my app status for Schulich in Myfile. It says: reviewed-unsuccessful. Anyone knows what does that mean? Am I rejected by York?
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Re: Schulich September 2011 - Intake [#permalink] New post 05 Apr 2011, 19:10
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I'm a Schulich student and I can answer some of your guys' concerns.

I went through the same dilemma as you guys in deciding between admits to Rotman and Schulich. I visited both campuses and found Schulich to be a master in tailoring my visit to what I was interested in (Arts & Media and Marketing). They took me around the campus and building and gave me all the haps on what I could expect. Rotman, however, didn't seem too interested in anything besides telling me what a great reputation they had.

I eventually chose Schulich because they are a better business school brand and they really allow you to explore. Rotman is heavily financed focused. They basically told me that I would eat, sleep, and breathe quantitative courses. Schulich has a lot of quantitative requirements (two accounting courses, a stats course, a finance class, and an economics class), but nowhere near what Rotman requires. Rotman has limited options for studies, whereas Schulich has several which are exclusive to their school in Canada (such as Not-For-Profit, Green Business, and Arts & Media Management). Another big plus is that all 5 major bank and the four largest media conglomerates CEO's all came from Schulich (of course - they aren't the ones recruiting, but it helps :)).

By saying it is a business school brand, I mean that it is the only school in Canada known more for its brand as opposed to its university brand. Desautels, Ivey, and Rotman all come from very reputable schools, but I guarantee you if you say Rotman or Desautels, you will always have to present it as McGill or UofT. Schulich, as part of York, is not one of the most respected universities in Canada, but it has allowed the school to develop a masterful business program and a brand that is on its own. This can be a good thing or a bad thing, it's pretty subjective. I like it because I can say Schulich and everyone knows where the heck I am and what kind of business school student I might be.

The full time MBA has two course types - required and optional. In your first semester, you are split into a section of students which is between 40-60 people. In the classes I sat in at Rotman, it was exactly the same - but Rotman does this the entire first year while Schulich is only half of the year. Optional classes are anywhere from 15 to 50 students, depending on the subject matter. A class like Negotiations is super popular and always waitlisted, but classes like Managing in the Broadcast World would be more along the 15-25 people range.

The IMBA class is one of Schulich's bread and butter. They get a lot perks and attention the wider MBA class doesn't, but they are together the entire year as well. They have a heavier workload than regular MBAs, but I don't think it is unmanageable.

Schulich has a HUGE piggy bank that it gives scholarships from. Most of my friends received entrance scholarships or bursaries if they applied early enough. These range anywhere between 2k and 20k.

One thing I can say is much better at Schulich than Rotman is the social life. The Graduate Business Council has a bar night every week and there is a large amount of clubs at the school who also facilitate social events. I know Rotman has had a huge problem doing this and students often feel isolated. I think this is mainly due to the fact that most Rotman students are from the GTA, whereas 90% of Schulich students come from other areas of Canada or the Globe.

Essentially, the decision is up to you. I don't think basing a decision on brand recognition is a necessity since the only three real biz-schools with strong brands in Canada are Ivey, Schulich, and Rotman. Desautels and Sauder are Tier 2 in Canadian terms, but I'm sure they offer as good of an education as Schulich.

I can answer any other concerns you guys have, just post 'em here (or if I didn't give enough info about something).


This has been a real help, thanks. I have a few questions or concerns

- What do you consider to be Schulich's strengths? They seem to place quite well in a variety of industries and functions. Do you think the school is strong in Strategy?
- I'm very surprised to hear that the school is considered more social. Since I've heard its pretty far in the middle of nowhere and not in the nicest of areas, I'd prefer to commute from somewhere more central. But it's not a commuter school?
- How have you found the career services at Schulich?
- Have you had problems with the language skills, or the quality otherwise, or your classmates? Some people say that because there are very few interviews, you don't always get the best quality colleagues
- Are you able to take any courses outside of the business school? The UofT interviewee said that this is something you can do at Rotman, and that is partly what attracted me to the program.


Strengths are its whacky programs like Real Estate, Sustainability, Non Profit etc. The school seems very strong in strategy and offers a very wide variety of courses, which is its other strength.

The school is very social and most people live away from campus because that area is terrible. Popular areas for Schulich students are Yonge & Eg, St. Clair West, and the Annex. All that being said, it's hard to meet people outside of Schulich and there is a lot of type-A MBA attitude at the school, which gives me anxiety sometimes.

Language skills are sometimes an issue, but you'll get that at any b-school in Canada.

You can take courses elsewhere or individual study if you want. There's a pretty simple application process for that, but I don't think it's hard to do.
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Re: Schulich September 2011 - Intake [#permalink] New post 06 Apr 2011, 17:21
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I checked with my app status for Schulich in Myfile. It says: reviewed-unsuccessful. Anyone knows what does that mean? Am I rejected by York?


Call them is the best bet.

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Derek57 wrote:

Strengths are its whacky programs like Real Estate, Sustainability, Non Profit etc. The school seems very strong in strategy and offers a very wide variety of courses, which is its other strength.

The school is very social and most people live away from campus because that area is terrible. Popular areas for Schulich students are Yonge & Eg, St. Clair West, and the Annex. All that being said, it's hard to meet people outside of Schulich and there is a lot of type-A MBA attitude at the school, which gives me anxiety sometimes.

Language skills are sometimes an issue, but you'll get that at any b-school in Canada.

You can take courses elsewhere or individual study if you want. There's a pretty simple application process for that, but I don't think it's hard to do.


Thanks! Looks like there's still not a lot to choose between Schulich and Rotman. I have the unhappy feeling it will come down to a sort of random selection. Oh well, could be worse!

My wife will likely be going to UofT (MSW), do you happen to know how long it takes to get from the Annex and Yonge and Eglington to York (driving or by transit)??
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Re: Schulich September 2011 - Intake [#permalink] New post 06 Apr 2011, 17:23
Derek57 wrote:
greekhero wrote:
I checked with my app status for Schulich in Myfile. It says: reviewed-unsuccessful. Anyone knows what does that mean? Am I rejected by York?


Call them is the best bet.

krussell wrote:
Derek57 wrote:

Strengths are its whacky programs like Real Estate, Sustainability, Non Profit etc. The school seems very strong in strategy and offers a very wide variety of courses, which is its other strength.

The school is very social and most people live away from campus because that area is terrible. Popular areas for Schulich students are Yonge & Eg, St. Clair West, and the Annex. All that being said, it's hard to meet people outside of Schulich and there is a lot of type-A MBA attitude at the school, which gives me anxiety sometimes.

Language skills are sometimes an issue, but you'll get that at any b-school in Canada.

You can take courses elsewhere or individual study if you want. There's a pretty simple application process for that, but I don't think it's hard to do.


Thanks! Looks like there's still not a lot to choose between Schulich and Rotman. I have the unhappy feeling it will come down to a sort of random selection. Oh well, could be worse!

My wife will likely be going to UofT (MSW), do you happen to know how long it takes to get from the Annex and Yonge and Eglington to York (driving or by transit)??


I live at Yonge & Eg and it takes me about 45 minutes. My friend lives at Spadina & Bloor and I drive her home sometimes which takes about the same.
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Re: Schulich September 2011 - Intake [#permalink] New post 06 Apr 2011, 17:47
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I checked with my app status for Schulich in Myfile. It says: reviewed-unsuccessful. Anyone knows what does that mean? Am I rejected by York?


Call them is the best bet.


Yeh, I called admission yesterday and they confirmed the rejection with me and a few hours later I received my rejection letter and it indicated that: the positive factors in my life can't compensate for my IELTS and GMAT (AWA).

It is weird, since I achieved 7.0 in my IELTS (L7.5 R7 W6.5 S6.5)and 4.5 in GMAT (AWA), it seems, there is nothing need to be compensate for.

I just can't get it. I have 5 years' solid working experiences in world's top 3 banking organziation(Citi, JP Morgan, Standard Chartend) and achieved GMAT 680 (Q50 V31). Is Schulich too difficult for the person with above background? Any advice would be helpful.

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Re: Schulich September 2011 - Intake [#permalink] New post 06 Apr 2011, 17:50
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greekhero wrote:
I checked with my app status for Schulich in Myfile. It says: reviewed-unsuccessful. Anyone knows what does that mean? Am I rejected by York?


Call them is the best bet.


Yeh, I called admission yesterday and they confirmed the rejection with me and a few hours later I received my rejection letter and it indicated that: the positive factors in my life can't compensate for my IELTS and GMAT (AWA).

It is weird, since I achieved 7.0 in my IELTS (L7.5 R7 W6.5 S6.5)and 4.5 in GMAT (AWA), it seems, there is nothing need to be compensate for.

I just can't get it. I have 5 years' solid working experiences in world's top 3 banking organziation and achieved GMAT 680 (Q50 V31). Is Schulich too difficult for the person with above background? Any advice would be helpful.


Everything happens for a reason, so don't get down :)

There's something bigger and better waiting for you... try Stanford!
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Re: Schulich September 2011 - Intake [#permalink] New post 06 Apr 2011, 17:57
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greekhero wrote:
I checked with my app status for Schulich in Myfile. It says: reviewed-unsuccessful. Anyone knows what does that mean? Am I rejected by York?


Call them is the best bet.


Yeh, I called admission yesterday and they confirmed the rejection with me and a few hours later I received my rejection letter and it indicated that: the positive factors in my life can't compensate for my IELTS and GMAT (AWA).

It is weird, since I achieved 7.0 in my IELTS (L7.5 R7 W6.5 S6.5)and 4.5 in GMAT (AWA), it seems, there is nothing need to be compensate for.

I just can't get it. I have 5 years' solid working experiences in world's top 3 banking organziation(Citi, JP Morgan, Standard Chartend) and achieved GMAT 680 (Q50 V31). Is Schulich too difficult for the person with above background? Any advice would be helpful.


I don't know exactly what the IELTS score means, but an AWA score of 4.5 translates to roughly the 37th percentile which is not strong and a 31V translates to only a 58th percentile score which would be below the average for Verbal at Schulich. Although the GMAT score as a whole is strong, I strongly suggest that you rewrite the exam and look to level out that Q/V split. With an evened-out score an admit through the re-application would be highly likely
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Re: Schulich September 2011 - Intake [#permalink] New post 06 Apr 2011, 18:06
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Re: Schulich September 2011 - Intake [#permalink] New post 19 Apr 2011, 06:45
Well, after a 15-week wait I've been rejected without interview. Overall, I'm disappointed in the result but had committed to another program which I valued higher than Schulich in the interim. I have to say that although the admissions folks are extremely friendly and available via email, the application process (for me at least) was an absolute disaster compared to the way I was dealt with by other schools. My profile is particularly strange and that likely led to my being rejected and I have no issue with that, but the length of the process, the multiple and significant delays and the fact that while my file was being "delayed" others were getting prompt admission decisions has left me with a pretty bad taste in my mouth regarding the Schulich School of Business.

Having said that, its a very strong program with extremely diverse offerings and a noted global brand recognition. Those of you who are attending or who will attend in the future I wish the best of luck.
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Re: Schulich September 2011 - Intake [#permalink] New post 19 Apr 2011, 18:31
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Well, after a 15-week wait I've been rejected without interview. Overall, I'm disappointed in the result but had committed to another program which I valued higher than Schulich in the interim. I have to say that although the admissions folks are extremely friendly and available via email, the application process (for me at least) was an absolute disaster compared to the way I was dealt with by other schools. My profile is particularly strange and that likely led to my being rejected and I have no issue with that, but the length of the process, the multiple and significant delays and the fact that while my file was being "delayed" others were getting prompt admission decisions has left me with a pretty bad taste in my mouth regarding the Schulich School of Business.

Having said that, its a very strong program with extremely diverse offerings and a noted global brand recognition. Those of you who are attending or who will attend in the future I wish the best of luck.


That's a shame. I am honestly pretty surprised that the law-school issue was that big of a deal. Are you going to Desautles then? Sounds like a very good school, and in a much better location!
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Re: Schulich September 2011 - Intake [#permalink] New post 19 Apr 2011, 18:40
I've been doing quite a bit of research, and am wondering if anyone has access to Schulich's alumni statistics? I am looking at Rotman's, and think this could be as telling as the grad statistics. Mostly I'm interested in the industries and the locations of grads. Schulich's the 'global' school, which I appreciate, but internationally focused classes only help so much, and I am wondering if the graduates actually get greater over-seas opportunities and recognition?? For UofT, as many grads work internationally, but it could just be that many UofT grads go to the USA, where York grads go all over the place. Or, York grads could just go primarily to South Asia/India.

The same thing goes for their focus in non-traditional industries: namely CSR, and non-profits. They're placements aren't that 'good' (then again I am not sure if you can say its good or bad when most grads probably don't want these jobs), and not much better than UofT. But it all depends on their staying power to - can they move into good positions, which effects whether or not Schulich has a good reputation and network in the CSR and non-profit community. Any thoughts/info?



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for any current, or matriculating students. Any thoughts on areas of town to live? I would imagine Schulich students live everywhere. I wonder how much of an effect a bad dt commute would have on group work (newly married and don't want to be coming up at 11 from school every night).
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Re: Schulich September 2011 - Intake [#permalink] New post 19 Apr 2011, 19:16
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Well, after a 15-week wait I've been rejected without interview. Overall, I'm disappointed in the result but had committed to another program which I valued higher than Schulich in the interim. I have to say that although the admissions folks are extremely friendly and available via email, the application process (for me at least) was an absolute disaster compared to the way I was dealt with by other schools. My profile is particularly strange and that likely led to my being rejected and I have no issue with that, but the length of the process, the multiple and significant delays and the fact that while my file was being "delayed" others were getting prompt admission decisions has left me with a pretty bad taste in my mouth regarding the Schulich School of Business.

Having said that, its a very strong program with extremely diverse offerings and a noted global brand recognition. Those of you who are attending or who will attend in the future I wish the best of luck.


That's a shame. I am honestly pretty surprised that the law-school issue was that big of a deal. Are you going to Desautles then? Sounds like a very good school, and in a much better location!


Agree with Derek, What is your rejection letter says?
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Re: Schulich September 2011 - Intake [#permalink] New post 19 Apr 2011, 19:31
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Well, after a 15-week wait I've been rejected without interview. Overall, I'm disappointed in the result but had committed to another program which I valued higher than Schulich in the interim. I have to say that although the admissions folks are extremely friendly and available via email, the application process (for me at least) was an absolute disaster compared to the way I was dealt with by other schools. My profile is particularly strange and that likely led to my being rejected and I have no issue with that, but the length of the process, the multiple and significant delays and the fact that while my file was being "delayed" others were getting prompt admission decisions has left me with a pretty bad taste in my mouth regarding the Schulich School of Business.

Having said that, its a very strong program with extremely diverse offerings and a noted global brand recognition. Those of you who are attending or who will attend in the future I wish the best of luck.


That's a shame. I am honestly pretty surprised that the law-school issue was that big of a deal. Are you going to Desautles then? Sounds like a very good school, and in a much better location!


Yeah, its off to Desautels for me. To be honest, I very likely would have matriculated there anyway but I would have loved to have the decision to make. McGill was my 2nd choice school behind Ross and ahead of Schulich at the start of the application season so I should count myself fortunate to have gotten into my 2nd choice school. I know I'll enjoy studying and living in downtown Montreal much better than I would have in North York, but its hard to deny the opportunities available to Schulich students or students of any of the top 3 programmes in Toronto. Either way, although I'm unhappy with the result, it is nice to finally be done with the process.
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Re: Schulich September 2011 - Intake [#permalink] New post 19 Apr 2011, 19:39
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Well, after a 15-week wait I've been rejected without interview. Overall, I'm disappointed in the result but had committed to another program which I valued higher than Schulich in the interim. I have to say that although the admissions folks are extremely friendly and available via email, the application process (for me at least) was an absolute disaster compared to the way I was dealt with by other schools. My profile is particularly strange and that likely led to my being rejected and I have no issue with that, but the length of the process, the multiple and significant delays and the fact that while my file was being "delayed" others were getting prompt admission decisions has left me with a pretty bad taste in my mouth regarding the Schulich School of Business.

Having said that, its a very strong program with extremely diverse offerings and a noted global brand recognition. Those of you who are attending or who will attend in the future I wish the best of luck.


That's a shame. I am honestly pretty surprised that the law-school issue was that big of a deal. Are you going to Desautles then? Sounds like a very good school, and in a much better location!


Agree with Derek, What is your rejection letter says?


I haven't received the rejection letter yet but noticed my application status changed from "No decision yet" to "reviewed - unsuccessful" so I emailed one of the admissions folks that I had been corresponding with for clarification and she let me know that my application had indeed been rejected and although she'd personally recommended the application for admission, the majority of the committee couldn't look past my lackluster law school grades.

It is disappointing knowing that a poor decision to attend law school would affect my future in business it was something that I had prepared for before submitting the applications. I just find it strange that some schools totally ignore your graduate work when calculating GPA while others consider only the last "x" number of university credits or years regardless of the level or difficulty of the program. Ironically, I've been rejected on the basis of grades I received in a program that in all liklihood more than half of the incoming class wouldn't have been able to gain admission to. But again, I knew the grades could come back to haunt me at some schools and I really don't want to sound like a whiner because I contacted Schulich before submitting my application to ask specifically about how my GPA would be calculated and they told me quite honestly that those graduate credits would be used but that I could apply as a "special case" which I did.
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Re: Schulich September 2011 - Intake [#permalink] New post 19 Apr 2011, 19:58
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Well, after a 15-week wait I've been rejected without interview. Overall, I'm disappointed in the result but had committed to another program which I valued higher than Schulich in the interim. I have to say that although the admissions folks are extremely friendly and available via email, the application process (for me at least) was an absolute disaster compared to the way I was dealt with by other schools. My profile is particularly strange and that likely led to my being rejected and I have no issue with that, but the length of the process, the multiple and significant delays and the fact that while my file was being "delayed" others were getting prompt admission decisions has left me with a pretty bad taste in my mouth regarding the Schulich School of Business.

Having said that, its a very strong program with extremely diverse offerings and a noted global brand recognition. Those of you who are attending or who will attend in the future I wish the best of luck.


Schulich is not the only one who takes forever to notify of a rejection. I have been rejected by Sauder, it took them 2 and a half months to inform me after the interview, and only because I have called myself! Thats one month after round one deadline! On top of that, they forgot that they have scheduled a phone interview for me! I had to call them and then hour later they found someone to conduct the interview. So dont be mad at Schulich, could have been worse as you can see. Can't blame Sauder for rejecting me, I was so excited to apply (its the first school I have applied too) I have had some serious errors in my second essay. On top of that, by the time my interview came, I was just notified that I have got in Schulich so I could care less about Sauder. I didnt prepare for the interview and it showed big time... Now I wish I have had prepared because no one likes to be rejected, and it bothers me... But yeah, I can totally sympathise with you, good luck in Montreal!
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Re: Schulich September 2011 - Intake [#permalink] New post 21 Apr 2011, 13:37
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I submitted my application Feb 1, received my acceptance on Feb 15. Just called them this past Wednesday (March 30) and asked for an extension until Apr 15 to give me some time to weigh my offers. They were completely receptive and the extension was not a problem. Ask away!


I wonder what you said. I didn't make any excuses, just said I was still reviewing my options and they didn't give me an extension. 1 week :?

What did you end up deciding?
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Re: Schulich September 2011 - Intake [#permalink] New post 26 Apr 2011, 09:23
Derek57, have you come to any decision? I was offered admission to both Rotman and Schulich. I've decided to accept Schulich. I'd be happy to share my thoughts and analysis with you if you're interested - I have been researching both schools and programs for a long time and this was a seriously tough decision for me. I'd be interested in finding out which school you've decided on.

I was awarded advanced standing, giving me the ability to complete the program in eight months. I'm wondering if any current students might be able to shed some light on this - is it worth finishing the program in eight months? Pros/Cons?

krussell if you're still reading this, do you have any thoughts/suggestions on the accelerated MBA?
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Re: Schulich September 2011 - Intake [#permalink] New post 26 Apr 2011, 11:18
I havn't totally decided, but am leaning towards Rotman. Largely because my wife will also be studying at UofT at the same time - and both schools have parts that interest me, and others that worry me... almost to a perfectly even extent.

I just pm'd you on specifics.
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Re: Schulich September 2011 - Intake [#permalink] New post 29 Apr 2011, 06:47
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I havn't totally decided, but am leaning towards Rotman. Largely because my wife will also be studying at UofT at the same time - and both schools have parts that interest me, and others that worry me... almost to a perfectly even extent.

I just pm'd you on specifics.


I also was leaning towards Rotman until Schulich threw a bunch of $ my way.
I enjoyed the small things Rotman did, like using my preferred name versus my given name (Schulich admins are still refusing to even allow my preferred name on my name card for classes). I also believed Rotman had better exchange choices for second year, which is important to me.

I still may end up rejection Schulich once I hear about my Ross (R3) application, since I was late to the whole MBA application party.
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Re: Schulich September 2011 - Intake [#permalink] New post 29 Apr 2011, 07:07
Interesting to hear you say that Rotman has better exchange options. I thought the opposite (I guess it may be what you find interesting) - Rotman to me only has LBS, which I'm assuming is pretty competitive amongst the finance folks at school.

Did you get your scholarship to Schulich with your admission, or seperately afterwards?
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