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Scientists claim that the discovery of the first [#permalink] New post 12 Sep 2006, 23:39
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Scientists claim that the discovery of the first authenticated mammal bones in amber could provide important clues of determining, in addition to how, when mammals colonized the islands of the West Indies.

A: of determining, in addition to how, when mammals colonized the islands of the West Indies

B:in the determination of how and when the islands of the West Indies were colonized by mammals

C:to determine how mammals colonized the islands of the West Indies and when they did

D:for determining when the islands of the West Indies were colonized by mammals and how they were

E:for determining how and when mammals colonized the islands of the West Indies
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Going with E:

A: of determining, in addition to how, when mammals colonized the islands of the West Indies - clues of?(need clues-to or clues-for) WRONG

B:in the determination of how and when the islands of the West Indies were colonized by mammals - clues in? (need clues-to or clues-for).WRONG

C:to determine how mammals colonized the islands of the West Indies and when they did - they is ambiguos. WRONG.

D:for determining when the islands of the West Indies were colonized by mammals and how they were - they is ambiguos. WRONG.

E:for determining how and when mammals colonized the islands of the West Indies - CORRECT.
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 [#permalink] New post 13 Sep 2006, 06:26
strainght one .... active voice, and concise wording E.
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 [#permalink] New post 13 Sep 2006, 08:06
Answer: E

Usage: "clues for"...

Only D and E satisfy.

D is awkward and wordy...
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 [#permalink] New post 13 Sep 2006, 21:26
baski (D) is incomplete how they were...(what?)
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Re: SC-authenticated mammal bones [#permalink] New post 09 Sep 2007, 22:27
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Scientists claim that the discovery of the first authenticated mammal bones in amber could provide important clues of determining, in addition to how, when mammals colonized the islands of the West Indies.

A: of determining, in addition to how, when mammals colonized the islands of the West Indies

B:in the determination of how and when the islands of the West Indies were colonized by mammals

C:to determine how mammals colonized the islands of the West Indies and when they did

D:for determining when the islands of the West Indies were colonized by mammals and how they were

E:for determining how and when mammals colonized the islands of the West Indies


A: Of determing... , in addition to how.... wordy and just wrong.

B. in the dertermination of.... could be written in a shorter form.

C. they has no clear referent could be scientists, islands, mammals. very awkward ending.

D. again they no clear referent and its very awkward.

E. most grammatically correct in my opinion.
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Re: SC-authenticated mammal bones [#permalink] New post 30 Sep 2009, 21:27
will go with E wats the Source of this Q
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Re: SC-authenticated mammal bones [#permalink] New post 02 Jul 2010, 11:23
to determine sounds better than for determining.
Could anybody clarify this?
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Re: SC-authenticated mammal bones [#permalink] New post 02 Jul 2010, 11:24
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to determine sounds better than for determining.
Could anybody clarify this?
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and aside from that, what is wrong in C??
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Re: SC-authenticated mammal bones [#permalink] New post 02 Jul 2010, 21:45
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C:to determine how mammals colonized the islands of the West Indies and when they did ----> looks like you chopped off the sentence after "when they did"
If the breakpoint is after determine then I can split the sentence into 2 parts
to determine how mammals colonized the islands of the West Indies
to determine when they did -------> scientists or the mammals - they is ambiguous!

I think to do this quickly the important clue is "provide for".
B is passive
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Re: SC-authenticated mammal bones [#permalink] New post 02 Jul 2010, 23:07
Was able to come to E as the ans.
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are "clues-to or clues-for" idioms ?
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Re: SC-authenticated mammal bones [#permalink] New post 03 Jul 2010, 13:16
"provide for" is the idiom.

provide important clues for determining......

E is correct.
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Re: SC-authenticated mammal bones [#permalink] New post 03 Jul 2010, 17:34
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Re: SC-authenticated mammal bones [#permalink] New post 30 Nov 2010, 00:29
The OA is E :-)
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Re: SC-authenticated mammal bones [#permalink] New post 12 Sep 2011, 04:07
very tricky question. First look, I choose C. second look, realize they is ambiguous
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Re: Scientists claim that the discovery of the first [#permalink] New post 22 Jan 2013, 23:54
is B wrong only because it is not concise?
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Re: Scientists claim that the discovery of the first [#permalink] New post 23 Jan 2013, 00:49
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is B wrong only because it is not concise?


"clues in the determination of how" is unnecessarily using the passive voice and its also has awkward construction. Choice (E) is concise and serves the meaning.
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Re: Scientists claim that the discovery of the first [#permalink] New post 23 Jan 2013, 01:17
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is B wrong only because it is not concise?


"clues in the determination of how" is unnecessarily using the passive voice and its also has awkward construction. Choice (E) is concise and serves the meaning.



why is there no rule for awkwardness? :evil:
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Hi Sachin,

Choice B is incorrect because it is very wordy. It does not have any grammatical error, but it certianly is lot more wordy. Choice E is concise.

Well, there are no rules for awkwardness because it is a stylistic issue and not a grammatical issue.

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is B wrong only because it is not concise?


"clues in the determination of how" is unnecessarily using the passive voice and its also has awkward construction. Choice (E) is concise and serves the meaning.



why is there no rule for awkwardness? :evil:


Sachin, sometimes you will be able to apply few rules based on grammar or meaning to identify choices with wordy/awkward constructions, however most times you will have to trust your ears to identify such errors. We may "not always" be able to identify/apply the rules for concision.
A quick tip: Always read the SC OG solutions given by GMAC (whether you get the answer right or wrong). Most cases GMAC eliminates answers by just calling them as wordy/awkward (without further explanations), try analyzing those patterns and tune your ears to it. Dont take them as a thumb rule, but during exam once you narrow down to two (grammatically) correct choices, chose the one which is more concise and follows the meaning.

In the concerned problem, "for determining" is more concise (and active in voice) than "in the determination of". Why? check below:

Reasoning & similar example from MGMAT:
Pattern: Prefer verb to action noun
o Wordy: The townspeople’s revolution was against the king.
Revolution is a noun that expresses an action
o Better: The townspeople revolted against the king.

In our case, "determining" verb is preferred over the action noun "(in the) determination of".

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