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633. Senator Lasker has proposed legislation requiring that employers should retain all older workers indefinitely or show just cause for dismissal.
(A) that employers should retain all older workers

(B) that all older workers be retained by employers

(C) the retaining by employers of all older workers

(D) employers’ retention of all older workers

(E) employers to retain all older workers


Why E over B?



Ok, Let's try to complete the sentence using B:

Senator Lasker has proposed legislation requiring that all older workers be retained by employers indefinitely or show just cause for dismissal.

Who has to show the cause for dismisssal??
It's employers. But in above sentence , the clause "show just cause for dismissal" is missing noun.

Now let's try with E.

Senator Lasker has proposed legislation requiring employers to retain all older workers indefinitely or show just cause for dismissal.

It's clear that who has to show the cause for dismissal.

Hence E should be the answer.

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I still have doubt why E is correct and not B. As per the subjunctive definition it should have that +infinitive form of verb without to .

This clearly is satisfied by choice B , any comments ??
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The SC is checking the correct uses of idiom.
Correct idiom relating to require are:
1. requiring to x to y, and
2. requiring that xy
Correct answer is E.
(E) employers to retain all older workers
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633. Senator Lasker has proposed legislation requiring that employers should retain all older workers indefinitely or show just cause for dismissal.
(A) that employers should retain all older workers
(B) that all older workers be retained by employers
(C) the retaining by employers of all older workers
(D) employers’ retention of all older workers
(E) employers to retain all older workers

Here the non underlined portion contains requiring which is a Verb-ing modifier.
of the format
Clause Verb-ing.
here Verb-ing modifies the closest noun which has to be employers.
hence options DE
D: -ion makes it wakward and wordy
E: correct answer :-D
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I am not able to reject B here , Is is rejected just for being a passing voice . what happened to subjunctive rule.
Thanks mod for your time and help.
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633. Senator Lasker has proposed legislation requiring that employers should retain all older workers indefinitely or show just cause for dismissal.

(A) that employers should retain all older workers
(B) that all older workers be retained by employers
(C) the retaining by employers of all older workers
(D) employers’ retention of all older workers
(E) employers to retain all older workers


The answer is E

In GMAT should is used for moral obligation
Here Laws are mandatory so we have to use infinitive of purpose .
The non underlined part of the sentence is in direct voice so we have to maintain the structure
So E is the best answer
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I am not able to reject B here , Is is rejected just for being a passing voice . what happened to subjunctive rule.
Thanks mod for your time and help.


hey I have a doubt regarding the use of subjunctive rule.
Is it a rule that the verb present in the sentence should always be in the base form, when there is subjunctive use?
And if it is a rule then option B is wrong because the verb "retained" is not in the base form.
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kannu44 wrote:
I am not able to reject B here , Is is rejected just for being a passing voice . what happened to subjunctive rule.
Thanks mod for your time and help.


hey I have a doubt regarding the use of subjunctive rule.
Is it a rule that the verb present in the sentence should always be in the base form, when there is subjunctive use?
And if it is a rule then option B is wrong because the verb "retained" is not in the base form.


Subjunctive word (such as demand, suggest, recommend, require, order, mandate) + that + NOUN + BASE FORM of the VERB (e.g., be, go, stop, run, excel) i.e., the infinitive without the to part.
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kannu44 wrote:
I am not able to reject B here , Is is rejected just for being a passing voice . what happened to subjunctive rule.
Thanks mod for your time and help.


hey I have a doubt regarding the use of subjunctive rule.
Is it a rule that the verb present in the sentence should always be in the base form, when there is subjunctive use?
And if it is a rule then option B is wrong because the verb "retained" is not in the base form.


Subjunctive word (such as demand, suggest, recommend, require, order, mandate) + that + NOUN + BASE FORM of the VERB (e.g., be, go, stop, run, excel) i.e., the infinitive without the to part.

So using past tense of the verb is not a correct usage in subjunctive format and hence is incorrect, right? Or is there any other reason ?


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Experts,
could you please explain why the option E (OA) is not in subjective mood??
Dont we need subjective mood here?

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Subjunctive mood requires the verb of the subordinate class to be in the bare infinitive namely "retain" and not with a modal verb 'should'. Therefore it is wrong. Please do not have misconceptions about this. People expect subjunctive mood usage the moment 'that' is used; someone wants subjunctive mood because the sentence uses the main verb such as 'require' or 'propose'. Sometimes people do not even expect a relative clause to follow with a bare infinitive verb.

Why choice A doesn't use a subjunctive structure is anybody's guess.
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633. Senator Lasker has proposed legislation requiring that employers should retain all older workers indefinitely or show just cause for dismissal.
(A) that employers should retain all older workers
(B) that all older workers be retained by employers
(C) the retaining by employers of all older workers
(D) employers’ retention of all older workers
(E) employers to retain all older workers

Here the non underlined portion contains requiring which is a Verb-ing modifier.
of the format
Clause Verb-ing.
here Verb-ing modifies the closest noun which has to be employers.
hence options DE
D: -ion makes it wakward and wordy
E: correct answer :-D


Hey VeritasKarishma generis

Is the above line of reasoning correct?

If we go by the above reasoning, then no sentence can be of the form bossy verb-ing + that.

Please correct me if I'm missing something here.

Thank you!
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633. Senator Lasker has proposed legislation requiring that employers should retain all older workers indefinitely or show just cause for dismissal.
(A) that employers should retain all older workers
(B) that all older workers be retained by employers
(C) the retaining by employers of all older workers
(D) employers’ retention of all older workers
(E) employers to retain all older workers

Here the non underlined portion contains requiring which is a Verb-ing modifier.
of the format
Clause Verb-ing.
here Verb-ing modifies the closest noun which has to be employers.
hence options DE
D: -ion makes it wakward and wordy
E: correct answer :-D


Hey VeritasKarishma generis

Is the above line of reasoning correct?

If we go by the above reasoning, then no sentence can be of the form bossy verb-ing + that.

Please correct me if I'm missing something here.

Thank you!


I do not understand the logic given by the user. Option (A) has a problem that you cannot use "should". You need to use the subjunctive "requiring that employers retain". Note why this is so - when you have already used "requiring", then "should" is pointless. So we say "employers should retain ..." or "... requires that employers retain..."

Option (B) sorts this issue but brings in a new problem:
... legislation requiring that all older workers be retained by employers...
is ok but the rest of the non underlined part says "or show just cause...".
This becomes:

... legislation requiring that all older workers be retained by employers or (all older workers) show just cause...
Not correct. Employers have to show just cause.

Option (C) is a train wreck. We don't even have a subject for "show just cause". Same problem occurs in (D) too.

Option (E) clearly says
... requiring employers to retain all older workers or show just cause ...
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