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# Shortage of 2,419 PhDs in Business in 10 years

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Basically, you can read the same information in the file attached by me in PDF format.

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Wondering what the job outlook is for a PhD in business? Check out this AACSB report: http://www.aacsb.edu/publications/dfc/default.asp

Highlights:
- In 5 years there will be a shortage of 1,142 business PhDs
- In 10 years there will be a shortage of 2,419 business PhDs
- Shortages are resulting in escalating salaries
- Doctorates produced are at the lowest levels since 1987

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The emphasis is on qualified, well trained Ph.D's. Plus, today the standards are higher. A publication record is also fast becoming as important as the Ph.D itself as far as hiring decisions are concerned.

I dont think anyone should be under the illusion that everyone who graduates will get a job of their choice.

As cliched as it sounds, anyone considering a doctorate should go for the love of it. You wont enjoy it otherwise. Dont go in expecting to meet minimum standards of the program. There are schools where students work 80-100 hrs a week. Due Diligence is of utmost importance.

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If it is for the money, MBA -> IB/MC path. Furthermore, the opportunity cost is higher for attaining a PhD compared to that for MBA. And you see the money rolling in slower for the PhD (5 years vs. 2 years for MBA).
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You're saying this professor is making somewhere around $400K a year? I'd say that's an ok living... Do professors commonly engage in consulting/side work? CEO Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Posts: 3460 Followers: 68 Kudos [?]: 818 [2] , given: 781 [#permalink] ### Show Tags 16 Feb 2006, 10:32 2 This post received KUDOS Money and your qualifications absolutely go hand in hand. Have 1 publication and 2 papers under review (mutliple authors is just fine) and you will be a great great bet for any university. Also, take an extra year if you can and get to the 1 pub + 2 in review stage. This will not only help you get to a decent research oriented school , but will also give a heck of a head start in the process of gettting tenure. When targeting publications, start with the top journals. Remember you are training yourself so that you can get tenure, not just a Ph.D. Be willing to dive into for example, Management Science articles and try to replicate results wherever possible. Many professors make a lot of money from consulting. A side benefit is that you get a lot of real problems to work on , not only for yourself , but also for your graduate students. This translates into a lot of research opportunities and hence more publications. Praetorian Intern Joined: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 37 Location: INDIA Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 5 [2] , given: 0 [#permalink] ### Show Tags 17 Apr 2006, 07:36 2 This post received KUDOS Guys i would do a PHD more for love of it than for money. _________________ regards, ===================== Look for the bigger Picture. SVP Joined: 29 Aug 2007 Posts: 2492 Followers: 65 Kudos [?]: 681 [2] , given: 19 [#permalink] ### Show Tags 07 Nov 2007, 15:04 2 This post received KUDOS maneeshkumar wrote: Guys i would do a PHD more for love of it than for money. Exactly. People in the US/west evaluate everything with money but in the east (basically in South Asia) the same is not the case. People in the east value the degree with knowledge and education. Manager Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 196 Followers: 7 Kudos [?]: 45 [2] , given: 2 [#permalink] ### Show Tags 11 Nov 2007, 05:22 2 This post received KUDOS GMAT TIGER wrote: Exactly. People in the US/west evaluate everything with money but in the east (basically in South Asia) the same is not the case. People in the east value the degree with knowledge and education. I'm not sure such blanket generalizations help. Where are you going with this purely racist stuff? I'm not Asian, and I chose to go the PhD path, and I know for a fact that there are plenty of people in my position.. Senior Manager Joined: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 413 Followers: 1 Kudos [?]: 19 [2] , given: 0 [#permalink] ### Show Tags 11 Nov 2007, 05:47 2 This post received KUDOS The comment by GMAT TIGER is neither necessary nor representative. I have talked to Asians who emphasized about where/how to get good money post-PhD. I have spoken to Westerners in my PhD program who really show a passion for academia. One guy just completed his MBA but immediately continued on with a PhD program. Senior Manager Joined: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 387 Followers: 1 Kudos [?]: 321 [2] , given: 0 [#permalink] ### Show Tags 11 Nov 2007, 09:08 2 This post received KUDOS not that i'm being representative of either side... i left a job that earned me more than atypical post phd tenure track business asst. prof. would earn, just to go through the arduous path of the phd. yes, for the love of it. Senior Manager Joined: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 413 Followers: 1 Kudos [?]: 19 [2] , given: 0 Re: Shortage of 2,419 PhDs in Business in 10 years [#permalink] ### Show Tags 17 Jul 2008, 07:07 2 This post received KUDOS perfectexamscore wrote: i think a phd is business is overrated. better off to stick with the mba overrated in what way? financial returns? knowledge attainment? prestige? btw, if everyone stick with the mba, eventually there might not be any mba for anyone to stick to. In any case, just as an mba is not for everyone, neither is a phd. _________________ Intern Joined: 13 Feb 2006 Posts: 4 Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 6 [1] , given: 0 [#permalink] ### Show Tags 16 Feb 2006, 08:25 1 This post received KUDOS While I agree that better money can be made in the non-education sector I believe most don't realize how much you can actually earn in the education market. I had a conversation with a MIS department head about a month ago at a Tier 2 B-school and he told me that starting salaries for new tenure-track positions is up around$90-100K and there are some at the school (obviously with lots of experience) making well over $200K teaching and at least that consulting on the side. I just want folks to realize that the demand is there and you can make an ok living teaching. CEO Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Posts: 3460 Followers: 68 Kudos [?]: 818 [1] , given: 781 [#permalink] ### Show Tags 16 Feb 2006, 10:38 1 This post received KUDOS Chapman wrote: You're saying this professor is making somewhere around$400K a year? I'd say that's an ok living...

Do professors commonly engage in consulting/side work?

$400K for a professor is actually very very good. I am sure many professors make more than that with consulting projects. Many have their own consulting firms. I am guessing the consulting projects start after tenure. Unless the projects lead to a big grant, they may not be too valuable as far as tenure is concerned. If you have worked in corporations,$400K doesnt sound as attractive. But factor in the lifestyle and its a whole lot different.
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Exactly. People in the US/west evaluate everything with money but in the east (basically in South Asia) the same is not the case. People in the east value the degree with knowledge and education.

I'm not sure such blanket generalizations help. Where are you going with this purely racist stuff? I'm not Asian, and I chose to go the PhD path, and I know for a fact that there are plenty of people in my position..

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GMAT TIGER wrote:
maneeshkumar wrote:
Guys i would do a PHD more for love of it than for money.

Exactly. People in the US/west evaluate everything with money but in the east (basically in South Asia) the same is not the case. People in the east value the degree with knowledge and education.

Sorry guys for any misunderstanding and I appologize to you all if it was offensive.

being respectful to everybody, I further want to add that people everywhere are becoming more money oriented.

my intention was to say that if i do PHD, i do it for my love of and quest for high level of specilized knowledge and deeper understanding of subject matter.
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i think a phd is business is overrated. better off to stick with the mba
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This shortage is true.. I've read the AACSB report, and other sites on the internet confirm this. A lot of business professors are retiring within the next 5 - 15 years.

Btw, the PhD is NOT overrated! Of course, it is not for everyone. But so is college - it's not for everyone, or the MBA.. It's just a matter of preference.
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i know that AACSB requirements require a minimum amount of full time PhDs on staff, but... unfortunately, just because a professor retires does not mean he or she will be replaced by another professor; i think education has unfortunately adopted too much of a business model approach and professors get replaced with cheap part time adjuncts w/ no benefits whenever possible.
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anonymousegmat wrote:
i know that AACSB requirements require a minimum amount of full time PhDs on staff, but... unfortunately, just because a professor retires does not mean he or she will be replaced by another professor; i think education has unfortunately adopted too much of a business model approach and professors get replaced with cheap part time adjuncts w/ no benefits whenever possible.

I would contend that part of these "business dynamics" are due to the b-school deans at top schools being so fixated on MBA rankings. One way to get up in the rankings (it's been tried before, at least) it to reduce class size and increase selectivity. That way you don't need as many faculty members and you can afford to have some retirements without replacement.

I'd also add that as someone who was an adjunct faculty member before becoming a PhD student, I don't think we can implicitly generalize that the quality of b-school education has decreased along with the increased use of part time adjunct faculty and other practitioners. I know more about accounting for business combinations than any of my current professors (at a top 20 b-school) will ever want to know, and I taught at a 2nd tier Canadian school. And while it's also true that AACSB requirements require a minimum proportion of full-time tenure track PhDs, their rules are actually almost as extensive for evaluating the credentials of adjunct faculty; as an example, practitioners/professionals who teach one course per semester are viewed much more favorably than full-time lecturers and non-tenure track faculty members.
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cabro57 wrote:
anonymousegmat wrote:
i know that AACSB requirements require a minimum amount of full time PhDs on staff, but... unfortunately, just because a professor retires does not mean he or she will be replaced by another professor; i think education has unfortunately adopted too much of a business model approach and professors get replaced with cheap part time adjuncts w/ no benefits whenever possible.

I would contend that part of these "business dynamics" are due to the b-school deans at top schools being so fixated on MBA rankings. One way to get up in the rankings (it's been tried before, at least) it to reduce class size and increase selectivity. That way you don't need as many faculty members and you can afford to have some retirements without replacement.

I'd also add that as someone who was an adjunct faculty member before becoming a PhD student, I don't think we can implicitly generalize that the quality of b-school education has decreased along with the increased use of part time adjunct faculty and other practitioners. I know more about accounting for business combinations than any of my current professors (at a top 20 b-school) will ever want to know, and I taught at a 2nd tier Canadian school. And while it's also true that AACSB requirements require a minimum proportion of full-time tenure track PhDs, their rules are actually almost as extensive for evaluating the credentials of adjunct faculty; as an example, practitioners/professionals who teach one course per semester are viewed much more favorably than full-time lecturers and non-tenure track faculty members.

I'm not dissing adjuncts at all. my comment on cheap/no benefits is coming from the point of view that I think it is unfair treatment and sort of creates second class citizen type treatment for them and not meant to be an evaluation of their quality. I've seen adjuncts teach 3 or 4 sections a semester at the same school... maybe the person wasn't a great researcher and thats why they never landed a tt job, but in my mind that person should just be given a contract position as a prof. its akin to the treatment illegal immigrants get.
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