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Similar questions, but different answers. tricky. [#permalink] New post 16 Sep 2006, 05:48
1. One of Arthur Jessop’s first acts as president of the FHA was to deny a request from the private sector that federal home loan programs should be expanded to cover houses not conforming to civil construction codes.
(A) should be expanded to cover houses not conforming to
(B) be expanded to cover houses not conforming to
(C) should be expand to cover houses not conforming with
(D) would have been expanded to cover houses not conforming to
(E) had to be expanded to cover houses not conforming with

2. One of Ronald Reagan’s first acts as President was to rescind President Carter’s directive that any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States be prohibited from sale to other countries.
(A) that any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States be prohibited from sale to other countries
(B) that any chemical be prohibited from sale to other countries that was banned on medical grounds in the United States
(C) prohibiting the sale to other countries of any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States
(D) prohibiting that any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States is sold to other countries
(E) that any chemical banned in the United States on medical grounds is prohibited from being sold to other countries

I got both the above questions wrong :( and for the wrong reasons...I say this because had I used my logic other way I would have got both right.

Explain the answers and why.... and will be good to know the subtle difference between these two question.

OA to follow.
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 [#permalink] New post 16 Sep 2006, 06:00
1. B --- subjunctive. straight one.

2. C --- This one looks special. Somehow at first glance A looks like an answer since it uses right idiom. But it uses passive structure. C on the other hand may not use right idiom but then there is nothing wrong in it. It uses active structure.

(A) that any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States be prohibited from sale to other countries
passive
(B) that any chemical be prohibited from sale to other countries that was banned on medical grounds in the United States
that modifies wrong noun
(C) prohibiting the sale to other countries of any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States
(D) prohibiting that any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States is sold to other countries
distorts meaning
(E) that any chemical banned in the United States on medical grounds is prohibited from being sold to other countries
wordy
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Re: Similar questions, but different answers. tricky. [#permalink] New post 16 Sep 2006, 06:34
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1. One of Arthur Jessop’s first acts as president of the FHA was to deny a request from the private sector that federal home loan programs should be expanded to cover houses not conforming to civil construction codes.
(A) should be expanded to cover houses not conforming to
(B) be expanded to cover houses not conforming to
(C) should be expand to cover houses not conforming with
(D) would have been expanded to cover houses not conforming to
(E) had to be expanded to cover houses not conforming with

2. One of Ronald Reagan’s first acts as President was to rescind President Carter’s directive that any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States be prohibited from sale to other countries.
(A) that any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States be prohibited from sale to other countries
(B) that any chemical be prohibited from sale to other countries that was banned on medical grounds in the United States
(C) prohibiting the sale to other countries of any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States
(D) prohibiting that any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States is sold to other countries
(E) that any chemical banned in the United States on medical grounds is prohibited from being sold to other countries

I got both the above questions wrong :( and for the wrong reasons...I say this because had I used my logic other way I would have got both right.

Explain the answers and why.... and will be good to know the subtle difference between these two question.

OA to follow.


The first is a straight from subjunctive mood

request is one of the egg's in the subjunctive nest

the second one is C
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 [#permalink] New post 16 Sep 2006, 08:24
B and C

THe first one is subjunctive mood, the request is still valid, it is being made currently.

The second one is not subjunctive. The request was already made in the past. Subjunctive is used for expressing the feelings of "now". E.g.
I wish he were nicer.
I request that you be nice.
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 [#permalink] New post 16 Sep 2006, 11:07
I go wid B and A
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 [#permalink] New post 17 Sep 2006, 08:47
Though the OA are B and C but I am still not very clear...

mailtheguru explanation seems to be the closest, but I don't think in 1st question the request is still valid. In both the cases all the actions happened in the past.

Only reasoning I could think of is in the 1st case a request is being described so subordinate clause should be in subjunctive mood.

Similarly in the 2nd question a directive is being described... so subjunctive should be used here too.

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Re: Similar questions, but different answers. tricky. [#permalink] New post 17 Sep 2006, 15:22
ash82 wrote:
1. One of Arthur Jessop’s first acts as president of the FHA was to deny a request from the private sector that federal home loan programs should be expanded to cover houses not conforming to civil construction codes.
(A) should be expanded to cover houses not conforming to
(B) be expanded to cover houses not conforming to
(C) should be expand to cover houses not conforming with
(D) would have been expanded to cover houses not conforming to
(E) had to be expanded to cover houses not conforming with

2. One of Ronald Reagan’s first acts as President was to rescind President Carter’s directive that any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States be prohibited from sale to other countries.
(A) that any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States be prohibited from sale to other countries
(B) that any chemical be prohibited from sale to other countries that was banned on medical grounds in the United States
(C) prohibiting the sale to other countries of any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States
(D) prohibiting that any chemical banned on medical grounds in the United States is sold to other countries
(E) that any chemical banned in the United States on medical grounds is prohibited from being sold to other countries

I got both the above questions wrong :( and for the wrong reasons...I say this because had I used my logic other way I would have got both right.

Explain the answers and why.... and will be good to know the subtle difference between these two question.

OA to follow.


Verbs such as demand, request, require, ask, suggest, recommend, insist, propose, when followed by THAT SUBJECT VERB should be in the subjunctive mood, which is the bare infinitive (without to).

Examples: I ask that you be here on time (though we could also say I ask you to be on time)
He insisted that the money be taken from his account (note how 'He insisted that the money was taken from his account has a different meaning - insist-assert forcefully)

I request that you not smoke here.

The subjunctive mood is also used with the nouns formed from the above verbs, as well as other nouns ´'directive/mandate/ that. Her recommendation that the plant be closed seems wise.

Also note that many verbs CANNOT use the subjunctive. Don't say 'I persuaded that she see a doctor', but rather ....her to see...

You might think that A is correct in Q2, but 'prohibited from sale' is unidiomatic, whereas prohibit the sale is OK.
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 [#permalink] New post 17 Sep 2006, 18:54
B

and

C.
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 [#permalink] New post 18 Sep 2006, 23:34
Excellent explanation Kevin..... now all this make sense... I knew the rules but I didn't realize the precise difference :)

Just to close the loop, here are the rules:

1. For subjunctive mood the the words such as suggest, recommend, insist, propose should be followed by 'that' which will describe the subjunctive verb or noun

2. And if the subjunctive verbs or noun are not followed by 'that' then use of subjunctive verb is not required. As demonstrated by question 2 in this thread.
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 [#permalink] New post 19 Sep 2006, 01:33
B and C it is.
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 [#permalink] New post 19 Sep 2006, 02:45
I saw another excellent explanation on different question though from Paul at.....

http://www.gmatclub.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=14221
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