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Similar to rising interest rates, consumer and
producer prices have been rising.

(A) Similar to rising interest rates, consumer and
producer prices have been rising.
(B) Consumer and producer prices have been rising,
as have interest rates.
(C) As interest rates are rising, so have consumer
and producer prices.
(D) Consumer and producer prices have been rising,
like interest rates do.
(E) Consumer and producer prices, as interest rates,
have been rising.

I am having a problem recognizing the "as" usage. Please can anyone provide some useful pointers in recognizing 'as' SCs.
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Re: Similar to rising interest rates [#permalink] New post 06 Dec 2010, 08:24
Similar to rising interest rates, consumer and
producer prices have been rising.


Sorry I forgot to underline it.
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Re: Similar to rising interest rates [#permalink] New post 06 Dec 2010, 14:14
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Good question. "As" in the context in which you are asking has to do with comparisons. Notice how the question substitutes "similar to" and "like" for "as" in the different answer choices. On the GMAT, "like" and "as" serve different purposes. (People very often use these wrong in speech, so be careful):


Like: Used to compare nouns
As: Used to compare clauses (clauses contain verbs)

"My uncle looks like my aunt." --> Correct: We're saying the two look SIMILAR TO each other. One noun (my uncle) is similar to another noun (my aunt).

"My uncle looks at me as my aunt does."--> Correct: We're saying they both look at me in a similar way. They both DO things in a similar way, so we're no longer comparing nouns and thus can't use "like."

"My uncle looks as my aunt." --> Incorrect. "My aunt" is a noun and and needs to be compared using "like."
"My uncle looks at me like my aunt does." --> Incorrect because we're comparing two clauses (how my uncle looks at me and how my aunt looks at me) and thus we need to use "as" instead of "like."

The question you want to ask yourself, then, is: "What is being compared to what?" If you're comparing nouns, use "like." If you're comparing clauses, use "as."

This all helps explain some of the wrong answers.

The next thing to notice here is that comparisons (which use "like" or "as") require parallel construction. If you look at a few of these answer choices, you see broken parallelism:

As (present tense), so (present perfect tense).
As (present perfect tense), so (present tense).

So we can also narrow down answer choices this way. Why don't you use this to take a guess and see how you do? I'll be notified when you respond.

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Re: Similar to rising interest rates [#permalink] New post 06 Dec 2010, 16:38
Is A incorrect because it is comparing interest rates to rise in consumer prices?
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Re: Similar to rising interest rates [#permalink] New post 07 Dec 2010, 08:04
Will someone please take a moment to explain why A) is incorrect.

A) Only throws me off because rising interest rates may loosely be connected with consumer and producer prices? Perhaps the sentence would be better as "consumer and producer prices have been rising, similar to interest rates." [someone please confirm]
B) Looks fine to me
C) I believe is not a complete sentence since neither clause is an independent clause. I also believe that the are/have verb tenses conflict. [someone please confirm]
D) Should be AS instead of LIKE
E) Should be LIKE instead of AS
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Re: Similar to rising interest rates [#permalink] New post 07 Dec 2010, 15:43
Thanks Brett....awesome explanation. Given the explanation B looks the best.
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Re: Similar to rising interest rates [#permalink] New post 07 Dec 2010, 17:40
Why would option E but incorrect in this case? As is used correctly used with a clause and "have been rising" correctly modifies prices. Thanks.
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Re: Similar to rising interest rates [#permalink] New post 07 Dec 2010, 19:46
gettinit,
Thats a good point you make. Brett can you please elaborate on this. The only reason I can think of E being incorrect is awkwardness.
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Re: Similar to rising interest rates [#permalink] New post 08 Dec 2010, 07:04
Brett, could it be possible because "like" should be used here with interest rates rather than "as" because interest rates is a noun and needs like for comparison rather than as which requires a clause with a verb? Thanks.
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Re: Similar to rising interest rates [#permalink] New post 08 Dec 2010, 07:39
E is incorrect because "as" is being used to compare to nouns...consumer and producer prices to interest rates .
There is no comparison of clauses here , only nouns are being compared.
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Re: Similar to rising interest rates [#permalink] New post 09 Dec 2010, 13:15
is C not ||? could anybody elaborate on that?
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Re: Similar to rising interest rates [#permalink] New post 10 Dec 2010, 18:30
Great discussion here! Let's tackle these questions individually:

Is A incorrect because it is comparing interest rates to rise in consumer prices?
--> A is actually comparing "rising interest rates" to consumer prices. In effect, we are saying that both "rising interest rates" and "consumer prices" are rising. It doesn't make sense to say that "rising interest rates" are rising.

Why is E incorrect?
--> E is incorrect because (as gettinit mentions), we need to use "like" in place of "as" before "interest rates" because "interest rates" is a noun and thus needs to be compared using "like." (see my previous explanation).

Is C parallel?
-->No. We say as interest rates "are rising"..."so have" the other prices. To be parallel here, we'd have to say "As interest rates are rising, prices are rising." or "Like interest rates, prices are rising."

Does that help alleviate some of the concern here?

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Re: Similar to rising interest rates [#permalink] New post 10 Dec 2010, 18:59
So the answer is B? I don't get why C is wrong though..

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Re: Similar to rising interest rates [#permalink] New post 10 Dec 2010, 19:05
C is wrong because it is not parallel. (Comparisons are basically just a special form of parallelism.)

C says: "As interest rates are rising, so have consumer and producer prices."

The verb in the first part is "are rising." This is a different tense than "have." Those two tenses need to be parallel.

You could correctly say: "As interest rates have risen, so too have prices."

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Re: Similar to rising interest rates [#permalink] New post 11 Dec 2010, 03:33
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C is wrong because it is not parallel. (Comparisons are basically just a special form of parallelism.)

C says: "As interest rates are rising, so have consumer and producer prices."

The verb in the first part is "are rising." This is a different tense than "have." Those two tenses need to be parallel.

You could correctly say: "As interest rates have risen, so too have prices."

Does that help?

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Yes, it does. Thank you.

And what about the idiom? If C were "As interest rates are rising, so are consumer and producer prices" would be correct, or would be wrong because the proper idiom is "Just as...so".

Another question: If C were "As interest rates are rising, so have been consumer and producer prices" would be ||? can a present continous be parallel with a present perfect?
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Re: Similar to rising interest rates [#permalink] New post 11 Dec 2010, 03:37
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ajit257,

Good question. "As" in the context in which you are asking has to do with comparisons. Notice how the question substitutes "similar to" and "like" for "as" in the different answer choices. On the GMAT, "like" and "as" serve different purposes. (People very often use these wrong in speech, so be careful):


Like: Used to compare nouns
As: Used to compare clauses (clauses contain verbs)

"My uncle looks like my aunt." --> Correct: We're saying the two look SIMILAR TO each other. One noun (my uncle) is similar to another noun (my aunt).

"My uncle looks at me as my aunt does."--> Correct: We're saying they both look at me in a similar way. They both DO things in a similar way, so we're no longer comparing nouns and thus can't use "like."

"My uncle looks as my aunt." --> Incorrect. "My aunt" is a noun and and needs to be compared using "like."
"My uncle looks at me like my aunt does." --> Incorrect because we're comparing two clauses (how my uncle looks at me and how my aunt looks at me) and thus we need to use "as" instead of "like."

The question you want to ask yourself, then, is: "What is being compared to what?" If you're comparing nouns, use "like." If you're comparing clauses, use "as."

This all helps explain some of the wrong answers.

The next thing to notice here is that comparisons (which use "like" or "as") require parallel construction. If you look at a few of these answer choices, you see broken parallelism:

As (present tense), so (present perfect tense).
As (present perfect tense), so (present tense).

So we can also narrow down answer choices this way. Why don't you use this to take a guess and see how you do? I'll be notified when you respond.

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Hi Brett I can make out that you have rejected C because
of the different tense usaage.
As present tense ,so present perfect.
I think this sentence requires different tense usage.The sentence needs to convey the message that "Interest rates are rising now the way consumer and producer prices have been rising in the past and are still rising.
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Re: Similar to rising interest rates [#permalink] New post 13 Dec 2010, 06:17
mundasingh123,

You are right that the prices rose in the recent past and continue to do so, thus they "have been rising." However, the grammar in the sentence is more important than the meaning of the sentence. Since (B) is the only answer that is grammatically correct, you really shouldn't worry about whether the meaning is at all changed from the original or whether it says exactly what you think it should say. Grammar is king on the GMAT.

The meaning of (B) is that both the prices and the rates are on an upward trend, thus they have both "been rising." I don't see any problem with that from a grammar sense or a meaning sense.

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Re: Similar to rising interest rates [#permalink] New post 13 Dec 2010, 12:05
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mundasingh123,

You are right that the prices rose in the recent past and continue to do so, thus they "have been rising." However, the grammar in the sentence is more important than the meaning of the sentence. Since (B) is the only answer that is grammatically correct, you really shouldn't worry about whether the meaning is at all changed from the original or whether it says exactly what you think it should say. Grammar is king on the GMAT.

The meaning of (B) is that both the prices and the rates are on an upward trend, thus they have both "been rising." I don't see any problem with that from a grammar sense or a meaning sense.

Does that explanation help?

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Could you explain my "idiom" question above?

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And what about the idiom? If C were "As interest rates are rising, so are consumer and producer prices" would be correct, or would be wrong because the proper idiom is "Just as...so".


"Just as X, so Y..."

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"Just as X, Y..."

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"As X, Y..."

are ALL correct idioms. Your sentence would therefore be correct. I'll be honest that your example feels a little unusual to me, but grammatically it's just fine.

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Re: Similar to rising interest rates, consumer and producer [#permalink] New post 24 Jun 2014, 11:27
Though been is missing in second half of the comparison, I think parallelism is still acceptable in B. I got some examples from other sites :

Since 1970, CO2 levels from fossil fuel use and deforestation have been rising, as have levels of nitrous oxide.
hotel occupancies have been rising, as have room rates
Figures show that home sales have been rising, as have home prices.
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