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651. Since the 1930’s aircraft manufacturers have tried to build airplanes with frictionless wings, shaped so smoothly and perfectly that the air passing over them would not become turbulent.
(A) wings, shaped so smoothly and perfectly
(B) wings, wings so smooth and so perfectly shaped
(C) wings that are shaped so smooth and perfect
(D) wings, shaped in such a smooth and perfect manner
(E) wings, wings having been shaped smoothly and perfectly so
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Since the 1930’s aircraft manufacturers have tried to build airplanes with frictionless wings, shaped so smoothly and perfectly that the air passing over them would not become turbulent.

(A) wings, shaped so smoothly and perfectly
(B) wings, wings so smooth and so perfectly shaped
(C) wings that are shaped so smooth and perfect
(D) wings, shaped in such a smooth and perfect manner
(E) wings, wings having been shaped smoothly and perfectly so

Hm. C is an easy elimination (shaped so smooth). I also think we can eliminate anything that describes its shaping as "smoothly". So we'll get rid of A and E. Now we're down to B and D. B has better structure. B it is.
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Re: 1930’s aircraft manufacturers [#permalink] New post 11 Jun 2012, 06:59
I think we can eliminate A and D for the reason that it's not clear whether the ...shaped refers to the airplane or the wings :o
That should refer to something singular, so C is out.
E sounds verbose.
B it is.



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Since the 1930’s aircraft manufacturers have tried to build airplanes with frictionless wings, shaped so smoothly and perfectly that the air passing over them would not become turbulent.

(A) wings, shaped so smoothly and perfectly
(B) wings, wings so smooth and so perfectly shaped
(C) wings that are shaped so smooth and perfect
(D) wings, shaped in such a smooth and perfect manner
(E) wings, wings having been shaped smoothly and perfectly so

Hm. C is an easy elimination (shaped so smooth). I also think we can eliminate anything that describes its shaping as "smoothly". So we'll get rid of A and E. Now we're down to B and D. B has better structure. B it is.
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Re: Since the 1930 s aircraft manufacturers have tried to build [#permalink] New post 18 Apr 2013, 06:29
Why is "C" an easy elimination. I did not understand
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Re: Since the 1930 s aircraft manufacturers have tried to build [#permalink] New post 19 Apr 2013, 10:56
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Hi rrkan, tricky question, duped me too.

C is out cos - shaped so smooth and perfect (here smooth and perfect are supposed to modify shaped - ed verb - thus we need adverb and an adjective, but if you see we have both as adjectives)

Choice B it is, since "...so smooth....so perfectly shaped" i notice how adverb perfectly is modifying shaped and adjective smooth is modifying adverb perfectly and also parallelism of so x so y is maintained
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Re: Since the 1930 s aircraft manufacturers have tried to build [#permalink] New post 19 Apr 2013, 11:41
Not sure why A is wrong. Unless comma has a different meaning..

Per my analysis shaped is a verb playing the modifier role and -ed modifier always modifies the closest noun - which is wings.

Smoothly and Perfectly are adverbs intended for shaped and also the idiom so and that are considered.

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Not sure why A is wrong. Unless comma has a different meaning..

Per my analysis shaped is a verb playing the modifier role and -ed modifier always modifies the closest noun - which is wings.

Smoothly and Perfectly are adverbs intended for shaped and also the idiom so and that are considered.

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A is wrong because there is a dangling modifier which does not clearly state whether the aircraft is smooth and perfectly shaped or the wings.

if you want to modify the noun 'wings' , you will need to place a 'which' (non essential modifiers) after the comma.
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Re: Since the 1930 s aircraft manufacturers have tried to build [#permalink] New post 20 Apr 2013, 03:52
hi lostthepie,
Can you please explain why ed modifer can't modify the near by noun wings and only which can perform that?
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Re: Since the 1930 s aircraft manufacturers have tried to build [#permalink] New post 20 Apr 2013, 04:26
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Can you please explain why ed modifer can't modify the near by noun wings and only which can perform that?



My 2 cents....

verb ed can modify nouns for sure. but if you notice carefully, here noun is "airplanes" "with....wings" is a prepositional phrase modifying "airplanes". Thus it creates an ambiguity as to what exactly verb ed is modifying

use of "that" will make the modifier an essential one, thus it will carefully modify the entire noun phrase "airplane .... wings" and not just airplanes or wings

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Re: Since the 1930 s aircraft manufacturers have tried to build [#permalink] New post 20 Apr 2013, 04:55
So use of that and which is correct if we want to modify a noun with prepostional phrases and ver-ed modifier doesnt have this flexiblity ?am i right?
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Re: Since the 1930 s aircraft manufacturers have tried to build [#permalink] New post 20 Apr 2013, 05:03
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So use of that and which is correct if we want to modify a noun with prepostional phrases and ver-ed modifier doesnt have this flexiblity ?am i right?


That is correct.

Follow the links below, very helpful in clearing the doubts in discussion here. It is better to understand the concept clearly than simply remember grammar rules

usage-of-that-doubt-150338.html

noun-modifiers-can-modify-slightly-far-away-noun-135868.html

verb-ed-modifiers-vs-verb-ing-modifiers-125611.html

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Re: Since the 1930 s aircraft manufacturers have tried to build [#permalink] New post 20 Apr 2013, 07:08
+1 kudos mate for sharing the link.

But if you see those posts we see that verb-ed modifier is also a noun modifier for sure.SO all noun modifiers can modify the far away noun.So verb-ed modifiers can also modify far away noun i guess..please correct me if am wrong
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+1 kudos mate for sharing the link.

But if you see those posts we see that verb-ed modifier is also a noun modifier for sure.SO all noun modifiers can modify the far away noun.So verb-ed modifiers can also modify far away noun i guess..please correct me if am wrong


Thats correct mate....Noun modifiers can modify any entity in a sentence
Verb ed modifier can modify far away nouns

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Re: Since the 1930 s aircraft manufacturers have tried to build [#permalink] New post 08 May 2013, 05:51
Since the 1930’s aircraft manufacturers have tried to build airplanes with frictionless wings, shaped so smoothly and perfectly that the air passing over them would not become turbulent.

(A) wings, shaped so smoothly and perfectly
(B) wings, wings so smooth and so perfectly shaped
(C) wings that are shaped so smooth and perfect
(D) wings, shaped in such a smooth and perfect manner
(E) wings, wings having been shaped smoothly and perfectly so

Notice that "and" is used,
So in B option ,Is it balancing properly "wings so smooth" with "so perfectly shaped" !!
I thought it is not balancing and rejected B at first !!
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Re: Since the 1930 s aircraft manufacturers have tried to build [#permalink] New post 22 Aug 2013, 00:20
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651. Since the 1930’s aircraft manufacturers have tried to build airplanes with frictionless wings, shaped so smoothly and perfectly that the air passing over them would not become turbulent.
(A) wings, shaped so smoothly and perfectly
(B) wings, wings so smooth and so perfectly shaped
(C) wings that are shaped so smooth and perfect
(D) wings, shaped in such a smooth and perfect manner
(E) wings, wings having been shaped smoothly and perfectly so


anyone having a good explanation for this??
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Re: Since the 1930 s aircraft manufacturers have tried to build [#permalink] New post 22 Aug 2013, 23:42
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651. Since the 1930’s aircraft manufacturers have tried to build airplanes with frictionless wings, shaped so smoothly and perfectly that the air passing over them would not become turbulent.
(A) wings, shaped so smoothly and perfectly
(B) wings, wings so smooth and so perfectly shaped
(C) wings that are shaped so smooth and perfect
(D) wings, shaped in such a smooth and perfect manner
(E) wings, wings having been shaped smoothly and perfectly so


anyone having a good explanation for this??
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This question solely carries its weight on meaning issue which then correlates to how we use the modifiers after grasping the meaning...The sentence tries to convey that the wings are smooth ( we know that in an airplane the wings should be smooth so that the friction is zero and the air thus can give the lift to make the plane airborne :wink: Bernoullie's principle ) and the wings are shaped perfectly. Thus the two modifiers here should act independently SMOOTH AS AN ADJECTIVE FOR WINGS and PERFECTLY AS AN ADVERB FOR SHAPED... so i think if u can reach to this subtle conclusion through analysis of the meaning u can easily eliminate all the options but B which keeps the meaning of the sentence perfectly intact ...

Hope it helps..
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