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Skills for good GMAT score, do they help in elite colleges? [#permalink] New post 26 Oct 2010, 18:06
I haven't taken the GMAT yet, but a friend asked me "even if I learned from an elite tutor on how to study for the GMAT and get a 700+ score, can I use those study skills in Harvard, Columbia, etc?"

That question caught my attention. He continued on saying someone might learn from an elite tutor how to write a good essay, learn complex math, and read fast and identify important concepts in passages. But are those skills transferable to get high grades in Harvarrd, Yale, Cornell, and others alike? This is a question that I can't even determine.

I might learn skills from an ivy tutor how to get a high score on the GMAT, but those skills help me in the ivy league colleges?

I mean to get 700+ on the GMAT, you do have to know good math and reading skills at a high level, but I just don't know if that translates into getting high grades at the ivy league colleges. I heard the ivy league will give you work harder than standarized tests and studying passivley doesn't help at those colleges, you have to think critically (again this is what I have heard). This statement goes against the question, but I can't judge yet since I didn't went through this.

What do you guys think?
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Re: Skills for good GMAT score, do they help in elite colleges? [#permalink] New post 27 Oct 2010, 16:51
can they hurt? no. yes they will help.
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Re: Skills for good GMAT score, do they help in elite colleges? [#permalink] New post 05 Jan 2011, 07:30
According to the GMAC, the GMAT score is the best predictive metric on how well a student will perform in the first year of business school. It is more accurate than undergraduate GPA or work experience.

I think the reason for the strong predictive quality of the GMAT, is that for the vast majority of people, a high GMAT score takes a combination of brain power, discipline, and hard work - which will definitely come in handy at B School. Additionally, the GMAT is usually the most recent indicator of such attributes. So for instance, a high undergraduate performer may have lost some academic drive since college and therefore does poorly on the GMAT. If you assume that the most recent behavioral patterns is the best predictive measure of the near future, this student likely won't do so well in B-School. This is likely why the GMAC only reports the correlation to first year performance - as time progresses behavior changes, so the GMAT's predictive capabilities diminish. Furhthermore, unlike GPA's and work experience which are subject to so many varying factors, such as difficulty of courses, difficulty of school, how much your teacher or boss likes you etc, the GMAT is an extremely level playing field. So it is no surprise that the GMAT is a strong academic predictor.

That said, I wouldn't assume you would or would not do well in B School based on your GMAT score, whether aided by a tutor or not. If you know you are smart and an extremely hard worker and just have a hard time with standardized tests in general or the GMAT in particular, you are probably quite likely to do well in B School. On the flip-side, if you can walk into a test center and score a 790 with your eyes closed (see story-that-nobody-wants-to-hear-107050.html#p846321), that does not mean you will do well in business school - particularly in the classes that rely more on hard work and discipline than raw brain power.

So in short, yes the skills you learn studying for the GMAT will likely help in B School, but more importantly, it is the ability to combine your intellect with hard work to do well on the GMAT that should indicate how well you are likely to perform in B School
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Re: Skills for good GMAT score, do they help in elite colleges? [#permalink] New post 05 Jan 2011, 11:31
it will!!! it s a good starting position!!!
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Re: Skills for good GMAT score, do they help in elite colleges? [#permalink] New post 05 Jan 2011, 11:35
to clarify...to get a high score at the gmat you need to be smart+hard working...qualities you need to get good grades!!!
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Re: Skills for good GMAT score, do they help in elite colleges? [#permalink] New post 05 Jan 2011, 12:53
Not sure i agree... I know folks who study for three weeks just to get a 740. I know other folks who study for months and months just to get a 500... They are people who are really good at taking standardized tests...

The GMAT score may predict the performance on first year at business school. That being said, i know of a student right now at booth, who is having a really hard time in classes such as accounting and economics. Her professors asked her to drop and retake a class the following quarter. While this same student scored a 700 on the GMAT.
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Re: Skills for good GMAT score, do they help in elite colleges? [#permalink] New post 05 Jan 2011, 14:46
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I think the reason for the strong predictive quality of the GMAT, is that for the vast majority of people, a high GMAT score takes a combination of brain power, discipline, and hard work - which will definitely come in handy at B School. Additionally, the GMAT is usually the most recent indicator of such attributes. So for instance, a high undergraduate performer may have lost some academic drive since college and therefore does poorly on the GMAT. If you assume that the most recent behavioral patterns is the best predictive measure of the near future, this student likely won't do so well in B-School.



So I suppose people that take the GMAT well before they start their MBA (for example, I'll be doing the GMAT in 3 months, applying for Fall 2012) might be at a disadvantage to those who do the GMAT 2-3 months before the application process?
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Re: Skills for good GMAT score, do they help in elite colleges? [#permalink] New post 07 Jan 2011, 04:43
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So I suppose people that take the GMAT well before they start their MBA (for example, I'll be doing the GMAT in 3 months, applying for Fall 2012) might be at a disadvantage to those who do the GMAT 2-3 months before the application process?


As far as I know, business schools don't generally care when you take the GMAT. I was just saying that because most applicants take the GMAT well after completing their undergraduate studies, it is often a more recent datapoint than undergraduate GPA.
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