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Re: So you want great work life balance post MBA [#permalink] New post 14 Jul 2011, 09:06
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I'm curious about the compensation spread of Corp Finance/Gen Mgmt vs Consulting...I agree that it probably tends to be overstated. I always figured similar post-MBA salaries with Consulting getting much larger bonuses.


Yes, riverripper is definitely correct that the amount that consultants get paid (at least in the first few years) isn't as much as people think although the signing bonuses and potential tuition reimbursements make it pretty attractive.

From a base salary and bonus standpoint for 1st year MBA grads, here's where I think people land.

Corporate Finance $95k base + $15-25k bonus = $110-120k
Brand Management $100k base + $30k bonus = $130k
Consulting $100k base + $30-50k bonus = $130-150k
IB/PE $100k base + ??? bonus = $100 - 500k. :)
Disney (General Management) = $70-80k
Google = $120-130k base + ?? bonus
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Re: So you want great work life balance post MBA [#permalink] New post 14 Jul 2011, 09:30
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Re: So you want great work life balance post MBA [#permalink] New post 14 Jul 2011, 11:13
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mbain2012a wrote:

I'm curious about the compensation spread of Corp Finance/Gen Mgmt vs Consulting...I agree that it probably tends to be overstated. I always figured similar post-MBA salaries with Consulting getting much larger bonuses.


Yes, riverripper is definitely correct that the amount that consultants get paid (at least in the first few years) isn't as much as people think although the signing bonuses and potential tuition reimbursements make it pretty attractive.

From a base salary and bonus standpoint for 1st year MBA grads, here's where I think people land.

Corporate Finance $95k base + $15-25k bonus = $110-120k
Brand Management $100k base + $30k bonus = $130k
Consulting $100k base + $30-50k bonus = $130-150k
IB/PE $100k base + ??? bonus = $100 - 500k. :)
Disney (General Management) = $70-80k
Google = $120-130k base + ?? bonus


Can't speak for most of those, but I would put the Consulting base more around $115-$120K.
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Re: So you want great work life balance post MBA [#permalink] New post 14 Jul 2011, 15:05
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mbain2012a wrote:

I'm curious about the compensation spread of Corp Finance/Gen Mgmt vs Consulting...I agree that it probably tends to be overstated. I always figured similar post-MBA salaries with Consulting getting much larger bonuses.


Yes, riverripper is definitely correct that the amount that consultants get paid (at least in the first few years) isn't as much as people think although the signing bonuses and potential tuition reimbursements make it pretty attractive.

From a base salary and bonus standpoint for 1st year MBA grads, here's where I think people land.

Corporate Finance $95k base + $15-25k bonus = $110-120k
Brand Management $100k base + $30k bonus = $130k
Consulting $100k base + $30-50k bonus = $130-150k
IB/PE $100k base + ??? bonus = $100 - 500k. :)
Disney (General Management) = $70-80k
Google = $120-130k base + ?? bonus


Can't speak for most of those, but I would put the Consulting base more around $115-$120K.


Haven't posted in a while but knowing people who have gone to and from B-School from Disney, it really depends on what department you work for and on your experience when you entered school. I think Disney (Gen Mgmt) would be more like $80k - $120k (base + bonus).

I know this is also true for the company I work for, and I'd imagine wide salary ranges are fairly consistent for the majority of positions in "industry".

Also, can't agree more with the waxing and waning of work/life balance in corporate! I'm in strategy, and when there're big projects I'm traveling and working 70hrs/week. When there aren't... 45hrs!
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Re: So you want great work life balance post MBA [#permalink] New post 14 Jul 2011, 15:15
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Haven't posted in a while but knowing people who have gone to and from B-School from Disney, it really depends on what department you work for and on your experience when you entered school. I think Disney (Gen Mgmt) would be more like $80k - $120k (base + bonus).

I know this is also true for the company I work for, and I'd imagine wide salary ranges are fairly consistent for the majority of positions in "industry".

Also, can't agree more with the waxing and waning of work/life balance in corporate! I'm in strategy, and when there're big projects I'm traveling and working 70hrs/week. When there aren't... 45hrs!


Thanks for the clarification on Disney. Among my group of friends (most are post MBAs), our impression is that Disney is amazing and we'd love to work for them but because of the value of working in that industry, they tend to pay lower than most companies (also the case with professional sporting teams). For $120k, I'd definitely love to work for Disney! :wink:
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GM offers I know of ranged from about 90K with maybe 5-10k worth of sign on and may a year end maybe not, some are 135/140k salary, small sign on and limited bonus, and some are 115k, 25k to sign and decent promised year end bonus. My 1st year was probably within 10% of what most consultants who aren't returning to a previous employer made. Most corporate jobs I would say fall in the 100-150k all in first year. I got a decent annual raise in the winter, and my next position is on the table and should give a healthy bump and probably triple my bonus potential next year. I wont expect that big of a change every year...but prove yourself in the first year and you might make a big jump.

The progress in a lot of corporate programs I looked at is similar to consulting, a little slower and a little lower early on but still solid. GMs in my company make in the 165-200k range. and bonuses are from 25% with the top guys getting up to100% based on your performance. District managers probably make 200-250 in salary and between stock and cash target is 50-150% of salary. Region VP, probably pull down 650k to a million. Group VP is 2.5-3.5million. Make COO or one of the other top few and make 6-10million. Mind you I work for a midcap, if you are at a fortune 50 company there may be another level or two beyond the 6 million dollar guy.

People do get forced out in all job fields but they aren't as bad as consulting companies which force people out routinely. You can plateau in the corporate world, and hang onto a very comfortable living...in consulting if you aren't moving up you are moving out. There is a reason lots of consultants leave within 3 years and join the corporate world. From discussions with friends, it seems that it is far less stressful than consulting and there is more job security.

One thing to consider, if you are passionate about a function or an industry you may want to join it straight away. There are great exit options for many consultants but you may spend years working on projects in an industry you aren't thrilled with and on projects in functional areas you don't want to be in. I know some people who are looking to leave consulting precisely because of that, they dont like the industry and work they are doing and its all that is going to be on their resumes...do that too long and its where your options will lie.

One key to success in the corporate world post MBA is not just putting in the hours and doing everything asked of you but also appearing that you feel entitled. The vast majority of GMs at my company are mid 50s, the hard chargers who will advance to VP are probably late 30s or early 40s. These guys put 15-25 years in the industry...for most this is the peak of their careers. There are certainly people who if you show any hint of arrogance or that you expect to be treated specially, they will not help you advance at all and many have connections higher up the ladder and some will make it known what they think of you and your attitude. I have heard stories of people who definitely act like they feel they should be the next CEO...while its great to have that self confidence, motivation, and ambition...its another to display that feeling to everyone else.
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Re: So you want great work life balance post MBA [#permalink] New post 14 Jul 2011, 18:09
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Haven't posted in a while but knowing people who have gone to and from B-School from Disney, it really depends on what department you work for and on your experience when you entered school. I think Disney (Gen Mgmt) would be more like $80k - $120k (base + bonus).

I know this is also true for the company I work for, and I'd imagine wide salary ranges are fairly consistent for the majority of positions in "industry".

Also, can't agree more with the waxing and waning of work/life balance in corporate! I'm in strategy, and when there're big projects I'm traveling and working 70hrs/week. When there aren't... 45hrs!


Thanks for the clarification on Disney. Among my group of friends (most are post MBAs), our impression is that Disney is amazing and we'd love to work for them but because of the value of working in that industry, they tend to pay lower than most companies (also the case with professional sporting teams). For $120k, I'd definitely love to work for Disney! :wink:


I should caveat that $120k is really at the high end. You'd have to have prior experience in entertainment and would have to get on the right team (like corporate strategy). I imagine parks & resorts or consumer products pay less.

The people I knew on their corp strat team worked pretty crazy hours compared to their sales and marketing teams. So a tradeoff there.
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Re: So you want great work life balance post MBA [#permalink] New post 14 Jul 2011, 19:05
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Re: So you want great work life balance post MBA [#permalink] New post 16 Jul 2011, 07:19
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Very nice article. I posted it to my blog http://izvos.com/after-mba-worklife-balance/.

Actually, i did not consider this factor till now and really started thinking about it. And how your life changes after of years of such work?

Speaking about those IB 100+ hours week guys, how are they?


Izvos -

On your blog you are not giving credit to the original writer of this post (Riverripper). This is plagiarism, and I’m sure that the original poster doesn’t appreciate it. This makes me wonder if any of your articles are legitimately yours.

Riverripper has written many helpful posts for future MBAs. Please give credit when credit is due.

Thank you.


I added back link. Sorry for that



Perhaps an administrator can restrict his/her ability to post links until the blatant plagiarism issue is resolved.
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Re: So you want great work life balance post MBA [#permalink] New post 16 Jul 2011, 08:12
He can copy and paste in his blog and we have no control. Even if you ban someone for stealing material they can still see the site, so that wont even help. You just have to hope people do the right thing and have integrity.
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Re: So you want great work life balance post MBA [#permalink] New post 16 Jul 2011, 08:53
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He can copy and paste in his blog and we have no control. Even if you ban someone for stealing material they can still see the site, so that wont even help. You just have to hope people do the right thing and have integrity.


Yeah, I took a look at his blog and his posts are pulled verbatim from other reputable MBA and GMAT websites with no link back of reference. It leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. I'd actually like to ban him. He can do whatever he wants but I'd rather him not keep promoting his site here on GMATClub.
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I guess we are giving too much of attention to Izvos.. lets get back to the main topic!
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Re: So you want great work life balance post MBA [#permalink] New post 20 Jul 2011, 16:08
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So I see this a lot on all the discussion of future career goals and discussions about why people want to do what the want to do.

Work Life Balance: seems like a lot of folks who decide they don't want to be consultants or bankers site this as one of the major factors in that decision. People who don't seem all that passionate about GM, marketing, corporate finance, etc...decide they will go for one of these careers because they will have a better life. I was one of those people who thought that it would be better, and it very well could be for some people. However, based on discussions with friends and my personal experience it may be better but it is certainly not good.

First of all, don't begin to believe you will work 40 hours a week and/or wont have to travel. A lot of companies give the bait and switch, you might get there will be some travel but less than 20% of the time or yes there is some long hours when important projects are due.

Personally I have traveled more than 50% of the time, this is definitely not as much as the 75-90% that my friends consulting are doing. It sucks sometimes to work 70-80 hours a week but then again I talk with friends in banking who work 100+ a week and get a weekend once every 3 or 4 months. When I look objectively at my hours and travel it has been an amazing opportunity; I fly on the company jet more often than not and have been working as the right hand guy for one of the top guys at my company. That's exactly why most people go to get an MBA, we want to be the guy/gal on a first name basis with the CEO, COO, CFO and all the VPs. Sure if you are at a $50 billion a year company that may not happen but those people will be appraised of your contributions much more so than anyone else at your level. They may not be able to pick you out of a crowd but the certainly know how you are performing. If you are at a $2-10 billion company it is a very real possibility that you will interact with and be known personally by all/most of those people.


So how much do you realistically work in an average week? Or if it makes more sense, what is typical of the "busier" periods and the "less-busy" periods for you, and what's the proportion between the two?
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This is a lack week for me so probably 45-50 hrs...Busy week probably 70-75. This year I am probably averaging 65 hrs or so. I could easily work less if I wasn't taking on as many good projects as i can get on. But you need to realize you are scrutinized much more when you first start in a post MBA program, so it really is in your best interest to make a strong first impression.
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Izvos, could you please give credit and direct people to this site.

Besides women, there are also plenty of men who decide that the extra hours and stress aren't worth it in the end. It is probably true for many women who have kids and other commitments, then again taking 3/4 months off wont kill a career and plenty of women return to work that quickly after having kids. If/When my wife and I have kids, we will end up with a nanny since my wife working and paying a nanny makes far more sense than my wife quitting. This is a decision plenty of women who are successful will make.

Don't be scared of the hours, there are plenty of jobs that wont demand more than 50-60 hours and lots of those will pay plenty. That may sound like alot of hours for people who work 40-45 now, but if you really are enjoying your work then it is very tolerable. I think my long hours are easier to take than my previous life as an engineer working minimal hours. For one, there is much greater job satisfaction. Most people going to top MBA programs are very motivated and want to succeed and have an impact. Many of my friends who are working long hours, do like it since they feel that their contributions are valued and important to their companies. One ironic things is that my friends who are working the least hours actually aren't very enthusiastic about their jobs. Either they feel they are not getting to show what they can accomplish or that they are already being marginalized.

Some industries also offer much easier hours. I know some friends in oil/gas who work 45 hour weeks, where as I have friends at tech and manufacturing companies who work much more than that. If you are passionate about what you are doing those hours fly by. If easy hours is important definitely look at industry norms.


Why would you have kids if never see them? Kids go to bed at 7 p.m. - working/traveling 60 hours a week, you'll get what - 10 hours a week with your kid. I did it before I decided it's a bunch of crap. Nanny is not just a financial decision, it's a decision that someone else is parenting your kids. The whole concept that you need to log in that amount of hours to be successful or add unique value is ridiculous. From my limited experience people find their way to leadership in different ways and for different reasons, and general advice is just dust in your eyes.
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Corporate Finance $95k base + $15-25k bonus = $110-120k
Brand Management $100k base + $30k bonus = $130k
Consulting $100k base + $30-50k bonus = $130-150k
IB/PE $100k base + ??? bonus = $100 - 500k. :)
Disney (General Management) = $70-80k
Google = $120-130k base + ?? bonus

here's what I find much more interesting:

http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/mariann ... s_1209.pdf

I recommend you read in full.

For those lazy, here's the crib sheet:

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Re: So you want great work life balance post MBA [#permalink] New post 26 Jul 2011, 14:41
Nice info Rhyme! From eyeballing it, it looks like those that stay in consulting don't typically stay in consulting (which is expected) - the earnings plateau doesn't seem consistent with making partner at the 6+ year range.
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Re: So you want great work life balance post MBA [#permalink] New post 10 Sep 2011, 02:44
hello all, great thread and good info out here. currently I am writing my "why mba?" essay and desperately need some advice. I have pharmaceutical manufacturing firm work experience and long term goal is to open a health supplement firm. Post MBA I want to work in Business Development. I am confused whether to mention post MBA goal to join a pharma firm or to join strategic consultancy for a few years?

jobs post mba in pharma firm range from 5-10% of most top US B schools. and consultancy post mba jobs are easily over 20% for these B schools. I talked to some of my friends in consultancy and they mentioned that consultancy gives much broader exposure. what I think will be useful for me is experience in business/strategy development (specifically to get experience in developing business in new demographic areas and new domains of business, such as from youth health to old age health etc.). but which company to go for immediately post mba?
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