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I am getting E as an answer if x is -ve.
If x is -ve, we get

0 < -5x < 5

Dividing both sides by -5, we flip both the sides and we land up on

0 > x > -1
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-1 < x < 0.

Is that the correct method to solve this problem? Please explain.
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VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:
puneetj wrote:
Got to the correct answer but took too much time...E


If you get messed up in mods, such a question can be done in under a minute by trying out some values. Now, I am no fan of plugging in numbers, especially not in DS questions, but such questions are perfect for plugging in if you are not comfortable with algebra. Why? Because they have asked for the range of x. If there is even one value in the given range that doesn't satisfy the inequality, it is not the answer and if there is even one value outside the given range that does satisfy the inequality, it is not the answer.

0<|x|-4x<5 = ?

A. x<0
B. 0<x<1
C. -3/5<x<1
D. -3/5<x<0
E. -1<x<0

Say, consider option A. If x = -1, |x|-4x = 5 which doesn't satisfy the inequality so A is out.
If x = 1/2, |x|-4x is negative so B and C are out.
If x = -4/5, |x|-4x = 4 so D is out and E is the answer.



I believe the choice of -4/5 to execlude D is wrong -4/5 is not in the range of -3/5<x<0 ????? accordingly i think both D and E could solve as the right range in my opinion is -5/3 < x < 0??? am i right or wrong plz advise!
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VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:
puneetj wrote:
Got to the correct answer but took too much time...E


If you get messed up in mods, such a question can be done in under a minute by trying out some values. Now, I am no fan of plugging in numbers, especially not in DS questions, but such questions are perfect for plugging in if you are not comfortable with algebra. Why? Because they have asked for the range of x. If there is even one value in the given range that doesn't satisfy the inequality, it is not the answer and if there is even one value outside the given range that does satisfy the inequality, it is not the answer.

0<|x|-4x<5 = ?

A. x<0
B. 0<x<1
C. -3/5<x<1
D. -3/5<x<0
E. -1<x<0

Say, consider option A. If x = -1, |x|-4x = 5 which doesn't satisfy the inequality so A is out.
If x = 1/2, |x|-4x is negative so B and C are out.
If x = -4/5, |x|-4x = 4 so D is out and E is the answer.



I believe the choice of -4/5 to execlude D is wrong -4/5 is not in the range of -3/5<x<0 ????? accordingly i think both D and E could solve as the right range in my opinion is -5/3 < x < 0??? am i right or wrong plz advise!


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"and if there is even one value outside the given range that does satisfy the inequality, it is not the answer."
given above.

-4/5 is a value which satisfies 0 < |x|-4x < 5 since |-4/5|-4(-4/5) = 4.
Since -4/5 does not lie in the range -3/5<x<0 so (D) cannot be the answer. The correct range needs to cover all possible values of x.
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Solve for x: 0<|x|-4x<5 = ?

A. x<0
B. 0<x<1
C. -3/5<x<1
D. -3/5<x<0
E. -1<x<0

There are two options here - plugging in values given to us in the answer choices or simplifying the inequality.

0<|x|-4x<5

x>0: 0<x-4x<5 0<-3x<5 0<x<-5/3 -5/3<x<0 INVALID as x does not fall within the range of x>0
OR
x<0: 0<(-x)-4x<5 0<-5x<5 0<x<-1 -1<x<0 VALID as x falls within the range of x<0

There is only one valid solution: -1<x<0.
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Re: Solve for x: 0<|x|-4x<5 = ? [#permalink]
Would be happy to hear some comments on whether this approach is correct

|x|-4x>0

So we have two cases

If x>0 then x-4x>0
-3x>0
x<0, this contradicts and hence is not a valid solution

If x<0 then -5x>0
x<0, this solution is valid

So we get that -1<x<0 replacing in the original inequality

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Would be happy to hear some comments on whether this approach is correct

|x|-4x>0

So we have two cases

If x>0 then x-4x>0
-3x>0
x<0, this contradicts and hence is not a valid solution

If x<0 then -5x>0
x<0, this solution is valid

So we get that -1<x<0 replacing in the original inequality

E


Knowing only x < 0, how do you choose between (A), (D) and (E)?
You need to consider |x| - 4x < 5 too
When x < 0, -x -4x < 5
-5x < 5
x > -1
That's how you get -1 < x < 0

Or work on the whole inequality in one go
0 < |x| - 4x < 5
When x < 0,
0< -x - 4x < 5
0 < -5x < 5
0 < -x < 1
0 > x > -1

which is the same as -1 < x < 0
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Re: Solve for x: 0<|x|-4x<5 = ? [#permalink]
Hey,
So I had a doubt. For the equaltiy: 0<|x|-4x<5 if I try and solve it algebraically, i first take x<0
In that case won't this equality be: 0<-x-4(-x)<5. I can't just substitute mod x with -x and leave the other x be can I? Please help!
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So I had a doubt. For the equaltiy: 0<|x|-4x<5 if I try and solve it algebraically, i first take x<0
In that case won't this equality be: 0<-x-4(-x)<5. I can't just substitute mod x with -x and leave the other x be can I? Please help!
Thanks!


Say you have an inequality: 4x < 5
and you know that x must be negative. How will you solve the inequality?
Will you say that the inequality becomes -4x < 5? No. You are given that 4x < 5. Without changing the inequality, you can write this as x < 5/4.
x needs to be negative. All negative values will be less than 5/4.

Why do you substitute -x in place of |x|? You cannot solve an equation/inequality with |x| in it. You need to remove the absolute value sign.

You know that |x| = x if x is positive and |x| = -x if x is negative.

Since you know that x is negative, you can write -x in place of |x| without changing the inequality.
If you change the simple x to -x in the inequality, the inequality changes.

Check out this post for a more detailed explanation: https://www.gmatclub.com/forum/veritas-prep-resource-links-no-longer-available-399979.html#/2014/06 ... -the-gmat/
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Forget conventional ways of solving math questions. In PS, IVY approach is the easiest and quickest way to find the answer.


Solve for x: 0<|x|-4x<5 = ?

A. x<0
B. 0<x<1
C. -3/5<x<1
D. -3/5<x<0
E. -1<x<0


For x>=0 :
0<x-4x<5 ---> 0<-3x<5 ---> -5/3 < x < 0. It doesn't fit to the condition x>=0.

For x<0
0<-x-4x<5 ---> 0<-5x<5 ---> -1 < x < 0.
So the answer is E.
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Re: Solve for x: 0<|x|-4x<5 = ? [#permalink]
Hi there..

i am still a bit confused.. in this question..
i Agree that we have two ways to consider the value of x.

when x>0 the equation becomes: 0<-3x<5 and finally making it to 0>x>-5/3
as x has to be greater than zero. this does not qualify.

when x<0

0<|x|-4x<5.. will become 0<x+4x<5 (as if x is negative but it is in MOD and also -4(-x) will become 4x)
I am a bit confused on this can some one please help me with this.

TIA..
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Hi there..

i am still a bit confused.. in this question..
i Agree that we have two ways to consider the value of x.

when x>0 the equation becomes: 0<-3x<5 and finally making it to 0>x>-5/3
as x has to be greater than zero. this does not qualify.

when x<0

0<|x|-4x<5.. will become 0<x+4x<5 (as if x is negative but it is in MOD and also -4(-x) will become 4x)
I am a bit confused on this can some one please help me with this.

TIA..



How do you figure this: "0<|x|-4x<5.. will become 0<x+4x<5"?

If x is negative, |x| = -x by definition.

So you get 0 < -x - 4x < 5

You cannot change the sign of -4x. You only substitute |x| by -x.

From this step, I guess you do not fully understand the absolute value definition. You should check out this post:
https://www.gmatclub.com/forum/veritas-prep-resource-links-no-longer-available-399979.html#/2014/06 ... -the-gmat/
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