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Some more advice please [#permalink] New post 18 Jan 2011, 18:20
I wanted to ask if the community of gmat club could offer some prep advice for my time frame of 2month and half. I bought the MGMAT books back in Nov 2010 and between work and life it has taken me a lot longer to get through the books. I am schedule to take the take in the first week of april. At the current rate I am going through the books at I won't be able to cover everything by that time. So I figure I could focus my test prep to certain areas that would give me a fighting chance for my goal of 600-650. Please someone offer some serious advice that would be helpful. Thank you.
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Re: Some more advice please [#permalink] New post 18 Jan 2011, 20:29
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Re: Some more advice please [#permalink] New post 19 Jan 2011, 11:05
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It is a tough strategy esp since you did not indicate which area is the weakest (probably that's why you have no replies) but if that's what your option is, would suggest you focus on the MGMAT Number Properties and MGMAT Word Translations.

What are your raw scores so far? Do you need to put more focus into quant or verbal?
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Re: Some more advice please [#permalink] New post 19 Jan 2011, 11:24
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It is a tough strategy esp since you did not indicate which area is the weakest (probably that's why you have no replies) but if that's what your option is, would suggest you focus on the MGMAT Number Properties and MGMAT Word Translations.

What are your raw scores so far? Do you need to put more focus into quant or verbal?


BB, Yeah your probably right. Since I am more worried about the math and I feel that is what I should focus on the most, however I am open to advice on how to fit enough verbal practice in also. To answer your question I have not taking any practice test yet because I feared the results, that is why I had decide to study through the MGMAT books. I thought I could get through all 8 books when I bought them in Nov and once I got through them I was going to start taking practice test. Than I thought WOW!! time is really moving and if I am going to get within my range goal I need to revamp my strategy. I need to make the 600-650 range first try because it is bad enough I am just making the 3 round deadlines for MSc Finance programs for the fall 2011. Do you really think focusing on the two books you listed above will be good? I mean the GMAT covers a lot of stuff and I was looking through the OG review 12 and most of the one I seen were pretty brutal in my eyes.
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Re: Some more advice please [#permalink] New post 19 Jan 2011, 14:27
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This is somewhat tricky, as we don't have many options here. But many people have faced this challenge before. It's not so much as having time, but making time. Completing the OG, GMATPrep Cat's, and guidebooks is a necessity for a good performance. Nobody's study plan is perfect, but we should be able to identify a few solutions.

For starters, I would suggest that you skip the end-of-chapter questions in the MGMAT math guides and focus on the recommended OG problems instead. And reading while using the bathroom is quite productive (in the long term).
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Re: Some more advice please [#permalink] New post 19 Jan 2011, 14:46
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This is somewhat tricky, as we don't have many options here. But many people have faced this challenge before. It's not so much as having time, but making time. Completing the OG, GMATPrep Cat's, and guidebooks is a necessity for a good performance. Nobody's study plan is perfect, but we should be able to identify a few solutions.

For starters, I would suggest that you skip the end-of-chapter questions in the MGMAT math guides and focus on the recommended OG problems instead. And reading while using the bathroom is quite productive (in the long term).



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Thanks for the reply. I wanted to ask why do you think skipping those end of the section question is a good ideal? Once I have read up on a concept should I just try and go look for practice problems in the OG 12 and OG quant review? I kick myself for putting myself in this situation, I mean last round of app deadline is in april. So my back is against the wall. I believe just by having that mindset is a dangers to my score. That is why I came here to try and save my sanity as well as my score. I am not asking for a complete study plan, but more on the lines of an outline study plan. BB mention the 'NP' and 'WP' book.
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Re: Some more advice please [#permalink] New post 19 Jan 2011, 15:35
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While you're not in an ideal setting, it's not a death sentence either. You still have time to properly prepare. Just remain calm and stay focused on your goals. You can do it.

Yes, skip those MGMAT math questions and go straight to the OG problems that they recommend for each section (you'll find the suggested problems in a specific section). I personally didn't find the end-of-chapter questions very helpful. And I agree that one should aggressively reinforce concepts covered in the guidebooks. Simply waiting until you finish all the books is too passive and you can easily forget some things from book one (Number Properties) by the time you finish book 5 (Geometry). I myself made this error and it took a great deal of time and effort to correct it.
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Re: Some more advice please [#permalink] New post 19 Jan 2011, 18:56
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While you're not in an ideal setting, it's not a death sentence either. You still have time to properly prepare. Just remain calm and stay focused on your goals. You can do it.

Yes, skip those MGMAT math questions and go straight to the OG problems that they recommend for each section (you'll find the suggested problems in a specific section). I personally didn't find the end-of-chapter questions very helpful. And I agree that one should aggressively reinforce concepts covered in the guidebooks. Simply waiting until you finish all the books is too passive and you can easily forget some things from book one (Number Properties) by the time you finish book 5 (Geometry). I myself made this error and it took a great deal of time and effort to correct it.


Ok, However do you think it would be possible do a chapter and go find problems in the OG review books? Cause the "NP" book doesn't refer you to the OG books for quite sometime. I would like to learn a concept and afterwards apply it to real GMAT problem.
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Re: Some more advice please [#permalink] New post 20 Jan 2011, 00:27
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Let's take the Number Properties guide as our example. Chapter nine contains a list of OG problems that correspond to the topics covered in the previous chapters. You can either (1) finish these eight chapters first, or (2) finish each chapter and find that section in chapter nine. It should be pretty organized and the questions, from what I remember, are already categorized in terms of topic and listed in order of difficulty.

Whatever you choose, pick the option that feels right to you.
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Re: Some more advice please [#permalink] New post 20 Jan 2011, 09:41
bmillan01 wrote:
This is somewhat tricky, as we don't have many options here. But many people have faced this challenge before. It's not so much as having time, but making time. Completing the OG, GMATPrep Cat's, and guidebooks is a necessity for a good performance. Nobody's study plan is perfect, but we should be able to identify a few solutions.

For starters, I would suggest that you skip the end-of-chapter questions in the MGMAT math guides and focus on the recommended OG problems instead. And reading while using the bathroom is quite productive (in the long term).



HAHAHAAH, reading while in the bathroom! As funny as it sounds, it is indeed priceless advice!
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Re: Some more advice please [#permalink] New post 03 Feb 2011, 13:00
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Let's take the Number Properties guide as our example. Chapter nine contains a list of OG problems that correspond to the topics covered in the previous chapters. You can either (1) finish these eight chapters first, or (2) finish each chapter and find that section in chapter nine. It should be pretty organized and the questions, from what I remember, are already categorized in terms of topic and listed in order of difficulty.

Whatever you choose, pick the option that feels right to you.



Bmillan01,

I've been taking you advice but I am still struggling. I've been doing the problems out of the number properties guide for the OG Review 12 and the QR review 2nd edt. However I am getting hammered by the questions, it not that I don't understand the concepts because when I get stuck on a problem and finally decided to give in a look at the answer I get a "oh yeah that makes sense" moment, I come to realized that my main problem is not being able to understand what the questions is asking. These questions are worded in some of the most confusing ways, I mean when I look at the way they've got some of answers I can't help but ask "How the hell was I suppose to get that" I am keeping an error log but in my log I either did not answer the questions or I got them wrong(plain and simple). I'm asking myself "am I this bad come the hell on". How do I improve being able to understand the over-all question because not being able to understand the question so I can apply a concept will not do me any good, even if I do know the concept.
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Re: Some more advice please [#permalink] New post 03 Feb 2011, 15:26
Some GMAT questions have tricky wording. Somethings that help me include:

(1) Writing down all the given information. Just looking at a problem and rereading it 3+ times will waste time. Start getting your pen moving and as you actually write down the numbers you may find certain relationships within the numbers that will help you arrive at the final answer.

(2) The MGMAT Quant Guides have a lot of formulas/techniques per chapter. For example, in Word Translation, they give a simple formula for average. If you see a problem asking for average, immediately write down the formula and try to fill in as much of the information you can. Writing down the formula will help things click much faster.

(3) A lot of the OG problems follow a certain pattern and test certain concepts over and over again, only after doing a lot of practice will you grasp these patterns.

(4) As you said, some of the explanations will show you a different way to attack the problem then how you did. I would put a lot of time learning the different ways to attack a single problem. Having multiple techniques on hand will help you grasp and start more problems quickly.
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Re: Some more advice please [#permalink] New post 03 Feb 2011, 15:30
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(5) When you read the explanation for an answer, don't just stop there. Do the problem over again. Reading explanations without actually implementing/incorporating them is pointless.
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Re: Some more advice please [#permalink] New post 04 Feb 2011, 04:35
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Some GMAT questions have tricky wording. Somethings that help me include:

(1) Writing down all the given information. Just looking at a problem and rereading it 3+ times will waste time. Start getting your pen moving and as you actually write down the numbers you may find certain relationships within the numbers that will help you arrive at the final answer.

(2) The MGMAT Quant Guides have a lot of formulas/techniques per chapter. For example, in Word Translation, they give a simple formula for average. If you see a problem asking for average, immediately write down the formula and try to fill in as much of the information you can. Writing down the formula will help things click much faster.

(3) A lot of the OG problems follow a certain pattern and test certain concepts over and over again, only after doing a lot of practice will you grasp these patterns.

(4) As you said, some of the explanations will show you a different way to attack the problem then how you did. I would put a lot of time learning the different ways to attack a single problem. Having multiple techniques on hand will help you grasp and start more problems quickly.


Honestly, Like you mention it's going to come down to doing a lot of problems an getting familiar with what these problems have in common and are asking. I have to be "real" with myself and the gmat community because I am not doing nearly enough problems in a day as I should be. Its just that after answering like 15 or so problems and only getting like 4 or 5 right I get upset with myself.
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Re: Some more advice please [#permalink] New post 04 Feb 2011, 09:20
Are you working through the OG12 or the OG Quant Supplement?

If you have enough time, I would start with the supplement first. The difficulty of the questions is easier than that in the OG12. It will help you pick up pace and the OG12 will be less daunting after.
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Re: Some more advice please [#permalink] New post 04 Feb 2011, 11:38
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Are you working through the OG12 or the OG Quant Supplement?

If you have enough time, I would start with the supplement first. The difficulty of the questions is easier than that in the OG12. It will help you pick up pace and the OG12 will be less daunting after.




I started with the math foundation book and worked through all the chapters. I felt go going through them how I got to the OG review 12th and QR 2nd edt I felt like I never seen most of the stuff I ran across. I do have all of the MGMAT book, but since I am taking the test the first week of april I don't have time to read through every book. So I used the questions at the end of each gmat book to guide me in the OG review and QR. Right now I am only on the number properties book and working through Problem solving Part I and II. Like I am mention I am keep an error of my questions and making notes on each question on what I got stuck on.
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Re: Some more advice please [#permalink] New post 04 Feb 2011, 18:15
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Are you working through the OG12 or the OG Quant Supplement?

If you have enough time, I would start with the supplement first. The difficulty of the questions is easier than that in the OG12. It will help you pick up pace and the OG12 will be less daunting after.


Is the OG12 "daunting" by any means? Have you tried the GMAT Club Tests? If the OG is daunting then god only knows what the Club Tests are.

Some of the OG questions are tough, but for the most part they are very reasonable. For this reason I would say that everybody should at least pick up a few of the Manhattan GMAT guides, as they are far more difficult.
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