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Some of the tenth-century stave churches of Norway are still [#permalink] New post 04 Oct 2009, 20:25
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Some of the tenth-century stave churches of Norway are still standing, demonstrating that with sound design and maintenance, wooden buildings can last indefinitely.

(A) standing, demonstrating that with sound design and maintenance, wooden buildings can last indefinitely
(B) standing, demonstrating how wooden buildings, when they have sound design and maintenance, can last indefinitely
(C) standing; they demonstrate if a wooden building has sound design and maintenance it can last indefinitely
(D) standing, and they demonstrate wooden buildings can last indefinitely when there is sound design and maintenance
(E) standing, and they demonstrate how a wooden building can last indefinitely when it has sound design and maintenance
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Re: tenth-century stave churches of Norway [#permalink] New post 04 Oct 2009, 20:31
standing, demonstrating that with sound design and maintenance, wooden buildings can last indefinitely

the OA is A
but if we consider A
demonstrating that with sound design and maintenance
is a modifier which is in double commas so it only gives an extra information in other words it can be removed and the rest of the sentence should stand.



Some of the tenth-century stave churches of Norway are still standing[strike], demonstrating that with sound design and maintenance,[/strike] wooden buildings can last indefinitely.

i dont think makes sense.

so if we think its not a an extra info it should have a verb. there is no verb in
demonstrating that with sound design and maintenance

Please Explain Guys :? :?
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Re: tenth-century stave churches of Norway [#permalink] New post 03 Nov 2009, 11:01
I believe you posted this already enth-century-stave-churches-of-norway-84813.html
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Re: tenth-century stave churches of Norway [#permalink] New post 20 Apr 2010, 17:54
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Hey Guys,

I see there was another thread on this, but there are threads on just about everything. It's still worth discussing!

Some of the tenth-century stave churches of Norway are still standing, demonstrating that with sound design and maintenance, wooden buildings can last indefinitely.

(A) standing, demonstrating that with sound design and maintenance, wooden buildings can last indefinitely
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(B) standing, demonstrating how wooden buildings, when they have sound design and maintenance, can last indefinitely
PROBLEM: "how wooden buildings can last" would imply that the fact that the churches are standing actually shows IN WHAT WAY the buildings can last. But it's merely demonstrating the fact THAT the buildings are still standing. It's also very ugly to interrupt the "wooden buildings can last.." phrase with a relative modifier on buildings (though I wouldn't argue it's necessarily wrong).

(C) standing; they demonstrate if a wooden building has sound design and maintenance it can last indefinitely
PROBLEM: You can't "demonstrate if" something. The semicolon is fine.

(D) standing, and they demonstrate wooden buildings can last indefinitely when there is sound design and maintenance
PROBLEM: No need for the comma before "and". You can't "demonstrate [a physical thing]". You need some weird inbetween. Also unclear to say "there is sound design and maintenance". We'd prefer to describe how the buildings have sound design and maintenance.

(E) standing, and they demonstrate how a wooden building can last indefinitely when it has sound design and maintenance
PROBLEM: Comma before "and" again. "How" issue again.

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Re: tenth-century stave churches of Norway [#permalink] New post 21 Apr 2010, 00:37
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Re: tenth-century stave churches of Norway [#permalink] New post 21 Apr 2010, 06:29
Tommy, sorry, but I am not convinced.
But then, I don't have any better option :)
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Re: tenth-century stave churches of Norway [#permalink] New post 21 Apr 2010, 18:42
Hi Tommy, if we remove the portion between commas in (A), the sentence does not make sense. Would you mind commenting on the same.
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Re: tenth-century stave churches of Norway [#permalink] New post 22 Apr 2010, 17:34
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Hey Seekmba,

Aha. Be careful here. Often times when there are two commas in a sentence, it signifies a modifier, in which case the sentence should make sense without it. But that's not what's going on here:

Some of the tenth-century stave churches of Norway are still standing, [demonstrating that with sound design and maintenance, (wooden buildings can last indefinitely).]

[] --> The bracket phrase is a participial phrase modifying the entire preceding clause (it's a result of the fact that the churches are still standing).

() --> This last phrase is just a result of the ordering of the sentence. The prepositional phrase "with sound design and maintenance" is modifying "wooden buildings", and that modifier wants a comma in-between the two.

Someone else said they weren't convinced by this one. Any particular thing that doesn't have you convinced? Is it the explanation of why B is wrong? I promise, it's as I described. "Demonstrate that..." means that whatever comes after the "that" is what you're proving. For example "I demonstrated that the sun was made of fire." On the other hand, "Demonstrate how..." can only explain the exact way in which something happened. For example, "I demonstrated how to make water from ice." B doesn't make sense with "how", because it's not describing a method, only a fact.

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