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Some parents have a very difficult time coming to grips with the fact that their offspring have become adults; consequently, they see their children as they were during their adolescence.

(A) they see their children as they were during
(B) they see their children as they had been during
(C) they see their children as if during
(D) their children appear to them as they did in
(E) their children appear to them as though in

Which is the right option?
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Re: SC [#permalink] New post 11 Mar 2009, 06:51
IMO E
B-wrong past perfect tense
A-wrong referrent(they)
pls edit yr Q

the underlined part is wrongly shown
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Re: SC [#permalink] New post 11 Mar 2009, 15:09
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Some parents have a very difficult time coming to grips with the fact that their offspring have become adults; consequently, they see their children as they were during their adolescence.

A. they see their children as they were during
B. they see their children as they had been during
C. they see their children as if during
D. their children appear to them as they did in
E. their children appear to them as though in

Which is the right option?


I dont know if I am being the oddman out but let me put down my 0.02

To me, appear changes the meaning. See is some thing you can't avoid and it is there.

Appear is some thing that might be there or not but we can be deluded and see it.

Here appear is wrong as the parents see them as they were.

Another imp difference you might note is D & E are also in passive voice. P sees C is active. C appears to P as X is passive

So Down to A,B,C

C tries to use subjective and falls flat

Down to A & B

I just could not justify the usage of past perfect and I chose A.
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Re: SC [#permalink] New post 18 Mar 2009, 04:47
tenaman10 wrote:
IMO- A ..
OA Pls ..


OA is A.

I think I could not analyse underline part of," they see their children as they were during".
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Re: SC [#permalink] New post 08 Mar 2010, 06:05
I juggled between A & B at first...

....went with A based on conciseness
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Re: SC [#permalink] New post 08 Mar 2010, 20:34
(A) they see their children as they were during - they is not referring to the parents(B) they see their children as they had been during -same as above
(C) they see their children as if during - if is an incorrect preposition used
(D) their children appear to them as they did in
(E) their children appear to them as though in

IMO D..
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Re: SC [#permalink] New post 08 Mar 2010, 22:49
its a
as if in c becomes hypothetical
so v need as they were
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Re: SC [#permalink] New post 09 Mar 2010, 17:42
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Some parents have a very difficult time coming to grips with the fact that their offspring have become adults; consequently, they see their children as they were during their adolescence.

(A) they see their children as they were during
(B) they see their children as they had been during
(C) they see their children as if during
(D) their children appear to them as they did in
(E) their children appear to them as though in

[Reveal] Spoiler: OA
A


Which is the right option?


Why wouldn't the pronoun "they" refer to the parents in this context?

B is in present perfect, and implies that there is a past state that could persist into the future, right?
C isn't right, since "as" is used to compare actions or processes and "like" would fit better.
D changes the verb to "appear" which alters the intended context of the sentence.
E is incorrect for the same reasons like D

A is the correct answer, since it is in the simple past and shows that the children were adolescents for a specified period of time.

Help me please with feedback... I'm trying to figure out why A is correct.
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Re: SC [#permalink] New post 10 Mar 2010, 16:38
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Some parents have a very difficult time coming to grips with the fact that their offspring have become adults; consequently, they see their children as they were during their adolescence.

(A) they see their children as they were during
(B) they see their children as they had been during
(C) they see their children as if during
(D) their children appear to them as they did in
(E) their children appear to them as though in

[Reveal] Spoiler: OA
A


Which is the right option?


Why wouldn't the pronoun "they" refer to the parents in this context?

B is in present perfect, and implies that there is a past state that could persist into the future, right?
C isn't right, since "as" is used to compare actions or processes and "like" would fit better.
D changes the verb to "appear" which alters the intended context of the sentence.
E is incorrect for the same reasons like D

A is the correct answer, since it is in the simple past and shows that the children were adolescents for a specified period of time.

Help me please with feedback... I'm trying to figure out why A is correct.



A semicolon can stand in for a conjunction that joins two complete sentences.
When you see a troublesome semicolon in a sentence, try replacing it with a conjunction such as "and" and see if if it makes sense.

Some parents have a very difficult time coming to grips with the fact that their offspring have become adults, and consequently, they see their children as they were during their adolescence.


the second "they" could refer to parents, however it doesn't make sense from the first part of the sentence.

The first part of the sentence establishes:
1. The children of the parents are now adults
2. The parents have a hard time accepting the fact that their children are now adults

Therefore:
The parents still see their adult children as they (offspring) were during their (the offsprings') adolescence.


Try it with the 2nd they referring to the parents:

The parents still see their adult children as the parents themselves were during the parent's own adolescence.

This doesn't make sense.. during your own childhood you wouldn't fret about accepting your future children as adults when you grow old.
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Re: SC [#permalink] New post 01 Apr 2010, 07:37
I did not understand a good reason to choose (A) over (B)

Option A has "they see their children as they were during"

option B has "they see their children as they had been during"

I chose (B) because I thought children were adolescence in the past and hence we need past perfect tense with "had".

I want to know if I need a thought readjustment here?
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Re: SC [#permalink] New post 09 Apr 2010, 00:13
really really confusing. Gotta be from Kaplan :)

I chose D based on the sequence of pronouns and the sound it. Looks like I was wrong, but A still sounds funny.
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Re: SC [#permalink] New post 12 May 2010, 00:29
Hello all,

IMO: E

I wonder why this answer is not E in this trail of answers , .

Can someone explain in real terms of english

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Read this one from OG:

Quasars are so distant that their light has taken billions of years to reach the Earth; consequently, we see them as they were during the formation of the universe.
(A) we see them as they were during
(B) we see them as they had been during
(C) we see them as if during
(D) they appear to us as they did in
(E) they appear to us as though in

OE:
A, the best choice, correctly employs the simple past verb tense to describe a past condition. Choice B inappropriately switches to the past perfect (had been); the past perfect properly describes action that is completed prior to some other event described with the simple past tense. Choice C presents a dangling adverbial modifier, as if during ..., that illogically modifies we see. D ambiguously suggests that the quasars appeared to us in the formation of the universe_ that is, as though we were present to view them then. In E, as though in distorts the meaning to suggest that we see the quasars in a hypothetical situation_ that is, that they may not have been involved in the formation of the universe.

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geez, i couldn't understand what was right and wrong after reading all these forum responses.

Some parents have a very difficult time coming to grips with the fact that their offspring have become adults; consequently, they see their children as they were during their adolescence.

(A) they see their children as they were during
(B) they see their children as they had been during
(C) they see their children as if during
(D) their children appear to them as they did in
(E) their children appear to them as though in


It's A according to framework 9..had to email the Zeke Lee dude myself
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ONce we're in the present verb, your available choices that reference the past are:
1) they see their children as they have been [had been can only be used if the first verb "see" was past tense]
2) they see their children as they were during

Only the second option is shown in the answer choices, which is A.
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The only gripe i have with this question is that the "they" could in theory refer to either the parents or the children.

Although common sense tells you that they should refer to the children, since its hard to imagine about the parent's perception of the children when the parents are themselves children.
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Read this one from OG:

Quasars are so distant that their light has taken billions of years to reach the Earth; consequently, we see them as they were during the formation of the universe.
(A) we see them as they were during
(B) we see them as they had been during
(C) we see them as if during
(D) they appear to us as they did in
(E) they appear to us as though in


While trying to simulate an OG question, the author has overlooked an important point. The subject of the primary clause in the original OG is the third person plural ‘quasars’, while that of the follow-up sentence is the first person plural ‘we’; hence the pronoun ‘they’ can not refer to 'we' by any stretch of logic and as such there exists no pronoun ambiguity.

But in the simulated example,both the subjects of the first sentence as well the follow- up sentence are in third person plural. That is the reason for the ambiguity of the pronoun 'they'. When creating a simulated example, one must carry the essence of the original example without warping.

A certainly lends itself to pronoun error.
B has tense error, you can not use past perfect without an accompanying simple pest. C 'as if during' is incomplete expression. 'As if' clauses have to be expressed with a subject and verb normally
D and E change the intent from somebody seeing something to something appearing; hence are wrong.

What then is the right choice?
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I completey agree with daagh. Some prep company has tried to simulate a question similar to the OG; however, none of the choices sound right to me.
Poorly written question. What is the source of the question?
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Re: SC [#permalink] New post 13 Mar 2011, 20:31
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Some parents have a very difficult time coming to grips with the fact that their offspring have become adults; consequently, they see their children as they were during their adolescence.

A. they see their children as they were during
B. they see their children as they had been during
C. they see their children as if during
D. their children appear to them as they did in
E. their children appear to them as though in

Which is the right option?


I dont know if I am being the oddman out but let me put down my 0.02

To me, appear changes the meaning. See is some thing you can't avoid and it is there.

Appear is some thing that might be there or not but we can be deluded and see it.

Here appear is wrong as the parents see them as they were.

Another imp difference you might note is D & E are also in passive voice. P sees C is active. C appears to P as X is passive

So Down to A,B,C

C tries to use subjective and falls flat

Down to A & B

I just could not justify the usage of past perfect and I chose A.



I agree with your explanation, but how you will justify the use of the pronoun in this question. Please explain. Is this OG problem? If not then I will not bother much about it. Most of the time I have seen that prep comapny try to make SC question similar to OG, but most of the time they end up giving wrong options. We have to select best option out of two wrong option. The best example is question from 1000SC series.
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Re: SC [#permalink] New post 14 Mar 2011, 03:33
asthanap wrote:
Some parents have a very difficult time coming to grips with the fact that their offspring have become adults; consequently, they see their children as they were during their adolescence.

(A) they see their children as they were during
(B) they see their children as they had been during
(C) they see their children as if during
(D) their children appear to them as they did in
(E) their children appear to them as though in

Which is the right option?


I think the answer for the question is A

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Re: SC [#permalink] New post 16 Mar 2011, 00:38
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TimeForFalling wrote:
asthanap wrote:
Some parents have a very difficult time coming to grips with the fact that their offspring have become adults; consequently, they see their children as they were during their adolescence.

(A) they see their children as they were during
(B) they see their children as they had been during
(C) they see their children as if during
(D) their children appear to them as they did in
(E) their children appear to them as though in

[Reveal] Spoiler: OA
A


Which is the right option?


Why wouldn't the pronoun "they" refer to the parents in this context?

B is in present perfect, and implies that there is a past state that could persist into the future, right?
C isn't right, since "as" is used to compare actions or processes and "like" would fit better.
D changes the verb to "appear" which alters the intended context of the sentence.
E is incorrect for the same reasons like D

A is the correct answer, since it is in the simple past and shows that the children were adolescents for a specified period of time.

Help me please with feedback... I'm trying to figure out why A is correct.



A semicolon can stand in for a conjunction that joins two complete sentences.
When you see a troublesome semicolon in a sentence, try replacing it with a conjunction such as "and" and see if if it makes sense.

Some parents have a very difficult time coming to grips with the fact that their offspring have become adults, and consequently, they see their children as they were during their adolescence.


the second "they" could refer to parents, however it doesn't make sense from the first part of the sentence.

The first part of the sentence establishes:
1. The children of the parents are now adults
2. The parents have a hard time accepting the fact that their children are now adults

Therefore:
The parents still see their adult children as they (offspring) were during their (the offsprings') adolescence.


Try it with the 2nd they referring to the parents:

The parents still see their adult children as the parents themselves were during the parent's own adolescence.

This doesn't make sense.. during your own childhood you wouldn't fret about accepting your future children as adults when you grow old.




I dont think we can use pronoun to refer to two different noun in the same sentence .
Some parents have a very difficult time coming to grips with the fact that their (Parent's) offspring have become adults, and consequently, they (Parents) see their(Parent's) children as they(offspring) were during their(offspring's) adolescence.

Above sentence they refers to parents in the first part and offspring in the second which is wrong

Please confirm the source
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