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# Springfield Fire Commissioner: the vast majority of false

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Springfield Fire Commissioner: the vast majority of false [#permalink]  23 Sep 2006, 23:36
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Springfield Fire Commissioner: the vast majority of false fire alarms
are prank calls made anonymously from fire alarm boxes on street
these alarm boxes have outlived their usefulness. Therefore, we
propose to remove the boxes. Removing the boxes will reduce the
number of prank calls without hampering peopleâ€™s ability to report a fire.

Which of the following, if true, most strongly supports the claim that the
proposal, if carried out, will have the announced effect?

A. The fire department traces all alarm calls made from private telephones
and records where they came from.
B. Maintaining the fire alarm boxes costs Springfield approximately
five million dollars annually.
C. A telephone call can provide the fire department with more information
about the nature and size of a fire than can an alarm placed
from an alarm box.
D. Responding to false alarms significantly reduces the fire departmentâ€™s
capacity for responding to fires.
E. On any given day, a significant percentage of the public telephones
in Springfield are out of service.

OA is C. Am not impressed. Am thinking that A answers/supports better than option C, as A negates the Prank calls by tracing back to the person who called, without compromising the ability of the people to report.
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I agree with C, since the statement said that a vast majority were prank calls but not all, since there could be still some correct calls from fire alarm boxes, once boxes are removed, there will be no doubt left. Private phones are still numerous to report fire.

C is a very strong statement, nature and size of fire is very important so it gives the strongest support
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I did not go with C for two reasons.

i) C is not clear on whether it is referring to Private or Public phones.
ii) Also the question is more on how to reduce the prank calls. C gives us no explanation on how prank calls are/will be reduced. Some one in City A can call from a telephone and say that City B building X is on fire.

However if we do consider A as the option

i) It supports that Prank calls can be reduced as we can clearly trace to the person who used the private phone
ii) As almost every one has access to private phone, people can still report the alarms.

What do you think?
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The basic purpose is: Removing the boxes will reduce the
number of prank calls.

So it's A cause the objective is to reduce false calls and A supports that conclusion. Also POE is good: B,C and D support the removal but NOT the reasons of the Fire Commissioner.
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I think this should be A .

A clearly address the assumption that a telephone call is as easily traceable as a fire alarm call and can clearly function as one.

Do you have the OE for this ?
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OK - I wanted to open this up again. Sometime ago this question was disucssed. One source claimed the OA is C with which I agreed. However discussions amidst the august house yielded A as the answer. People did not agree with C.

My reasoning for C is this -

The fact that removing the alarm boxes will eliminate Prank calls has been stated directly in the passage. So, there's no further corroboration required on that front.

C affirms that a Phone call can better describe the size and nature of the fire (thus establishing a direct advantage over a fire alarm call from the sought-to-be-displaced alarm box). Thus C asserts and validates what has been announced in the passage that removing the alarm box will reduce prank calls without hampering people's ability to report fires.

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Re: CR - Commissioner [#permalink]  29 Jul 2007, 08:31
withme wrote:
Springfield Fire Commissioner: the vast majority of false fire alarms
are prank calls made anonymously from fire alarm boxes on street
these alarm boxes have outlived their usefulness. Therefore, we
propose to remove the boxes. Removing the boxes will reduce the
number of prank calls without hampering peopleâ€™s ability to report a fire.

Which of the following, if true, most strongly supports the claim that the
proposal, if carried out, will have the announced effect?

A. The fire department traces all alarm calls made from private telephones
and records where they came from.
B. Maintaining the fire alarm boxes costs Springfield approximately
five million dollars annually.
C. A telephone call can provide the fire department with more information
about the nature and size of a fire than can an alarm placed
from an alarm box.
D. Responding to false alarms significantly reduces the fire departmentâ€™s
capacity for responding to fires.
E. On any given day, a significant percentage of the public telephones
in Springfield are out of service.

OA is C. Am not impressed. Am thinking that A answers/supports better than option C, as A negates the Prank calls by tracing back to the person who called, without compromising the ability of the people to report.

This one is hard - we want to make sure we understand and address the question asked at hand: Which of the following, if true, most strongly supports the claim that the proposal, if carried out, will have the announced effect?

Main conclusion: proposal to remove the fire alarm boxes
Supporting conclusion: removing the boxes will reduce the
number of prank calls without hampering people's ability to report a fire

Based on this information, I feel answer A is the best since being able to trace the calls to the origin would deter and reduce the prank calls and since everyone has access to telephones (as stated in the argument), it would still give everyone access.

Any other thoughts?
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I think A is a better answer.
It is the only answer claiming to solve two issues. Firstly, it reduces the numberr of prank calls while establishing identity of the caller.
Secondly, it ensures that the reporting ability of the public will not be compromised.
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dwivedys wrote:
OK - I wanted to open this up again. Sometime ago this question was disucssed. One source claimed the OA is C with which I agreed. However discussions amidst the august house yielded A as the answer. People did not agree with C.

My reasoning for C is this -

The fact that removing the alarm boxes will eliminate Prank calls has been stated directly in the passage. So, there's no further corroboration required on that front.

C affirms that a Phone call can better describe the size and nature of the fire (thus establishing a direct advantage over a fire alarm call from the sought-to-be-displaced alarm box). Thus C asserts and validates what has been announced in the passage that removing the alarm box will reduce prank calls without hampering people's ability to report fires.

Agree with C. Proposal to remove alarm box is already made. We need to show more reason(s) as to why this is justified. C does it.

"A" requires you make assumptions. Ability to trace back says nothing by itself, unless a clear link is showed as to how it could help
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Re: CR - Commissioner [#permalink]  11 Jan 2009, 09:56
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Re: CR - Commissioner [#permalink]  11 Jan 2009, 13:20
withme wrote:
Springfield Fire Commissioner: the vast majority of false fire alarms are prank calls made anonymously from fire alarm boxes on street corners. Since virtually everyone has access to a private telephone, these alarm boxes have outlived their usefulness. Therefore, we propose to remove the boxes. Removing the boxes will reduce the number of prank calls without hampering peopleâ€™s ability to report a fire.

Which of the following, if true, most strongly supports the claim that the proposal, if carried out, will have the announced effect?

A. The fire department traces all alarm calls made from private telephones and records where they came from.
B. Maintaining the fire alarm boxes costs Springfield approximately five million dollars annually.
C. A telephone call can provide the fire department with more information about the nature and size of a fire than can an alarm placed from an alarm box.
D. Responding to false alarms significantly reduces the fire departmentâ€™s capacity for responding to fires.
E. On any given day, a significant percentage of the public telephones in Springfield are out of service.

OA is C. Am not impressed. Am thinking that A answers/supports better than option C, as A negates the Prank calls by tracing back to the person who called, without compromising the ability of the people to report.

Tough call among a, C and D.

Removing the boxes will reduce the number of prank calls without hampering peopleâ€™s ability to report a fire. and C. A telephone call can provide the fire department with more information about the nature and size of a fire than can an alarm placed from an alarm box.

same. so c is logical.
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Re: CR - Commissioner [#permalink]  11 Jan 2009, 13:49
Whew! Extremely close.

The proposed effect is "Removing the boxes will reduce the number of prank calls without hampering peopleâ€™s ability to report a fire"

C is just throwing out extra info

A is saying that The fire department traces all alarm calls made from private telephones and records where they came from

Stimulus does not state that telephone calls are traceable. We cannot assume that they are traceable. Alarm boxes provide the traceability option because the FD knows the locations. Every home has a phone. If FD cannot trace it, the plan will not have announced effect. So it is needed for the plan to have the announced effect.

A is good.
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Re: CR - Commissioner [#permalink]  25 Jun 2011, 22:26
withme wrote:
Springfield Fire Commissioner: the vast majority of false fire alarms
are prank calls made anonymously from fire alarm boxes on street
these alarm boxes have outlived their usefulness. Therefore, we
propose to remove the boxes. Removing the boxes will reduce the
number of prank calls without hampering peopleâ€™s ability to report a fire.

Which of the following, if true, most strongly supports the claim that the
proposal, if carried out, will have the announced effect?

A. The fire department traces all alarm calls made from private telephones
and records where they came from.
B. Maintaining the fire alarm boxes costs Springfield approximately
five million dollars annually.
C. A telephone call can provide the fire department with more information
about the nature and size of a fire than can an alarm placed
from an alarm box.
D. Responding to false alarms significantly reduces the fire departmentâ€™s
capacity for responding to fires.
E. On any given day, a significant percentage of the public telephones
in Springfield are out of service.

OA is C. Am not impressed. Am thinking that A answers/supports better than option C, as A negates the Prank calls by tracing back to the person who called, without compromising the ability of the people to report.

Brother OA is A only
you must have seend wrong answer
its 109th question in OG12th edition
go back to the book again
although i got it wrong i marked C
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Re: [#permalink]  25 Jun 2011, 22:33
dwivedys wrote:
OK - I wanted to open this up again. Sometime ago this question was disucssed. One source claimed the OA is C with which I agreed. However discussions amidst the august house yielded A as the answer. People did not agree with C.

My reasoning for C is this -

The fact that removing the alarm boxes will eliminate Prank calls has been stated directly in the passage. So, there's no further corroboration required on that front.

C affirms that a Phone call can better describe the size and nature of the fire (thus establishing a direct advantage over a fire alarm call from the sought-to-be-displaced alarm box). Thus C asserts and validates what has been announced in the passage that removing the alarm box will reduce prank calls without hampering people's ability to report fires.

I Agree with your reasoning man
thats why only i chose C as the answer
but unfortunately the OA is A...OG 12th Edition 109th question
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