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New post 03 Aug 2013, 03:42
gmatter0913 wrote:

Need your help in understanding a little more about the usage of "that" here.

You mentioned that
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It modifies legislation, and that's why THAT is wrong.


Does this mean if we use "requiring that", then "requiring" is not modifying "legislation". If so, could you elaborate on this please?


Sure!

I am quoting from bb's post

subject + verb from table below (any tense) + that + subject + verb in simple form

so if the sentence were "legislations require that new citizens have a special permit", than that is necessary because "require" acts as a verb. (matching the structure above)
But in the sentence
Senator Lasker has proposed legislation requiring employers to retain all older workers indefinitely or show just cause for dismissal.
there is not the verb "require", there is "requiring" : a modifier, so you do not have the above mentioned structure (subj+verb+that+...).

Hope I've explained myself well.
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Hello Experts,

That GMAT club grammar book clearly says that "advise" is a command subjunctive verb and should be followed by THAT + subject+ Verb in bare form (many other grammar websites have voted the same)

Eg: Everyone is advised that they be here on time.

But the Manhattan SC Guide clearly says that Advised is followed by an infinitive.

Can you please clear this doubt of mine and tell me the exact construction to be used for "Advise"
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Secondly why does the GMAT club grammar book says that "declared" is always followed by a that; rather it marks it to be obligatory to have a that after declared.

The standard idioms differ with this .

Can you please confirm to me.
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Hi all,

I'm trying to improve my GMAT verbal score so I started studying various materials such as Manhattan verbal book and various topics in this great forum. Of course I'm missing a lot of basic grammar rules that I try to figure out. One of which is:


Subjunctive!

One of the sites has a fill-the-blanks quiz here:
http://www.englishpage.com/minitutorial ... ercise.htm

Some examples:

1- I suggest that Frank read the directions carefully before assembling the bicycle. He doesn't want the wheels to fall off while he is riding down a hill

2- She told me that the government regulates the airline industry. I don't know if that is true.

3- I think it's an interesting fact that she comes from Estonia.


My question is: When do you use/add the "s" to the verb? I cant make sense of it.

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Use the simple verb form whenever there is a request/suggestion/command.
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bb wrote:
Subjunctive Rules and List of Verbs

The subjunctive in English is the simple form of the verb when used after certain verbs indicating that one person wants another person to do something. The word that must always appear in subjunctive sentences. If it is omitted, most of the verbs are followed by the infinitive.

Example:
We urge that you leave now.
We urge you to leave now.


Structure:
subject + verb from table below (any tense) + that + subject + verb in simple form


Use that after these verbs in subjunctive mood:
Code:
advise        decree        move        prefer           request         suggest
ask            demand       order        propose        require          urge
command       insist                   recommend       stipulate

Examples:
The judge insisted that the jury return a verdict immediately.
The university requires that all its students take this course.
The doctor suggested that his patient stop smoking.
Congress has decreed that the gasoline tax be abolished.
We proposed that he take a vacation.
I move that we adjourn until this afternoon.

There is also a list of adjectives after which you should use that and follow them by a simple verb form:

Code:
advised       necessary   recommended   urgent
important    obligatory   required           imperative
mandatory   proposed    suggested


it + be (any tense) + adjective + that + subject + verb in simple tense


Examples:
It is necessary that he find the books.
It was urgent that she leave at once.
It has been proposed that we change the topic.
It is important that you remember this question.
It has been suggested that he forget the election.
It was recommended that we wait for the authorities.


Thank you ,The most succinct Subjunctive post ever.
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