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Terry: Some actions considered to be bad by our society have [#permalink]
 30 Jul 2007, 10:06
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Terry: Some actions considered to be bad by our society have favorable consequences. But an action is good only if it has favorable consequences. So, some actions considered to be bad by our society are actually good.
Pat: I agree with your conclusion, but not with the reasons you give for it. Some good actions actually do not have favorable consequences. But no actions considered to be bad by our society have favorable consequences, so your conclusion, that some actions our society considers bad are actually good, still holds.
Which one of the following correctly describes both an error in Terry’s reasoning and an error in Pat’s reasoning?
(A) presupposing that if a certain property distinguishes one type of action from another type of action, then that property is one of many properties distinguishing the two types of action
(B) presupposing that if most actions of a certain type share a certain property, then all actions of that type share that property
(C) presupposing that if a certain property is shared by actions of a certain type in a given society, then that property is shared by actions of that type in every society
(D) presupposing that if an action’s having a certain property is necessary for its being a certain type of action, then having that property is sufficient for being that type of action
(E) presupposing that if a certain property is shared by two types of action, then that property is the only property distinguishing the two types of action from actions of other types
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truly confusing. Is it B ?
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I too thought the answer is B. Is it correct?
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I have no clue at all !! 
This is just about the toughest CR I have ever encountered. If I encounter this problem in the actual test, I guess, I'll just make a random guess and move on.
But can we really expect such questions in the test ??
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IMO D......
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Re: Tough CR Question [#permalink]
30 Jul 2007, 20:14
ajay_gmat wrote: Terry: Some actions considered to be bad by our society have favorable consequences. But an action is good only if it has favorable consequences. So, some actions considered to be bad by our society are actually good.
Pat: I agree with your conclusion, but not with the reasons you give for it. Some good actions actually do not have favorable consequences. But no actions considered to be bad by our society have favorable consequences, so your conclusion, that some actions our society considers bad are actually good, still holds.
Which one of the following correctly describes both an error in Terry’s reasoning and an error in Pat’s reasoning?
(A) presupposing that if a certain property distinguishes one type of action from another type of action, then that property is one of many properties distinguishing the two types of action
(B) presupposing that if most actions of a certain type share a certain property, then all actions of that type share that property
(C) presupposing that if a certain property is shared by actions of a certain type in a given society, then that property is shared by actions of that type in every society
(D) presupposing that if an action’s having a certain property is necessary for its being a certain type of action, then having that property is sufficient for being that type of action
(E) presupposing that if a certain property is shared by two types of action, then that property is the only property distinguishing the two types of action from actions of other types
D is my answer... this is a bit confusing PLEASE POST OA! 
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D by POE, others seem irrelevant. Nice one. I wish I had such CR passage on my exam 
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Wow, you werent kidding when you said it was tough ... I couldnt figure it out !
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I too really found this CR Tough. The IMO is D. Please explain your answers 
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Re: Tough CR Question [#permalink]
31 Jul 2007, 07:47
Here it goes..
Premise 1: Actions ( Some/Bad/Society ) ----> A(FC)
Implication of Premise 1 ----> Actions ( Some/Bad/Society ) --->Not A(FC)
Premise 2: A(FC) ----> A (Good)
Concl: Actions ( Some/Bad/Society ) --->A(Good)
Author is jumping the gun in reaching the Concl..bcoz ...read Implication above
Pat:
Actions (Some/Good)----->NFC
Similar Implication can be.....
Premise 2: Actions ( Bad/Society )---> NFC
Concl:( Some/Bad/Society ) --->A(Good)
Both cases
presupposing that if an action’s having a certain property is necessary for its being a certain type of action, then having that property is sufficient for being that type of action----In real time these elements made sense ..So I choose D...[/color]
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im with D, this can't be a GMAT question........ "considered to be" unidiomatic !! this definitely took a good 8 minutes or so. ha
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Re: Tough CR Question [#permalink]
31 Jul 2007, 11:39
ajay_gmat wrote: Terry: Some actions considered to be bad by our society have favorable consequences. But an action is good only if it has favorable consequences. So, some actions considered to be bad by our society are actually good.
Pat: I agree with your conclusion, but not with the reasons you give for it. Some good actions actually do not have favorable consequences. But no actions considered to be bad by our society have favorable consequences, so your conclusion, that some actions our society considers bad are actually good, still holds.
Which one of the following correctly describes both an error in Terry’s reasoning and an error in Pat’s reasoning?
(A) presupposing that if a certain property distinguishes one type of action from another type of action, then that property is one of many properties distinguishing the two types of action
(B) presupposing that if most actions of a certain type share a certain property, then all actions of that type share that property
(C) presupposing that if a certain property is shared by actions of a certain type in a given society, then that property is shared by actions of that type in every society
(D) presupposing that if an action’s having a certain property is necessary for its being a certain type of action, then having that property is sufficient for being that type of action
(E) presupposing that if a certain property is shared by two types of action, then that property is the only property distinguishing the two types of action from actions of other types
It's a true nightmare of a question. But if you read the choices in an un-stressed manner without worrying about the ticking clock - you'll see that with the exception of D all other choices are actually non-sense.
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terp26 wrote: im with D, this can't be a GMAT question........ "considered to be" unidiomatic !! this definitely took a good 8 minutes or so. ha
Couldn't agree more except that GMAT test makers can try every trick under the sun to mislead the test taker....
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SO what is the OA? I'm dying to know!
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D is the answer.
If D is true then the conclusion makes sense in both cases.Else there is a flaw in the reasoning.
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OA is D
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