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Terry: Some actions considered to be bad by our society have [#permalink] New post 30 Jul 2007, 09:06
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Terry: Some actions considered to be bad by our society have favorable consequences. But an action is good only if it has favorable consequences. So, some actions considered to be bad by our society are actually good.
Pat: I agree with your conclusion, but not with the reasons you give for it. Some good actions actually do not have favorable consequences. But no actions considered to be bad by our society have favorable consequences, so your conclusion, that some actions our society considers bad are actually good, still holds.

Which one of the following correctly describes both an error in Terry’s reasoning and an error in Pat’s reasoning?

(A) presupposing that if a certain property distinguishes one type of action from another type of action, then that property is one of many properties distinguishing the two types of action

(B) presupposing that if most actions of a certain type share a certain property, then all actions of that type share that property

(C) presupposing that if a certain property is shared by actions of a certain type in a given society, then that property is shared by actions of that type in every society

(D) presupposing that if an action’s having a certain property is necessary for its being a certain type of action, then having that property is sufficient for being that type of action

(E) presupposing that if a certain property is shared by two types of action, then that property is the only property distinguishing the two types of action from actions of other types
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 [#permalink] New post 30 Jul 2007, 09:39
truly confusing. Is it B ?
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 [#permalink] New post 30 Jul 2007, 09:49
I too thought the answer is B. Is it correct?
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 [#permalink] New post 30 Jul 2007, 09:50
I have no clue at all !! :shock:

This is just about the toughest CR I have ever encountered. If I encounter this problem in the actual test, I guess, I'll just make a random guess and move on.

But can we really expect such questions in the test ??
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 [#permalink] New post 30 Jul 2007, 18:06
IMO D......
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Re: Tough CR Question [#permalink] New post 30 Jul 2007, 19:14
ajay_gmat wrote:
Terry: Some actions considered to be bad by our society have favorable consequences. But an action is good only if it has favorable consequences. So, some actions considered to be bad by our society are actually good.
Pat: I agree with your conclusion, but not with the reasons you give for it. Some good actions actually do not have favorable consequences. But no actions considered to be bad by our society have favorable consequences, so your conclusion, that some actions our society considers bad are actually good, still holds.

Which one of the following correctly describes both an error in Terry’s reasoning and an error in Pat’s reasoning?

(A) presupposing that if a certain property distinguishes one type of action from another type of action, then that property is one of many properties distinguishing the two types of action

(B) presupposing that if most actions of a certain type share a certain property, then all actions of that type share that property

(C) presupposing that if a certain property is shared by actions of a certain type in a given society, then that property is shared by actions of that type in every society

(D) presupposing that if an action’s having a certain property is necessary for its being a certain type of action, then having that property is sufficient for being that type of action

(E) presupposing that if a certain property is shared by two types of action, then that property is the only property distinguishing the two types of action from actions of other types


D is my answer... this is a bit confusing PLEASE POST OA! :cry:
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 [#permalink] New post 31 Jul 2007, 01:11
D by POE, others seem irrelevant. Nice one. I wish I had such CR passage on my exam :lol: :shock:
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 [#permalink] New post 31 Jul 2007, 03:44
Wow, you werent kidding when you said it was tough ... I couldnt figure it out !
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 [#permalink] New post 31 Jul 2007, 06:18
I too really found this CR Tough. The IMO is D. Please explain your answers :)
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Re: Tough CR Question [#permalink] New post 31 Jul 2007, 06:47
Here it goes..
Premise 1: Actions ( Some/Bad/Society ) ----> A(FC)
Implication of Premise 1 ----> Actions ( Some/Bad/Society ) --->Not A(FC)

Premise 2: A(FC) ----> A (Good)
Concl: Actions ( Some/Bad/Society ) --->A(Good)
Author is jumping the gun in reaching the Concl..bcoz ...read Implication above
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Actions (Some/Good)----->NFC
Similar Implication can be.....
Premise 2: Actions ( Bad/Society )---> NFC
Concl:( Some/Bad/Society ) --->A(Good)
Both cases
presupposing that if an action’s having a certain property is necessary for its being a certain type of action, then having that property is sufficient for being that type of action----In real time these elements made sense ..So I choose D...[/color]
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 [#permalink] New post 31 Jul 2007, 10:02
im with D, this can't be a GMAT question........ "considered to be" unidiomatic !! this definitely took a good 8 minutes or so. ha
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Re: Tough CR Question [#permalink] New post 31 Jul 2007, 10:39
ajay_gmat wrote:
Terry: Some actions considered to be bad by our society have favorable consequences. But an action is good only if it has favorable consequences. So, some actions considered to be bad by our society are actually good.
Pat: I agree with your conclusion, but not with the reasons you give for it. Some good actions actually do not have favorable consequences. But no actions considered to be bad by our society have favorable consequences, so your conclusion, that some actions our society considers bad are actually good, still holds.

Which one of the following correctly describes both an error in Terry’s reasoning and an error in Pat’s reasoning?

(A) presupposing that if a certain property distinguishes one type of action from another type of action, then that property is one of many properties distinguishing the two types of action

(B) presupposing that if most actions of a certain type share a certain property, then all actions of that type share that property

(C) presupposing that if a certain property is shared by actions of a certain type in a given society, then that property is shared by actions of that type in every society

(D) presupposing that if an action’s having a certain property is necessary for its being a certain type of action, then having that property is sufficient for being that type of action

(E) presupposing that if a certain property is shared by two types of action, then that property is the only property distinguishing the two types of action from actions of other types


It's a true nightmare of a question. But if you read the choices in an un-stressed manner without worrying about the ticking clock - you'll see that with the exception of D all other choices are actually non-sense.
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 [#permalink] New post 31 Jul 2007, 10:40
terp26 wrote:
im with D, this can't be a GMAT question........ "considered to be" unidiomatic !! this definitely took a good 8 minutes or so. ha


Couldn't agree more except that GMAT test makers can try every trick under the sun to mislead the test taker....
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 [#permalink] New post 31 Jul 2007, 10:42
SO what is the OA? I'm dying to know!
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 [#permalink] New post 31 Jul 2007, 19:11
D is the answer.
If D is true then the conclusion makes sense in both cases.Else there is a flaw in the reasoning.
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 [#permalink] New post 01 Aug 2007, 01:31
OA is D
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