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Hi all,

Misery seeks company. I'd like to invite here everyone who applied for the class of 2008 and ended up with zero admits. It would be useful to share a bit of info about yourself.

Would be useful for others if you could answer the following (I have filled my own answers):
GMAT Score : 720
Work Experience : 7+ years
Location : Australia
#Applications : 6
#Dings : 4
#Interviews : 3
#WL : 2
Which ding hurt the most and why ?
Chicago hurt the most. I really wanted to go there.
What next ?
Writing letters of intent to my waitlist schools and preparing for next years application rounds.
Why the lack of success?
To be quite honest, I dont know. I am still trying to figure out by getting experts on the forum to review my essays. I can attribute the first 3 dings to poor application essays.

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03 Apr 2008, 22:05
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Bro

This is a depressing thread. But I feel compelled to add my name to the list.

GMAT Score : 710
Work Experience : 6+ years
#Applications : 3
#Dings : 3
#Interviews : 1

Which ding hurt the most and why ?
Chicago because it was my best application, I got the interview, I thought I had a chance.
What next ?
Preparing for the next application season
Why the lack of success?
Poor essays for the first 2 schools. For the last school, I've no idea. Low GMAT
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03 Apr 2008, 23:04
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GMAT Score : 770
Work Exp: 4 years
Applications: 9
Interviews: 6
Waitlist : 1

The DING by Michigan and Darden hurt the most. Not getting even an interview for Darden was depressing.

I think my story is quite similar to Sangoman. IT Engineer, Indian.

What Next?

I need to get out of the current rut I am in. I really see no point in continuing in IT as it only worsens my profile. Going to diversify my apps next year - MBAs in USA, Canada and Europe. Going to be practical and go for the MBA that gives the best shot of landing the job I want. Though i really want to be in a US 2 year MBA which really gives me the opportunity to be involved in out of class activities as well.
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04 Apr 2008, 05:47
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GMAT Score : 750
Work Experience : 3 years
Location : NY
#Applications : 3
#Dings : 2
#Interviews : 1
#WL : 1
Which ding hurt the most and why ?
Chicago. I loved the school and all the people I met and I thought my interviews and essays were really good.
What next ?
Writing letters of intent to Chicago and preparing for next years application rounds.
Why the lack of success?
S/W - I think I could've work harder on those applications. Applied in a hurry and didn't put too much effort. Originally, I had planned to apply to Chicago R1 also but hadn't done anything for Essay 3 (ppt) till 2 days before the deadline and decided to give myself more time. Over the next 2 months, I thought I had improved my app drastically and would've loved to send those essays to S/W, but apparently even those essays weren't good enough.
I'm in all the competitive pools so I need an absolutely stellar app - Indian/engineer/FS-Tech.
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03 Apr 2008, 21:22
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GMAT Score : 770
Work Experience : abt 4 years
Location : India
#Applications : 7
#Interviews: 2
#Dings : 6
#WL : 1

Which ding hurt the most and why ?

MIT hurt the most. Followed closely by W - MIT cause I really really really wanted to go there ..........had poured my heart an soul into that app .........W cause I thought I was guranteed at leat an interview (after seeing the type of other Desi's they invited for interview + my sis is an alum).

What next ?

Writing a statement for Haas. doing logistics operations for my sisters marrige.......after that will apply an change my job. No apping for me for at least 2 years (maybe never)

Why the lack of success?

I do know. I am Indian, Male, Engineer an Bitter. Hahahaha.
Ok in all seriousness........cause I have job hopped too many times (3 years 3 jobs). Did not have any LOR from a current supervisor. Got blinded by my score an applied to 5 M7's an 2 top 10's. No big name on my resume (trust me it matters).
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04 Apr 2008, 03:14
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Hey - ok, I'll join this club. However, I'll be honest I don't think I put in the effort I should have put in in the apps

GMAT Score : 760
Work Experience : 8+ years
Location : US
#Applications : 2
#Dings : 2
#Interviews : 0
#WL : 0
Which ding hurt the most and why ?
Chicago hurt because I did not get an interview even. But looking back - I should have put more effort into my application. I did not even visit the school even though I live in Michigan and abt an hour's flight away. The app was done almost in a whim and started a month before deadline. Thanks to BCC145 who reviewed my essays to Chicago, they were at least presentable before being submitted. I should have expected the ding.

What next ?
I am still evaluating if it makes more sense for me to go Part time, since that was what I was planning on doing initially - but am very much tempted to go full time now. So I might end up applying in R1 for next year to a few more schools and seeing how it goes. Hopefully, the US green card thing will work in the next year too, which may make next year more practical for me. I am on my 7th year of H1 now, so will have problems working in the US after my studies if I do that without my green card - and that will be difficult for me because my husband and I haven't planned on moving back to India right away.

Why the lack of success?
I think I know. A few of different things - age (I'm 31 now), the WE for my age (not spectacular), not enough research on the schools (no visits etc, only talked to a couple of people) and definitely not casting my net wide enough - however I wanted to apply to the schools I knew I would go full time to without hesitation, giving up a decent pay and inspite of the visa issues and that is why I applied only to 2 schools.

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04 Apr 2008, 06:59
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GMAT Score : 680
Work Experience : 4.5 years
Location : Southern California
#Applications : 7
#Dings : 3
#Interviews : 3
#WL : 4
Which ding hurt the most and why ?
Chicago hurt the most. I thought my app was really outside the box (in a good way). My powerpoint was a thing of beauty. Alas, didn't even get an interview.
What next ?
Writing love letters to my waitlist schools. In the meantime, I'll also begin studying for the GMAT in case 1)I can boost it while I'm still on a waitlist or 2) For next season's apps, beginning with Columbia ED.
Why the lack of success?
<700 GMAT + Rd2 Apps = No Admits!
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04 Apr 2008, 07:19
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GMAT: 710
WE: 2.5 Years
Age: 25
Applications: 2
Interviews: 0

Which school hurt the most?
LBS

What next?
Retaking the GMAT.

Why lack of success?
I think lack of work experience, career growth (recent promotion will help), and generally not at par with those applicants that were accepted. I think this is the result of not outlining my accomplishments and goals well enough in the essays.

Next year?
I plan to re-apply to LBS. Over the course of the summer I will look at other schools. Right now I think I will add Duke, John Hopkins (SAIS), Cornell, Columbia, and possibly Yale.
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04 Apr 2008, 10:09
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Hey bsd great thread. I feel humbled and shy to put my starts coz I think they are the worst in this ding club so far.

GMAT: 670
WE: 2
Age: 30
Applications: 5
Interviews: 2
Dings: 2
Waitlist: 1
Unknown: 2

Which school hurt the most?
Wharton coz at first I thought it was definitely an automatic ding.. what with a crappy goals essay written just hours before the deadline on top of poor stats etc etc. Then shocked beyond recognition at getting an interview invite along with renewed hope and excitement only to be dinged!...and offcourse I really really wanted to go there...I had dreams of study abroad at INSEAD and being a Wharton follies cast member!

What next?
Retaking the GMAT. Trying to improve my profile by trying to get a job in business abroad. Sounds crazy I know but all my undertakings in life have always been considered crazy by those around me.

Why lack of success?
Poor GMAT score for one. Short work experience. A lack of a clear articulation of my achievements to date as well as a not so passionate why school X. My current work achievements were edited out as too much jargon by my essay editors prompting me to write main essays that just mention my field in passing without articulating my achievements. Age...damn at this rate I sound like the best candidate for the person least likely to get into B-school. I however feel that I have taken full advantage of all my opportunities in life and overcome multiple barriers to be where I am today and have the capacity to successfully pursue a B-school education and subsequent career.

Next year?
Maybe..at this rate am not too sure of anything will decide as things unfold this summer.
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04 Apr 2008, 13:16
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Scary.

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04 Apr 2008, 16:08
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I've been lurking on this thread for a long time, planning on posting once I had some good news. I've pretty much been waitlisted across the board, so I thought I would share my story and see if you have any advice. I really appreciate the supportive GMAT club community, even though I haven't yet shown it. You guys have gotten me through some difficult times without even knowing it - so thanks, I owe you.

GMAT score: 760
Work Experience : 3 years
Location : NYC
#Applications : 6
#Dings : 1
#Interviews : 3
#WL : 3 (Columbia, NYU, Yale)

Which ding hurt the most and why?
I've only been dinged at Stanford and it didn't really affect me very much. I knew Stan was a longshot to begin with, and I gave up long ago when I didn't receive an interview. The waitlist at NYU really stung because I was fairly confident that I would be accepted there - I guess there's still a chance!

What next?
My profile is unlike anyone's I've seen on these boards or others. I've been in PR for three years, the first year at an agency and the last 2 at a hospital. I am seeking to gain a deeper understanding of the implications of the healthcare issues I deal with on a daily basis and land a strategy position either as a member of a healthcare team at a MC firm or an internal position at a healthcare organization. I've applied mostly to schools with strong MPH programs as well, with the intention of adding the joint degree once admitted. Ultimately, I'm hoping to specialize in crisis management (one of my main communications functions as a hospital spokeswoman).

I'm currently taking Accounting at NYU and microeconomics online (Berkeley extension). I'll submit those grades and visit a healthcare class at Columbia in 2 weeks. And then there's the waiting, as if we haven't done enough already...

I am also planning on applying to a top-ranked, part-time MPH program that my employer will sponsor. I am young (24) and believe I could benefit from this program and gain some skills that will make me more marketable in the future - especially if I decide to reapply. The recruiters at the school of public health, though I won't have as much involvement with recruiting as a part-time student, are actually a better fit for what I want to do post-grad. So, I'm questioning whether I need an MBA at all (thoughts?). I sometimes think that a program that is more learning-centric than career-centric might be a better fit, and they take the GMAT in lieu of the GRE, so my accomplishment there doesn't go to waste

Of course, I'll still fight to get off the waitlists! And I have yet to hear from Haas (MBA/MPH) and Gtown (both R3).

Why the lack of success?
I think a combination of youth/inexperience + lack of quantitative background/quantitative job + atypical b-school candidate make me a wild card. Also, following the advice of Garrison Keiller a little too closely:

"Tim Russell: Learn something practical — something that gives you job skills and leads to a career — English!!! Why not get a business degree? What are you going to do with a B.A. in English?

GK: Live. Have a life. That's what."
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04 Apr 2008, 17:51
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GMAT Score : 760
Work Experience : 7 years
Location : US (California)
#Applications : 4
#Dings : 4
#Interviews : 2
#WL : 0
Which ding hurt the most and why ?
Wharton. I had a good app and reco. Wharton was older applicant friendly. The interview was also good. 4.0 GPA in my masters...I also thought I was a good fit!

What next ?Took a week off figuring out what to do.. still figuring out. INSEAD is something I was considering. Should I apply again to Wharton next year as a reapplicant?

Why the lack of success?
Not sure. 1) Age is probably not helping me. I am 31. 2) Also an Indian.. so competing with other Indians I guess 3) Goals, Essays, fit with the school 4) Maybe I didnt do well in the interview.
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05 Apr 2008, 01:00
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Hi Bsd,

I will post my experience to bring down the GMAT a bit

GMAT Score : 690
Work Experience : 5+ years
Location : London
#Applications : 1
#Dings : 1
#Interviews : 0
#WL : 0
Which ding hurt the most and why ? I only applied to Cambridge-Judge Business School, in R3 and it still hurt when I got the ding considering this was my dream school even before I applied.
What next ? Retake the GMAT and concentrate on getting a better score. Also at the same time improve profile in terms of EC and work exp. I will also start on my essays very very early.
Why the lack of success? I decided in Oct 2007 I wanted to do an MBA. My original plan was to take the GMAT in Nov ( after 1 month of study) apply to two schools in R2 and 2 schools in R3. Going along the process it took much much longer to study for the GMAT. After getting only an average score for the schools I was after, I missed all R2 deadlines. I then had 4 weeks for my JBS application which I somehow got out. Looking back at it, my whole application was only average across the board. I didn't stand out in any particular area. This coupled with a R3 application meant a certain ding.
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05 Apr 2008, 11:22
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GMAT Score : 720
Work Experience : 5+ years
Location : Dallas (Indian in US)
#Applications : 5
#Dings : 5
#Interviews : 1
#WL : 0
Which ding hurt the most and why ? Chicago and Wharton. I thought these two were my best apps and not even receiving an interview from Wharton hurt. After I got the interview from Chicago, I was really optimistic but not getting in did hurt.
What next ? I considered various options, including never reapplying again, going back to India, changing jobs etc. Finally, I have decided to give it one last shot before I start implementing some other things. To start off, I am planning on applying to Insead and maybe IMD and ISB. In case I do not get there, I might reapply to Chicago and Wharton.
Why the lack of success? I seriously wish I knew. I thought my GMAT score was low, but then not too low. My XCs were weak, but then not too weak. My WE was pretty good with some pretty big clients. I thought my essays were decent but I now think I can just blame them with everything else almost being fine. I am getting some good feedback from other clubbers here on my essays and I plan to implement them.
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Okay...time to post my stats..

GMAT: 720
WE: 3.5 Years
Age: ~26
Applications: 4
Dings - 3
Interviews: 1
WL - 1

Which school hurt the most?
LBS - for it was my dream school when I started applying. But then, I applied in R1 without much knowledge of the entire B School application process. Now, when I read my Wharton and LBS applications, I find them so funny that even I would have no qualms about rejecting those two apps.

What next?
Still thinking...Will need a couple of months to digest the fact that I won't be going to school this year. Should also see how things change at work.

Why lack of success?
I think its because of the way I told my story and probably the recommendations(blind.. )

Next year?
I plan to re-apply to LBS and Stern. I will try to take some courses, change my job function, and do some activities to improve my profile.
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04 Apr 2008, 06:29
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GMAT: 730
Age: 28
Work Experience: 7 years (Indian Male, IT)
Location: Atlanta
Applications: 4
Interviews: 3
Dings: 4

I seriously have no idea about why i got dinged. I can sort of make my peace with my Ross and Kellogg ding saying that the essays could have been much better. But i thought my Chicago and Wharton applications were very good.

What Next?
I am yet to come out of this rut. But i have started planning a bit. I am probably going to change jobs and try to get into a big brand name company, do some community work and reapply ED/ R1 later this year.
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05 Apr 2008, 13:55
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GMAT Score : 770
Work Experience : 4 years
Location : Ohio
#Applications : 5
#Dings : 4
#Interviews : 1
#WL : 0

Which ding hurt the most and why ?
Tuck (although I had applied to Chicago and MIT as well, Tuck was my #1 choice)

What next ?
Making up for the 3 months of poor productivity at work - thats #1 priority (though my ego is ruffled by the dings, its my conscience that is hurt by the almost zero productivity)
In addition, I need to do research on schools where I have realistic chance and what I can do to improve my future apps.
1. community work - i feel bad about diluting nobility with selfish-interest.
2. promotion, job hop to a reputed company - this will be more difficult than B-school apps in these trying times of economic crisis

Why the lack of success?
After being a part of this forum, I now feel like a mouse that dreamed of seeking shelter with lions . Kudos to all those who made it. In retrospect, I never had a chance at any of the top schools after I read many of your stats and posts (your posts indicated the amount of research that you put into your app); I was just carried away by my GMAT score. I will try again, after improving my application, which I wont be able to next year.
Special thanks to this forum - although I havent been an active poster, I have been reading and voraciously absorbing many of your suggestions. And of course, I made a note of those who offered to review essays; I might soon exercise that option.
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06 Apr 2008, 06:47
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GMAT Score : 690
Work Experience : 3+ years
Location : Indian in US
#Applications : 5
#Dings : 5
#Interviews : 0
#WL : 0

Which ding hurt the most and why ?
Haas, I really wanted to get into Haas

What next ?
Preparing for GMAT to improve my score

Why the lack of success?
Probably, my essays, my background (Indian +IT= Engineer) and my GMAT score
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GMAT: 740 (79 Q, 99 V)
Age: 29
WE: 8 years (White male, government/PR)
Location: East coast
Applications: 5 (all R2)
Interview invites: 4
Dings: 4
WL: 1

What hurt the most? Straight-up rejections after so many interview invites. Am sure age had something to do with it, but that's a discussion (merit of the emerging age-ism in top programs) for another time.

What next? First-time applicant… All apps were to top 12-13 schools. Guess that perhaps stats get you the invite but overall application gets you the decision. Plan on taking some quant courses over the summer (had no quant in academia/professional life), maybe adjusting vision of career direction and applying R1 in the fall. Targeting lower-ranked schools for program specialty and scholarship  and may try a couple top schools I didn’t try this time, as a flier. No regrets and not at all discouraged… in fact I think I’ll be better prepared in a year for the whole experience. Makes you re-examine the process without being so rankings-obsessed. There are a lot of great programs and great people out there, and that's exciting to me.
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Thanks bsd, atlast something that I can relate and contribute to.

GMAT Score : 720
Work Experience : 3+ years.
Education: BE from unknown Indian school; MS from top 10 US univ., GPA 3.7
Location : USA ( Indian living here ..)
#Applications : 6 + 3 ongoing(oxford/cambridge/Texas-Ptime)
#Dings : 5 Columbia, Ross, Darden,Duke, Stern.
#Interviews : 2, Columbia, Cornell
#WL : 1, Cornell

Which ding hurt the most and why ?
Columbia hurt the most. It was my first app., and had worked months on it. Had a great interview, good f/b from interviewer raised my hopes. My interviewer gave me strong recos. for admission, she told me so after my ding. Why did they call me for an interview, when it did not matter? An indian IT guy like me should have atleast 750 for Columbia. And not even getting an interview from Darden was shocking.

What next ?
Wooing Cornell, but hopeless now. THey told me my career progression was weak, so I got a promotion and reported that. that didn't help, not sure what else to do, that was the only thing pointed out as weak in my profile, and I was told my interview was great.
Decided to give a shot at Oxford and Cambridge, and kiss US gbye. Cambridge last round aint going to work out anyway, but I've busted my butt for an year, can do it for some more days and hope for a miracle. It took a lot of courage to start writing essays after 5 dings and a WL and an year of giving up on life.

Also apping. to Texas-Mccombs PT, I live herw. This should work out, if Oxford/Cambridge doesn't work out, I'll go for this. Decided not to re-apply, there are lots of variables in my life at this point, not sure if I can stay committed and strenghten my profile with them.

Why the lack of success?
- Poor score for a 27/Indian/IT male, non-IIT background
- Lack of understanding of the semiconductor indutry by AD comms., this is NOT (infosys/wipro/TCS) IT, where one can become a project lead/manager in an year or two. Both the budgets and stakesin this industry are too high, and the project time-frames are in years. No offense meant to IT guys, just want to say my job is not the same as yours.
OR, my failure in BSing in my essays/resume about bringing out leadership/career progression. Look at it the way you want.
-Realizing only last year that I need to go do an MBA, if I knew I was going to do this, I would have switched jobs and done something interesting that could better demonstrated my career progress.

Sorry for sounding bitter! On the positive note I'm optimistic and looking forward to whatever comes in the next few years. After being down for a long time, I finally put one of my essays into practice. The essay was about what makes one happy .., I was amazed to be helped by my own writing!

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