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# The 2012-2013 Zero Admit Club

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Current Student
Joined: 18 Nov 2011
Posts: 154
Schools: Johnson '15 (M)
GMAT 1: 730 Q47 V44
Followers: 4

Kudos [?]: 52 [1] , given: 21

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Apologies for my ignorance here but isn't it a tad early to be branding one's self as a Zero Admit for the 2012-2013 application cycle? Are there not multiple R2 and R3 deadlines that are still open for many of the top schools?

For those who have posted thus far, thanks for sharing. It must be a very difficult and stressful experience; hoping for all the best that you all can take away positives from the experience and learn from it.
Current Student
Joined: 08 May 2011
Posts: 217
Location: United States
Schools: Wharton '16 (M)
WE: Analyst (Venture Capital)
Followers: 6

Kudos [?]: 90 [0], given: 3

I see my name in the where are they now up top. Shortly after getting swept last year I took a new job and moved cities. Might reapply in the next cycle, or do the EMBA. All things work out in the end, so don't fret folks.
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Joined: 15 Nov 2012
Posts: 5
GRE 1: 317 Q156 V161
GPA: 3
WE: Sales (Transportation)
Followers: 0

Kudos [?]: 1 [1] , given: 1

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I am still working on my applications and have not received any responses yet. I saw this thread on Facebook. A couple of things stood out to me in reading these responses, and I admit it is a very small sample of zero admits I am sure, but it seems as though the posters here are both very young and applying to the very best schools. While there is certainly nothing wrong with that, compared to the greater applicant pool things may be different. I am 36 years old, with 15 years of experience in Sales & Marketing and planning on pursuing a full-time MBA in Marketing. I have middle of the road GMAT and GPA (640/3.3) but since I graduated from college in 1999, I am not sure how much of that will carry forward. With the exception of Michigan (which I chose because of its location and my prior automotive industry experience), I have applied mostly to schools that Businessweek has ranked in the 20s and 30s. Most of my choices were driven by the schools location, their concentrations, and the type of atmosphere of the student body. Even with a 700+ 3.8+ GMAT/GPA I am not sure that I would be happy at a programs like those, at least at this point in my life.

Being ambitious and taking advantage of a school's reputation certainly won't hurt you in life - with that said I do think that you have to take more holistic look at where you see yourself in life, career, and your work-life balance. I can tell you this after you reach a certain point in your age when you start to get married, own a home, and involve yourself in other pursuits your priorities change. I think a lot of people get caught up in the game like school is a race - maybe for some, but not for most. I decided to go back and pursue a FT MBA instead of an EMBA since it is my desire to move away from my current industry and also I feel that I could best maximize my MBA exprience on campus that only a full-time program can provide.

Lastly, I think you need to ask yourself WHY you are making the decisions that you are and how they affect YOU rather than how you would look on paper. I think that a lot of people forget that ultimately school is to YOUR benefit not for someone else's.
Current Student
Joined: 04 Oct 2011
Posts: 432
Concentration: Finance
GMAT 1: 700 Q44 V41
GMAT 2: 750 Q48 V46
GPA: 3.03
WE: Project Management (Military & Defense)
Followers: 14

Kudos [?]: 110 [0], given: 150

Planet, you are right there is definitely a bias on this website but that is somewhat to be expected. The people who are motivated enough to spend time on a website like GMATClub are going to be the same type of people who are motivated to constantly do their best and shoot for the top. Certainly there are exceptions but most on this forum are expecting GMAT scores well above 700 and are looking for every bit of info that can help them get into the elite schools.

You mentioned age but if you do the research you will find the average age here is far more representative of schools than yours. The average work experience at most full time programs is 5 years so at 15 you will actually be the outlier. Not that that is bad, just making sure you are aware. Everybody has their own priorities but I think most would argue that you won't hurt your future by going to the best school you can attend. If you know exactly where you want to live and what you want to do then the regionality and specific focus of lower ranked schools could be more important. But if you are switching careers our a little unsure then going to a top program will open more doors with your network.

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Current Student
Status: Too close for missiles, switching to guns.
Joined: 23 Oct 2012
Posts: 787
Location: United States
Schools: Johnson (Cornell) - Class of 2015
WE: Military Officer (Military & Defense)
Followers: 16

Kudos [?]: 315 [1] , given: 175

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mappleby wrote:
Everybody has their own priorities but I think most would argue that you won't hurt your future by going to the best school you can attend.

I agree with this, but I think what planet is saying is that some of the younger people on this thread have a "top-ten" or bust mentality. If you apply to H/S/W, consider schools in the 11-20 range such as Duke/Ross/Darden etc. if you add Kellogg, Booth, Sloan, and CBS to your H/S/W apps, don't be shocked if you get dinged everywhere. Those schools all have acceptance rates 20% and lower. some of the smartest and accomplished people in the planet are your competition. If a school outside the top ten doesn't do it for you, then fine. But if the goal is to attend Bschool his fall, it's smart to hedge your bets and cast a net among the top 20 - especially when you consider that the same companies recruit at all these schools.
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Status: getting there
Joined: 23 Dec 2012
Posts: 38
Concentration: General Management, Entrepreneurship
Schools: Tuck '16
Followers: 0

Kudos [?]: 14 [0], given: 131

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But if the goal is to attend Bschool his fall, it's smart to hedge your bets and cast a net among the top 20 - especially when you consider that the same companies recruit at all these schools.

Some interesting discussion wrt the job offers at M7 & top 10 vs top 11-25 schools
how-true-is-this-145644.html
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Current Student
Status: Too close for missiles, switching to guns.
Joined: 23 Oct 2012
Posts: 787
Location: United States
Schools: Johnson (Cornell) - Class of 2015
WE: Military Officer (Military & Defense)
Followers: 16

Kudos [?]: 315 [0], given: 175

bluemints wrote:
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But if the goal is to attend Bschool his fall, it's smart to hedge your bets and cast a net among the top 20 - especially when you consider that the same companies recruit at all these schools.

Some interesting discussion wrt the job offers at M7 & top 10 vs top 11-25 schools
how-true-is-this-145644.html

Difference is that thread discusses the differences between the tiers of schools (i.e. Booth vs. Darden). I'm comparing a top 15 or top 20 vs. not going to B-school at all (for people who only applied to top 8 schools and got dinged at them all).
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Joined: 02 Jul 2012
Posts: 1227
Location: India
Concentration: Strategy
GMAT 1: 740 Q49 V42
GPA: 3.8
WE: Engineering (Energy and Utilities)
Followers: 89

Kudos [?]: 938 [0], given: 116

CobraKai wrote:
Dbalks wrote:
Sometimes its just more of a crapshoot than anything else.

I second this. There are limited seats at the top schools and you are competing against some of the smartest/ambitious people in the world.

I would also cast a wider net when selecting schools. I know it's a lot of work, but the reason I say this is because different Adcoms look for different things and it's just too tough to predict who will take whom. There are people that get accepted by HBS but dinged at Kellogg. Accepted by Tuck and dinged at Johnson. Find schools that will help you meet your career goals and do not apply to a school you would not ultimately happy be attending. Best of luck.

Probably the starngest would be when I saw someone in gmatclub accepted at Chicago Booth, dinged without interview at Texas A&M Mays...
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Current Student
Status: Too close for missiles, switching to guns.
Joined: 23 Oct 2012
Posts: 787
Location: United States
Schools: Johnson (Cornell) - Class of 2015
WE: Military Officer (Military & Defense)
Followers: 16

Kudos [?]: 315 [0], given: 175

MacFauz wrote:
Probably the starngest would be when I saw someone in gmatclub accepted at Chicago Booth, dinged without interview at Texas A&M Mays...

Yeah, that's the most extreme case. But when you think about it, the Adcoms have been doing this awhile, and Mays may have just concluded that the applicant's profile and stats were much, much higher than their usual applicant pool and recognized that even offering a full-ride wouldn't be enough to sway the applicant, so dinging and moving on saved everybody time. Schools in the top 15 probably don't do this because there's always the possibility someone would choose say, Darden over Booth because of fit, but no one in their right mind will ever choose Mays over Booth because of a better fit. That's just nuts.
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Current Student
Joined: 26 May 2010
Posts: 719
Location: United States (MA)
Concentration: Strategy
Schools: MIT Sloan - Class of 2015
WE: Consulting (Mutual Funds and Brokerage)
Followers: 16

Kudos [?]: 203 [0], given: 642

CobraKai wrote:
MacFauz wrote:
Probably the starngest would be when I saw someone in gmatclub accepted at Chicago Booth, dinged without interview at Texas A&M Mays...

Yeah, that's the most extreme case. But when you think about it, the Adcoms have been doing this awhile, and Mays may have just concluded that the applicant's profile and stats were much, much higher than their usual applicant pool and recognized that even offering a full-ride wouldn't be enough to sway the applicant, so dinging and moving on saved everybody time. Schools in the top 15 probably don't do this because there's always the possibility someone would choose say, Darden over Booth because of fit, but no one in their right mind will ever choose Mays over Booth because of a better fit. That's just nuts.

Right. Plus, realistically, some schools practice yield protection. In the example above, what does Mays have to gain by offering up a spot to someone who will matriculate elsewhere, therefore hurting their yield (and their rankings)?
Current Student
Status: Prospective Applicant
Joined: 06 Mar 2011
Posts: 80
Concentration: General Management, Marketing
Followers: 3

Kudos [?]: 29 [0], given: 7

kmcduw wrote:

Looks like I'll be in this club for the second year in a row unless Sloan works out.

Age/Gender: 25/M
GMAT Score/GPA : 760/3.71
Work Experience: Public Accounting (audit) / 3yrs
Location: Seattle, WA
Schools applied to: Harvard, Tuck, Stern, Haas (2014), Tuck, Stanford, Wharton, Columbia, Sloan (2015)
Any consulting services used: Yes, Stacy Blackman
#Interviews: 2 (both 2015, 1 by invitation, 1 self-initiated)
#WL: 0

Optional:
Which ding hurt the most and why? Tuck. I was encouraged to reapply via a feedback offer, accomplished most of the tasks, spent  flying across the country to visit, and I was a legacy applicant.
Why the lack of success? Not sure. Poor interview (redeye from Seattle doesn't help) maybe? Lack of international experience? Addressed the feedback call items pretty well.
What next? Continue being a slave in an industry I don't like, I guess.

I can definitely relate with your desire to get out of audit. I spent three busy seasons as a Big Four auditor and realized that I most definitely did not want to do anything related to accounting for the rest of my career. Unfortunately, as I'm sure you're aware, the majority of the exit opportunities for someone in public accounting revolve around accounting, financial reporting, internal audit, etc. Fortunately, I was able to transfer over to one of our Advisory groups and will have been there for about 1.5 years by the time I head off to b-school. I would highly recommend looking into a transfer if that is available to you. The work is definitely more interesting (for me), the hours are better, and you can use it to show the AdCom that you are driven to continuously challenge yourself. Just my two cents.
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Joined: 13 Sep 2011
Posts: 572
Location: United States
Schools: Ross '16 (M)
GMAT 1: 720 Q V0
Followers: 9

Kudos [?]: 142 [0], given: 28

As of now, i'm in the club. I'm on four waitlists--Yale, Sloan, Tuck & Kellogg. Hopefully, luck will turn in my favor.
Intern
Joined: 06 Jul 2011
Posts: 2
Concentration: Finance, Strategy
GMAT 1: 740 Q45 V46
GPA: 3.53
WE: Consulting (Consulting)
Followers: 0

Kudos [?]: 0 [0], given: 0

Age/Gender: 27 - Male
GMAT Score/GPA : 740 (46V, 45Q, 6AW, 4IR) - 3.53
Work Experience: [industry/years] Systems Integration Consulting at Accenture - 5 years
Location: Minneapolis
Schools applied to: Harvard, Sloan, Booth, Kellogg
Any consulting services used: [Yes/NO, Who?] Yes, Amerasia
#Interviews: Kellogg
#WL: 1 - Sloan

Optional:
Which ding hurt the most and why? Booth - I didn't get an interview.
Why the lack of success? Unsure
What next? Unsure
Current Student
Joined: 13 Jan 2013
Posts: 148
Followers: 1

Kudos [?]: 34 [0], given: 43

In the club as of now. Applied to three schools- got dinged without interview at two places, waitlisted with interview at one school. Somewhat optimistic I can get off the WL as I'm going to convince them as best as I can that I'm going if I get in (which I'm obviously hoping for).
But even if I don't, I still feel I've learned a lot from the experience applying this time around, and I'll surely be better when I decide to make another run at it. I'm an early career applicant (~2 years WE) so I feel with a few more years I should be more competitive.
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Posts: 5239
Location: Los Angeles CA
Followers: 60

Kudos [?]: 420 [0], given: 67

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jense688 wrote:
Age/Gender: 27 - Male
GMAT Score/GPA : 740 (46V, 45Q, 6AW, 4IR) - 3.53
Work Experience: [industry/years] Systems Integration Consulting at Accenture - 5 years
Location: Minneapolis
Schools applied to: Harvard, Sloan, Booth, Kellogg
Any consulting services used: [Yes/NO, Who?] Yes, Amerasia
#Interviews: Kellogg
#WL: 1 - Sloan

Optional:
Which ding hurt the most and why? Booth - I didn't get an interview.
Why the lack of success? Unsure
What next? Unsure

It's frustrating. Are you working the Sloan waitlist? Are you from an over-represented group? do you have leadership experience on an off the job?

Obviously I can't even attempt to opine on why you weren't accepted without evaluating your app, but you may want to check out these pages which have resources for wailisted applicants as well as for applicants who may need to reapply:

* MBA Waitlist
* Accepted or Rejected: What to Do Next
* MBA Reapplicants

Don't give up!

Best,
Linda
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Joined: 04 Sep 2012
Posts: 138
Location: United States
GMAT 1: 760 Q50 V42
GPA: 3.3
Followers: 1

Kudos [?]: 33 [0], given: 17

Age/Gender: 29 - Male (Asian American)
GMAT Score/GPA : 760 (50Q, 42V) - 3.3 from a top 15 university according to USNews
Work Experience: [industry/years] Software development/financial engineering - 5.5 years
Location: Boston
Schools applied to: Booth
Any consulting services used: [Yes/NO, Who?] No
#Interviews: Booth
#WL: 0

Optional:
Which ding hurt the most and why? Booth - It was the only school on my list because it is by far my top choice, and I devoted all of my efforts to their application.

Why the lack of success? I likely had a bad interview grade, and not much community/volunteering work.

What next? Will go through the fall 2013 application cycle, do some community work in something I'm passionate about, and dabble in mobile app development.

LBS, Booth, Wharton, CBS, Tuck are on my preliminary list of schools. Would appreciate any suggestions (especially if I'm aiming too high).
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Joined: 26 May 2010
Posts: 719
Location: United States (MA)
Concentration: Strategy
Schools: MIT Sloan - Class of 2015
WE: Consulting (Mutual Funds and Brokerage)
Followers: 16

Kudos [?]: 203 [0], given: 642

Blax0r wrote:
Age/Gender: 29 - Male (Asian American)
GMAT Score/GPA : 760 (50Q, 42V) - 3.3 from a top 15 university according to USNews
Work Experience: [industry/years] Software development/financial engineering - 5.5 years
Location: Boston
Schools applied to: Booth
Any consulting services used: [Yes/NO, Who?] No
#Interviews: Booth
#WL: 0

Optional:
Which ding hurt the most and why? Booth - It was the only school on my list because it is by far my top choice, and I devoted all of my efforts to their application.

Why the lack of success? I likely had a bad interview grade, and not much community/volunteering work.

What next? Will go through the fall 2013 application cycle, do some community work in something I'm passionate about, and dabble in mobile app development.

LBS, Booth, Wharton, CBS, Tuck are on my preliminary list of schools. Would appreciate any suggestions (especially if I'm aiming too high).

I don't think you're aiming too high. I just think you made a mistake by putting all your eggs in one basket. Based on your list of schools for next season, it seems like you're interested in finance in NYC/Boston. If so, have you considere Darden, Johnson, and Yale? I believe all three place pretty well in IB and could help round out your list of schools.
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kingfalcon wrote:
I don't think you're aiming too high. I just think you made a mistake by putting all your eggs in one basket. Based on your list of schools for next season, it seems like you're interested in finance in NYC/Boston. If so, have you considere Darden, Johnson, and Yale? I believe all three place pretty well in IB and could help round out your list of schools.

Probably didn't help that I achieved my GMAT score a month before R2 apps were due (and I didn't start the process yet at that point).

Actually, there are a few specific companies and course-sets that I am looking for in an MBA. I am definitely more on the quant-side, and want a program where I can take hardcore math classes (Times Series Analysis is an indicator I use) as well as the other management/soft skills classes. Booth's curriculum fits this preference very well; they even offer linear programming. All but Tuck satisfies that condition, but Tuck happens to be a target school for most of the "non-bank/consulting" companies I would want to work for.

I was actually a masters student at Cornell 6-7 years ago, and saw their detailed employment report - it was not good. Hopefully things have changed since then, but there are other things about Johnson that I wouldn't want as an MBA student.

I will definitely look into Darden and Yale though; my initial impression of Yale was that its curriculum is very different from everyone else. Not sure if that's good or bad yet. Darden is a complete unknown to me, but its reputation is very strong.

Thank you for the support, and congrats on Sloan! I will definitely do a visit during the fall semester; maybe we can meet up!

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Status: Yale SOM!
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
Posts: 1309
Location: United States
Concentration: Marketing, Strategy
Schools: Yale SOM - Class of 2015
Followers: 44

Kudos [?]: 465 [0], given: 308

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Blax0r wrote:
kingfalcon wrote:
Blax0r wrote:
Age/Gender: 29 - Male (Asian American)
GMAT Score/GPA : 760 (50Q, 42V) - 3.3 from a top 15 university according to USNews
Work Experience: [industry/years] Software development/financial engineering - 5.5 years
Location: Boston
Schools applied to: Booth
Any consulting services used: [Yes/NO, Who?] No
#Interviews: Booth
#WL: 0

Optional:
Which ding hurt the most and why? Booth - It was the only school on my list because it is by far my top choice, and I devoted all of my efforts to their application.

Why the lack of success? I likely had a bad interview grade, and not much community/volunteering work.

What next? Will go through the fall 2013 application cycle, do some community work in something I'm passionate about, and dabble in mobile app development.

LBS, Booth, Wharton, CBS, Tuck are on my preliminary list of schools. Would appreciate any suggestions (especially if I'm aiming too high).

I don't think you're aiming too high. I just think you made a mistake by putting all your eggs in one basket. Based on your list of schools for next season, it seems like you're interested in finance in NYC/Boston. If so, have you considere Darden, Johnson, and Yale? I believe all three place pretty well in IB and could help round out your list of schools.

Probably didn't help that I achieved my GMAT score a month before R2 apps were due (and I didn't start the process yet at that point).

Actually, there are a few specific companies and course-sets that I am looking for in an MBA. I am definitely more on the quant-side, and want a program where I can take hardcore math classes (Times Series Analysis is an indicator I use) as well as the other management/soft skills classes. Booth's curriculum fits this preference very well; they even offer linear programming. All but Tuck satisfies that condition, but Tuck happens to be a target school for most of the "non-bank/consulting" companies I would want to work for.

I was actually a masters student at Cornell 6-7 years ago, and saw their detailed employment report - it was not good. Hopefully things have changed since then, but there are other things about Johnson that I wouldn't want as an MBA student.

I will definitely look into Darden and Yale though; my initial impression of Yale was that its curriculum is very different from everyone else. Not sure if that's good or bad yet. Darden is a complete unknown to me, but its reputation is very strong.

Thank you for the support, and congrats on Sloan! I will definitely do a visit during the fall semester; maybe we can meet up!

Yeah, I'd look at those schools + Sloan if I were you. Sloan is more quant-heavy as I'm sure you know, so that sounds like a good fit from a high-level perspective. Yale's curriculum is set-up really differently from other schools' but ultimately the content is more or less the same. There's still cases and lectures and whatnot, but instead of approaching business from a functional standpoint (finance, marketing, operations, etc), they approach it from a stakeholder perspective (customer, competitor, investor, etc). Hope that helps.
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aerien wrote:

Yeah, I'd look at those schools + Sloan if I were you. Sloan is more quant-heavy as I'm sure you know, so that sounds like a good fit from a high-level perspective. Yale's curriculum is set-up really differently from other schools' but ultimately the content is more or less the same. There's still cases and lectures and whatnot, but instead of approaching business from a functional standpoint (finance, marketing, operations, etc), they approach it from a stakeholder perspective (customer, competitor, investor, etc). Hope that helps.

I appreciate your opinion; I'm actually a little scared off by MIT. Two of their (much older) alumni work with me, and both are very unhappy with their career trajectory (financial engineering/analytics probably would suit a CS or MFE guy more). Obviously the sample is small and dated, but this seems to be an illustration of the "alumni network" and "career services" offered post graduation. However, I'll commit to educating myself more on the school.

Congrats on Yale SOM though! I have a lot of time to mull things over, and I won't discount any school.

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