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Re: The 2012-2013 Zero Admit Club [#permalink] New post 21 Mar 2013, 22:44
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Age/Gender: 27 - Male
GMAT Score/GPA : 740 (46V, 45Q, 6AW, 4IR) - 3.53
Work Experience: [industry/years] Systems Integration Consulting at Accenture - 5 years
Location: Minneapolis
Schools applied to: Harvard, Sloan, Booth, Kellogg
Any consulting services used: [Yes/NO, Who?] Yes, Amerasia
#Interviews: Kellogg
#WL: 1 - Sloan

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Which ding hurt the most and why? Booth - I didn't get an interview.
Why the lack of success? Unsure
What next? Unsure


It's frustrating. Are you working the Sloan waitlist? Are you from an over-represented group? do you have leadership experience on an off the job?

Obviously I can't even attempt to opine on why you weren't accepted without evaluating your app, but you may want to check out these pages which have resources for wailisted applicants as well as for applicants who may need to reapply:

* MBA Waitlist
* Accepted or Rejected: What to Do Next
* MBA Reapplicants

Don't give up!

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Re: The 2012-2013 Zero Admit Club [#permalink] New post 28 Mar 2013, 11:51
Age/Gender: 29 - Male (Asian American)
GMAT Score/GPA : 760 (50Q, 42V) - 3.3 from a top 15 university according to USNews
Work Experience: [industry/years] Software development/financial engineering - 5.5 years
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Schools applied to: Booth
Any consulting services used: [Yes/NO, Who?] No
#Interviews: Booth
#WL: 0

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Which ding hurt the most and why? Booth - It was the only school on my list because it is by far my top choice, and I devoted all of my efforts to their application.

Why the lack of success? I likely had a bad interview grade, and not much community/volunteering work.

What next? Will go through the fall 2013 application cycle, do some community work in something I'm passionate about, and dabble in mobile app development.

LBS, Booth, Wharton, CBS, Tuck are on my preliminary list of schools. Would appreciate any suggestions (especially if I'm aiming too high).
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Re: The 2012-2013 Zero Admit Club [#permalink] New post 28 Mar 2013, 14:14
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Age/Gender: 29 - Male (Asian American)
GMAT Score/GPA : 760 (50Q, 42V) - 3.3 from a top 15 university according to USNews
Work Experience: [industry/years] Software development/financial engineering - 5.5 years
Location: Boston
Schools applied to: Booth
Any consulting services used: [Yes/NO, Who?] No
#Interviews: Booth
#WL: 0

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Which ding hurt the most and why? Booth - It was the only school on my list because it is by far my top choice, and I devoted all of my efforts to their application.

Why the lack of success? I likely had a bad interview grade, and not much community/volunteering work.

What next? Will go through the fall 2013 application cycle, do some community work in something I'm passionate about, and dabble in mobile app development.

LBS, Booth, Wharton, CBS, Tuck are on my preliminary list of schools. Would appreciate any suggestions (especially if I'm aiming too high).

I don't think you're aiming too high. I just think you made a mistake by putting all your eggs in one basket. Based on your list of schools for next season, it seems like you're interested in finance in NYC/Boston. If so, have you considere Darden, Johnson, and Yale? I believe all three place pretty well in IB and could help round out your list of schools.
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Re: The 2012-2013 Zero Admit Club [#permalink] New post 28 Mar 2013, 14:36
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I don't think you're aiming too high. I just think you made a mistake by putting all your eggs in one basket. Based on your list of schools for next season, it seems like you're interested in finance in NYC/Boston. If so, have you considere Darden, Johnson, and Yale? I believe all three place pretty well in IB and could help round out your list of schools.


Probably didn't help that I achieved my GMAT score a month before R2 apps were due (and I didn't start the process yet at that point).

Actually, there are a few specific companies and course-sets that I am looking for in an MBA. I am definitely more on the quant-side, and want a program where I can take hardcore math classes (Times Series Analysis is an indicator I use) as well as the other management/soft skills classes. Booth's curriculum fits this preference very well; they even offer linear programming. All but Tuck satisfies that condition, but Tuck happens to be a target school for most of the "non-bank/consulting" companies I would want to work for.

I was actually a masters student at Cornell 6-7 years ago, and saw their detailed employment report - it was not good. Hopefully things have changed since then, but there are other things about Johnson that I wouldn't want as an MBA student.

I will definitely look into Darden and Yale though; my initial impression of Yale was that its curriculum is very different from everyone else. Not sure if that's good or bad yet. Darden is a complete unknown to me, but its reputation is very strong.

Thank you for the support, and congrats on Sloan! I will definitely do a visit during the fall semester; maybe we can meet up!

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Re: The 2012-2013 Zero Admit Club [#permalink] New post 28 Mar 2013, 15:21
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Age/Gender: 29 - Male (Asian American)
GMAT Score/GPA : 760 (50Q, 42V) - 3.3 from a top 15 university according to USNews
Work Experience: [industry/years] Software development/financial engineering - 5.5 years
Location: Boston
Schools applied to: Booth
Any consulting services used: [Yes/NO, Who?] No
#Interviews: Booth
#WL: 0

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Which ding hurt the most and why? Booth - It was the only school on my list because it is by far my top choice, and I devoted all of my efforts to their application.

Why the lack of success? I likely had a bad interview grade, and not much community/volunteering work.

What next? Will go through the fall 2013 application cycle, do some community work in something I'm passionate about, and dabble in mobile app development.

LBS, Booth, Wharton, CBS, Tuck are on my preliminary list of schools. Would appreciate any suggestions (especially if I'm aiming too high).

I don't think you're aiming too high. I just think you made a mistake by putting all your eggs in one basket. Based on your list of schools for next season, it seems like you're interested in finance in NYC/Boston. If so, have you considere Darden, Johnson, and Yale? I believe all three place pretty well in IB and could help round out your list of schools.


Probably didn't help that I achieved my GMAT score a month before R2 apps were due (and I didn't start the process yet at that point).

Actually, there are a few specific companies and course-sets that I am looking for in an MBA. I am definitely more on the quant-side, and want a program where I can take hardcore math classes (Times Series Analysis is an indicator I use) as well as the other management/soft skills classes. Booth's curriculum fits this preference very well; they even offer linear programming. All but Tuck satisfies that condition, but Tuck happens to be a target school for most of the "non-bank/consulting" companies I would want to work for.

I was actually a masters student at Cornell 6-7 years ago, and saw their detailed employment report - it was not good. Hopefully things have changed since then, but there are other things about Johnson that I wouldn't want as an MBA student.

I will definitely look into Darden and Yale though; my initial impression of Yale was that its curriculum is very different from everyone else. Not sure if that's good or bad yet. Darden is a complete unknown to me, but its reputation is very strong.

Thank you for the support, and congrats on Sloan! I will definitely do a visit during the fall semester; maybe we can meet up!


Yeah, I'd look at those schools + Sloan if I were you. Sloan is more quant-heavy as I'm sure you know, so that sounds like a good fit from a high-level perspective. Yale's curriculum is set-up really differently from other schools' but ultimately the content is more or less the same. There's still cases and lectures and whatnot, but instead of approaching business from a functional standpoint (finance, marketing, operations, etc), they approach it from a stakeholder perspective (customer, competitor, investor, etc). Hope that helps.
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Re: The 2012-2013 Zero Admit Club [#permalink] New post 28 Mar 2013, 19:38
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Yeah, I'd look at those schools + Sloan if I were you. Sloan is more quant-heavy as I'm sure you know, so that sounds like a good fit from a high-level perspective. Yale's curriculum is set-up really differently from other schools' but ultimately the content is more or less the same. There's still cases and lectures and whatnot, but instead of approaching business from a functional standpoint (finance, marketing, operations, etc), they approach it from a stakeholder perspective (customer, competitor, investor, etc). Hope that helps.


I appreciate your opinion; I'm actually a little scared off by MIT. Two of their (much older) alumni work with me, and both are very unhappy with their career trajectory (financial engineering/analytics probably would suit a CS or MFE guy more). Obviously the sample is small and dated, but this seems to be an illustration of the "alumni network" and "career services" offered post graduation. However, I'll commit to educating myself more on the school.

Congrats on Yale SOM though! I have a lot of time to mull things over, and I won't discount any school.
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Re: The 2012-2013 Zero Admit Club [#permalink] New post 28 Mar 2013, 22:46
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Age/Gender: 29 - Male (Asian American)
GMAT Score/GPA : 760 (50Q, 42V) - 3.3 from a top 15 university according to USNews
Work Experience: [industry/years] Software development/financial engineering - 5.5 years
Location: Boston
Schools applied to: Booth
Any consulting services used: [Yes/NO, Who?] No
#Interviews: Booth
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Which ding hurt the most and why? Booth - It was the only school on my list because it is by far my top choice, and I devoted all of my efforts to their application.

Why the lack of success? I likely had a bad interview grade, and not much community/volunteering work.

What next? Will go through the fall 2013 application cycle, do some community work in something I'm passionate about, and dabble in mobile app development.

LBS, Booth, Wharton, CBS, Tuck are on my preliminary list of schools. Would appreciate any suggestions (especially if I'm aiming too high).


I also don't think you are aiming too high. I do think it's a mistake to only apply to one school in the top 10. The competition is just too intense for that kind of move. As someone else said, you put all your eggs in one basket.

I think you also have to look critically at your essays and the other elements of your application to make sure you presented yourself well. If you got the interview, that's a sign that you did well enough, but if you made mistakes, you want to know about them now so you don't repeat them. (Plug alert: yes we offer ding reports.

In terms of other schools, assuming you are interested in finance, consider NYU Stern, Cornell Johnson, and Yale as well as Chicago, Columbia and Wharton.

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Re: The 2012-2013 Zero Admit Club [#permalink] New post 03 Apr 2013, 18:47
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As of now, i'm in the club. I'm on four waitlists--Yale, Sloan, Tuck & Kellogg. Hopefully, luck will turn in my favor.


And now it's two waitlists (kellogg and tuck) and two dings (Yale and Sloan). Sloan, in particular, was disappointing because the admissions committee asked me to write another essay which I guess didn't satisfy their questions about my application
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Re: The 2012-2013 Zero Admit Club [#permalink] New post 04 Apr 2013, 06:33
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This thread has motivated me to re-add my dings to my profile. I'll wear them like a badge of honor. As of 5 pm on March 27, I was in this club. At 5:15 I got the best call of my life.

I wish everyone the best! Unfortunately, I do feel that many on these forums tend to miss the forest for the trees.

Congrats! And nice GMAT score!
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Re: The 2012-2013 Zero Admit Club [#permalink] New post 11 Apr 2013, 11:14
Not a zero-admit, but didn't get any schools that I plan to matriculate to. Here's my deal:

Age/Gender: 24- Male (Caucasian American)
GMAT Score/GPA : 760 (48Q, 48V) - 3.51 from a top 40/45 university according to USNews
Work Experience: [industry/years] Marketing/Communications, 3 yrs (left my job at a startup during the app cycle to do independent consulting)
Location: Florida
Schools applied to: Harvard, Wharton, Sloan, Stern, McCombs, Columbia, Kellogg, McDonough
Any consulting services used: [Yes/NO, Who?] Yes, MBA Admit
#Interviews: Columbia, Kellogg, McDonough
#WL: NYU

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Which ding hurt the most and why? Columbia. I felt I was the best fit at Kellogg, but who knows how far I got there. I really felt like I knocked the Columbia app out of the park (upon further review after calming down I really didn't) so that one hurt.

Why the lack of success? I'm light on work exp and don't have name brand exp, also I'm not sure my highest GMAT score counted for McCombs and Sloan. Also think my essays could have been a lot better looking back.

What next? I have some momentum in my new entrepreneurial venture, so I'm going to run with that for the moment and possibly apply ED at Columbia in the Fall and reapply to Kellogg. I might bring Fuqua and Yale into the mix as well.
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Re: The 2012-2013 Zero Admit Club [#permalink] New post 11 Apr 2013, 17:04
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With stats like that, you should have received some positive outcomes... Feel free to be in touch if you would like a free consultation.

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Let's share our profiles and thoughts about what we have done and what we can improve for the next application season.

Please provide information only in the suggested template:

Age/Gender:
GMAT Score/GPA :
Work Experience: [industry/years]
Location:
Schools applied to:
Any consulting services used: [Yes/NO, Who?]
#Interviews:
#WL:


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Which ding hurt the most and why?
Why the lack of success?
What next?


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In a similar vein to the "2008 Zero Admits - Where Are They Now?" thread, I've compiled the same information for the 2011-2012 Zero Admit Club:

2011-2012 Zero Admit Club - Where Are They Now?
  • canadianchamp - Duke
  • mappleby - Columbia
  • huntzman - Darden, Booth
  • str1der - Tuck, Kellogg
  • anordinaryguy
  • chromium73
  • Hizzo
  • sdd996

It's still early in the 12-13 cycle and we're already seeing some great results! Hope this gives you all some hope for later application cycles.

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Looks like I'll be in this club for the second year in a row unless Sloan works out.

Age/Gender: 25/M
GMAT Score/GPA : 760/3.71
Work Experience: Public Accounting (audit) / 3yrs
Location: Seattle, WA
Schools applied to: Harvard, Tuck, Stern, Haas (2014), Tuck, Stanford, Wharton, Columbia, Sloan (2015)
Any consulting services used: Yes, Stacy Blackman
#Interviews: 2 (both 2015, 1 by invitation, 1 self-initiated)
#WL: 0

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Which ding hurt the most and why? Tuck. I was encouraged to reapply via a feedback offer, accomplished most of the tasks, spent $$ flying across the country to visit, and I was a legacy applicant.
Why the lack of success? Not sure. Poor interview (redeye from Seattle doesn't help) maybe? Lack of international experience? Addressed the feedback call items pretty well.
What next? Continue being a slave in an industry I don't like, I guess.

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Re: The 2012-2013 Zero Admit Club [#permalink] New post 11 Apr 2013, 17:09
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Hi,

Your new list of schools looks sound as long as you put together a strong application and time your applications well. Don't give up hope! It would be worthwhile for you to get a good assessment of your prior application to see where you can strengthen your application and candidacy. You should also put time to work for you and strengthen your extracurricular activities as much as possible. There's a lot that can be done in the time you have before fall admissions. Feel free to be in touch if you want a free consultation.

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Age/Gender: 29 - Male (Asian American)
GMAT Score/GPA : 760 (50Q, 42V) - 3.3 from a top 15 university according to USNews
Work Experience: [industry/years] Software development/financial engineering - 5.5 years
Location: Boston
Schools applied to: Booth
Any consulting services used: [Yes/NO, Who?] No
#Interviews: Booth
#WL: 0

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Which ding hurt the most and why? Booth - It was the only school on my list because it is by far my top choice, and I devoted all of my efforts to their application.

Why the lack of success? I likely had a bad interview grade, and not much community/volunteering work.

What next? Will go through the fall 2013 application cycle, do some community work in something I'm passionate about, and dabble in mobile app development.

LBS, Booth, Wharton, CBS, Tuck are on my preliminary list of schools. Would appreciate any suggestions (especially if I'm aiming too high).


I also don't think you are aiming too high. I do think it's a mistake to only apply to one school in the top 10. The competition is just too intense for that kind of move. As someone else said, you put all your eggs in one basket.

I think you also have to look critically at your essays and the other elements of your application to make sure you presented yourself well. If you got the interview, that's a sign that you did well enough, but if you made mistakes, you want to know about them now so you don't repeat them. (Plug alert: yes we offer ding reports.

In terms of other schools, assuming you are interested in finance, consider NYU Stern, Cornell Johnson, and Yale as well as Chicago, Columbia and Wharton.

Finally, check out our (mostly free) resources for reapplicants:

http://www.accepted.com/mba/decisions.aspx#Rejected
http://www.accepted.com/mba/reapplication.aspx

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Re: The 2012-2013 Zero Admit Club [#permalink] New post 14 May 2013, 23:27
Hey Guys,

Nice thread ... here are my stats etc:

Age/Gender: 32/Male
GMAT Score/GPA : 730/3.8
Work Experience: [industry/years]: Sustainability/7 years
Location: New York
Schools applied to: Booth, Wharton, Kellogg, Columbia
Any consulting services used: [Yes/NO, Who?] NO
#Interviews: Booth (interviewed twice once for 2012 and then for 2013), Wharton (interviewed twice once for 2012 and then for 2013), Kellogg interviewed twice once for 2012 and then for 2013)
#WL: NO

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Which ding hurt the most and why? Booth. In my opinion, everything went perfect. I reapplied for 2013, based on motivation from some very senior Booth admins. My interviewer offered to write a letter for me should I get WLed but alas .. not even a WL.
Why the lack of success? Not sure, I guess age and being an Indian :) ?
What next? Not sure :(

The process has been very frustrating. I have been invited for interviews from top schools both in 2012 and 2013 application cycles, but, never got any admits. I have been getting interview invites from top B schools since last two years, so, I am assuming that I am doing something right.

I would love to hear opinions/suggestions from you guys. At this point in my life, I am not sure if reapp is a good idea. I have gone through the process twice and felt both the times that I was very near to success.

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Re: The 2012-2013 Zero Admit Club [#permalink] New post 17 Aug 2013, 09:58
Just wanted to toss my hat into the ring here. Last year I went 0/3; I knew it was a possibility given I had only applied to the top schools, but it still sucked. I'm reapplying earlier this year (round 1 vs round 2), received a promotion at work, and have some new extracurriculars so hopefully it's enough to get me in somewhere. I'm also expanding my school selection - lesson learned!

Age/Gender: 26- Male (Asian American)
GMAT Score/GPA : 760 - 3.9
Work Experience: [industry/years] Consulting -> Private Equity
Schools applied to: Harvard, Stanford, Wharton
Any consulting services used: [Yes/NO, Who?] Yes
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Age/Gender: 30/M
GMAT Score/GPA : 710/3.35
Work Experience: [industry/years] Aerospace/8
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Schools applied to: Wharton/Kellogg/Haas/Chicago/Sloan
Any consulting services used: [Yes/NO, Who?] Yes
#Interviews: 1 - Kellogg
#WL: none

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Which ding hurt the most and why? Haas - the one I wanted badly.
Why the lack of success? Can't really point on something specific, and that's what makes this even more disappointing. I though a lot about my career goals, stories, school research - and I can't tell what went wrong, with 5 schools (!). Although I chose only top schools, I expected more interviews, and at least one happy phone call. I even payed for a ding analysis with one well known internet consulting firm, but nothing they mentioned was a major issue in my view, although many small things can still bring the same result of multiple dings.
What next? Reapplying, of course! Haas and Kellogg as a re-applicant, and I will add some other schools from a lower tier. in 2014 I'm starting a new way in business school - the question is only "which" :)
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Age/Gender: 26/Male
GMAT Score/GPA : 710/3.18 Undergrad, 3.13 Masters
Work Experience: [industry/years] 5 years upon matriculation/Accounting, Big-4
Location: Boston
Schools applied to: Harvard, Columbia, Booth, Kellogg, Duke, NYU
Any consulting services used: [Yes/NO, Who?] NO
#Interviews: Duke
#WL: Duke, NYU

Which ding hurt the most and why? NYU. I was placed on the waitlist during R1 and really tried my hardest to get accepted afterward. I had a very creative essay 3 and thought this was my best application. After being on the waitlist for over 5 months I was released. NYC is definitely my goal and I will 100% reapply.
Why the lack of success? Started slow in the application process and did not put in effort on 4 of the 6 schools because I didn't believe I had a chance. Also, did not properly address the lower GPA's in optional essays. I graduated undergrad in 3 years all while having medical issues. Grad school GPA is a result of being part time and working full time to not focus on grades.
What next? Re-applying to 2 of the 6 schools and adding 3 new schools. Looking for better fit schools for me.

I would love feedback if anyone has anything to add.
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