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The Achaemenid empire of Persia reached the Indus Valley in the fifth century B.C., bringing the Aramaic script with it, from which was derived both northern and southern Indian alphabets.

a. the Aramaic script with it, from which was derived both northern and
b. the Aramaic script with it, and from which deriving both the northern and the
c. with it the Aramaic script, from which derive both the northern and the
d. with it the Aramaic script, from which derives both northern and
e. with it the Aramaic script, and deriving from it both the northern and


This is my first post of Verbal... Please tell me know you break down the grammar and pick the right one... will post OA soon. :)
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 [#permalink] New post 12 Jul 2006, 19:29
IMO it's C.

The Achaemenid empire of Persia reached the Indus Valley in the fifth century B.C., bringing with it the Aramaic script, from which derive both the northern and the southern Indian alphabets.

- In the second clause, we need to use "it" before "Aramaic script".
- "Aramaic script" should be placed closer to "from which".
- Plural verb "derive" has to be used for "both the northern and the southern Indian alphabets".

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 [#permalink] New post 12 Jul 2006, 19:38
c. with it the Aramaic script, from which derive both the northern and the


Took a looooong time for this... on GMAT I would guess and probably wrong.

Anyway, "with it" provides the closest antecedent for the noun ".. empire".

"northern and southern" compound plural require "derive" plural form.

Therefore C.
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 [#permalink] New post 12 Jul 2006, 20:17
Good question.
Got C as well.
We need plural form 'derive'.
Also, ' the northern and the southern ' makes more sense here.
Check the explaination of ps_Dahiya for using article ' the '.

http://www.gmatclub.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 449#208449
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 [#permalink] New post 12 Jul 2006, 20:24
Really a tough one.......

Will go with C.

Use of article "the" is appropriate here.
And S-V agreement maintained by using the plural form derive.
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 [#permalink] New post 12 Jul 2006, 21:53
my vote for C too but I am not able to understand why is this a very tough one ? Am i missing something here?

A, B, D are easily eliminated.

a. the Aramaic script with it, from which was derived both northern and

should be were for plural

b. the Aramaic script with it, and from which deriving both the northern and the

from which deriving .... is awkward.

c. with it the Aramaic script, from which derive both the northern and the

makes sense.

d. with it the Aramaic script, from which derives both northern and

derives cannot be used with plural.

e. with it the Aramaic script, and deriving from it both the northern and

it is ambiguous and meaning suggests Achaemenid empire derived the northern and southern alphabets..
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Re: SC-Aramaic script [#permalink] New post 12 Jul 2006, 22:18
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The Achaemenid empire of Persia reached the Indus Valley in the fifth century B.C., bringing the Aramaic script with it, from which was derived both northern and southern Indian alphabets.

a. the Aramaic script with it, from which was derived both northern and
b. the Aramaic script with it, and from which deriving both the northern and the
c. with it the Aramaic script, from which derive both the northern and the
d. with it the Aramaic script, from which derives both northern and
e. with it the Aramaic script, and deriving from it both the northern and


This is my first post of Verbal... Please tell me know you break down the grammar and pick the right one... will post OA soon. :)



I have to choose C.. But I think there is tense problem here ..

Shouldn't the second part of sentence - from which derive X and Y - be in past tense - from which are derived X and Y - to indicate that both the acitons "reaching" and "deriving" happened in past ??

any comments ??
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 [#permalink] New post 12 Jul 2006, 22:21
(C) for the correct S-V agreement.

both X and Y derive~

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 [#permalink] New post 12 Jul 2006, 22:24
Was confused between C & D. But, it should be C since it uses the plural derive

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 [#permalink] New post 12 Jul 2006, 22:29
Yes, C is the OA.

My problem is, why is it plural for derive? How is the subject "the northern and the southern indian alphabets"?

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 [#permalink] New post 12 Jul 2006, 22:36
The idiom, 'both ....and ...." always takes in plural verb. Thats why we need a plural verb here.

This is one explanation. Anyone with a better explanation please help.

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 [#permalink] New post 12 Jul 2006, 22:50
so the second part is actually reversed and has the verb in front of the subject?
I always thought it should have been "from which both the northern...alphabets derive".... :shock:
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 [#permalink] New post 12 Jul 2006, 23:49
a. the Aramaic script with it, from which was derived both northern and
out : "from which" refers to "it"(the empire).

b. the Aramaic script with it, and from which deriving both the northern and the
out : "from which" refers to "it"(the empire).

c. with it the Aramaic script, from which derive both the northern and the
OK

d. with it the Aramaic script, from which derives both northern and
out : derives singular. we need plural

e. with it the Aramaic script, and deriving from it both the northern and
clearly wrong
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 [#permalink] New post 13 Jul 2006, 01:10
We need 'with it' to follow 'bringing' so that 'it' will point correctly to the noun empire. --> A,B out.

We need 'from which' so that we can clearly emphasize the alphabets are dervied from the Aramaic script --> E is out.

Between C and D, pick C. We need 'the' to emphasize that we are referring to different character sets. Without 'the' (as in D), the sentence seem to suggest the alphabets point in a certain direction (south/north)

C for me.
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