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The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a spectacular scale with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each, were connected by a complex regional system of roads.

A. scale with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each, were
B. scale with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each,
C. scale of more than 75 carefully engineered structures of up to 600 rooms, each that had been
D. scale of more than 75 carefully engineered structures of up to 600 rooms and with each
E. scale of more than 75 carefully engineered structures of up to 600 rooms each had been

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Re: The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a [#permalink] New post 19 Jun 2011, 11:12
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The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a spectacular scale with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each, were connected by a complex regional system of roads.

A. scale with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each, were
B. scale with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each,
C. scale of more than 75 carefully engineered structures of up to 600 rooms, each that had been
D. scale of more than 75 carefully engineered structures of up to 600 rooms and with each
E. scale of more than 75 carefully engineered structures of up to 600 rooms each had been

Why "were" is not required for B as the correct answer?


Using 'were' in option A creates run on sentence as only a comma is used.
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Re: The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a [#permalink] New post 20 Jun 2011, 09:07
I was able to rull out c,d and e. But selected A. Can anyone please suggest
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Re: The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a [#permalink] New post 20 Jun 2011, 09:26
The question here is "what is/are connected by roads"
If "The Anasazi settlements" is the subject, which is the case..another 'were' is reqd..and if the specacular scale is connected by roads, then 'were' isn't reqd..
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Re: The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a [#permalink] New post 20 Jun 2011, 10:12
B. The Anasazi were built on a spectacular scale with ... structures, of up to 600 rooms each, connected by a complex regional system of roads.
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Re: The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a [#permalink] New post 20 Nov 2011, 07:50
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Why "were" is not required for B as the correct answer?


We have main verb "were built" in the non-underlined part. the second "were" here has no subject. So, B is eliminated.
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Re: The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a [#permalink] New post 21 Nov 2011, 08:48
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On this topic, interestingly, I found four different transcriptions of the original test, essentially in the portion that is underlined, in as many different forums for a question that is from GPREP. Which one should we follow?

1 Urch version

The Anasazi settlements of Chaco Canyon were built on a spectacular scare with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each were connected by a complex regional system of roads. (note tht there is no comma after each)

2. Beat the GMAT version

The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a spectacular scale with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each, were connected by a complex regional system of roads. (note the comma after each)

3 Gmatclub version

The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a spectacular scale with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each, were connected by a complex regional system of roads.

4. Manhattan version

The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a spectacular scale with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each, were connected by a complex regional system of roads.
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Re: The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a [#permalink] New post 18 Jan 2012, 18:41
Guys in my book, it has the following form; notice that there is a comma after scale in the original question. And that's what confuses me. If there was no comma, the answer is easily B though.

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The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a spectacular scale, with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each, were connected by a complex regional system of roads.

A. scale,with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each, were
B. scale, with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each,
C. scale of more than 75 carefully engineered structures of up to 600 rooms, each that had been
D. scale of more than 75 carefully engineered structures of up to 600 rooms and with each
E. scale of more than 75 carefully engineered structures of up to 600 rooms, each had been
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Re: The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a [#permalink] New post 23 Jun 2014, 14:14
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The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a spectacular scale with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each, were connected by a complex regional system of roads.

A. scale with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each, were
B. scale with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each,
C. scale of more than 75 carefully engineered structures of up to 600 rooms, each that had been
D. scale of more than 75 carefully engineered structures of up to 600 rooms and with each
E. scale of more than 75 carefully engineered structures of up to 600 rooms each had been

Why "were" is not required for B as the correct answer?

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In this sentence I still couldn't grasp why 2nd were is wrong? Please Help!
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I'm happy to respond to your p.m. :-)

If we include the second "were", then "were connected" would be a full verb, a complete past tense verb. There's already one verb, "were built," so this would be a second full verb. Presumably, the two verbs would have the same subject, so they would have to be in parallel. That's fine, but to have two verbs in parallel, we would absolutely need a conjunction, such as "and."
...scale with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each, and were ...
That would be correct. Without the "and", the parallelism doesn't work.

If we remove the second "were," then the full verb "were connected" becomes simply the participle "connected," a noun modifier that can follow a string of other modifiers.

Does all this make sense?
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Re: The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a [#permalink] New post 24 Jun 2014, 01:45
I assume that the modifier is modyfying the noun 'structures' ?
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Re: The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a [#permalink] New post 24 Jul 2014, 02:55
As per my understanding use of scale of incorrect here for construction, we normally use scale of 'on the scale of 10-20'

so we can directly eliminate c,d and e :)

A is out as it is trying to connect two clause 'and' is required , So B is correct!! :)
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Re: The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a [#permalink] New post 28 Jul 2014, 03:21
For the sake of users who might want to attempt the question in future, would it be possible to hide the sentence "Why "were" is not required for B as the correct answer?" into the spoiler section?
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Re: The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a [#permalink] New post 28 Jul 2014, 12:12
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For the sake of users who might want to attempt the question in future, would it be possible to hide the sentence "Why "were" is not required for B as the correct answer?" into the spoiler section?

Dear radi,
Astute observation, my friend. I just put that sentence in a spoiler box.
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Re: The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a [#permalink] New post 28 Jul 2014, 13:10
Could anyone please post the official answer for the question? Why is C incorrect? What is connected by roads?
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Re: The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a [#permalink] New post 28 Jul 2014, 14:32
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Could anyone please post the official answer for the question? Why is C incorrect? What is connected by roads?

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I'm happy to respond. First of all, the OA is posted for this question already. When you see this:
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Now, why is (C) incorrect? Well, first of all, the word "of" is idiomatically incorrect, and this is part of what makes (C), (D), and (E) incorrect. This sentence, by itself, is correct:
The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a spectacular scale.
If we want to indicate more detail, we add detail to the settlements, not to the word "scale" itself.
The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a spectacular scale with more than 75 carefully engineered structures.
Perfectly correct. The "with" phrases are modifying "settlements."
The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a spectacular scale of more than 75 carefully engineered structures.
In this version, the "of" phrase illogically modifies "scale", telling us (??) what kind of scale?? This makes no sense. The choices that use "of" here are incorrect.

Even if choice (C) had the correct word "with" instead of "of", the ending is still awkward, wordy, and not direct.
Version (B) = ... 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each, connected by a complex regional system of roads.
Version (C) = ... 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms, each that had been connected by a complex regional system of roads
Use of the past perfect tense is illogical --- had been. Also, this is a wordy and awkward way to express this idea. Also, (C) subtly changes the meaning. In choices (A) & (B), it's clear that the "structures" were "connected by ... roads." Choice (C) changes the meaning, illogically suggesting that each room has its own road!! Thus, if there were a structure with 600 rooms, this structure would have 600 road coming into it? The ancient Anasazi were not building complex highway interchange ramps!! That is 100% illogical, as well as a very different meaning from what is expressed clearly in the prompt.

For all these reasons, (C) is irredeemably incorrect.

Does all this make sense?
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Re: The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a [#permalink] New post 30 Jul 2014, 04:49
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The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a spectacular scale.
If we want to indicate more detail, we add detail to the settlements, not to the word "scale" itself.
The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a spectacular scale with more than 75 carefully engineered structures.
Perfectly correct. The "with" phrases are modifying "settlements."
The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a spectacular scale of more than 75 carefully engineered structures.
In this version, the "of" phrase illogically modifies "scale", telling us (??) what kind of scale?? This makes no sense. The choices that use "of" here are incorrect.


Hello Mike

Can you please elaborate on how you concluded that "of" will refer to "Scale" while "with" will refer to "settlements".
if it is some detailed concept can you please share the link

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Re: The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a [#permalink] New post 30 Jul 2014, 09:43
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mikemcgarry wrote:
The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a spectacular scale.
If we want to indicate more detail, we add detail to the settlements, not to the word "scale" itself.
The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a spectacular scale with more than 75 carefully engineered structures.
Perfectly correct. The "with" phrases are modifying "settlements."
The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a spectacular scale of more than 75 carefully engineered structures.
In this version, the "of" phrase illogically modifies "scale", telling us (??) what kind of scale?? This makes no sense. The choices that use "of" here are incorrect.


Hello Mike

Can you please elaborate on how you concluded that "of" will refer to "Scale" while "with" will refer to "settlements".
if it is some detailed concept can you please share the link

Thankyou

Dear niyantg,
I'm happy to respond. :-) Actually, this concept is not detailed at all: it's so intuitive that it's hard to put into words at all.

A prepositional phrase beginning with "of" almost always modifies the word directly before it. This is true in 99% of all cases --- the only exceptions I know are sophisticated sentences with the structure: [subject]+"is"+"of"-prepositional-phrase.
The decor in this town is of an different era.
That's a bit more sophisticated than you are likely to see on the GMAT. The point is, the word "of" is almost always attached the noun immediately in front of it.

A prepositional phrase beginning with "with" is much more flexible, and can modify the verb as well as the noun. In some sense, it might be more correct to say the "with" phrase in the Anasazi sentence modifies the verb "were built" rather than any noun. That's debatable, but it certainly doesn't modify "scale."

Part of the distinction here has to do with idioms. The construction "scale of" is a typical idiom:
... built on a scale of several inches.
... seen on the scale of distant galaxies.

By contrast, "scale with" is not an idiom at all, so the "with" must be doing something else besides modifying the word "scale."

My friend, all of this is stuff you need to "hear" in order to be successful at GMAT SC. If your command of English is not good enough to hear these distinctions, you need to READ. You need to read an hour a day, every day -- that's over and above any GMAT preparations. You need to read hard, challenging material in English. If you are considering getting an MBA, you already should be reading the Wall Street Journal every day and the Economist Magazine from cover to cover every week. For more suggestions on what to read, see:
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/gmat-reading-list/
There is not magic shortcut for developing all these intuitions about English. You need to do the hard work of reading, every single day, so that over time, you start to see the patterns and get the feel of the language.

Does all this make sense?
Mike :-)
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