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The city industrialists have demanded the state government to meet the promises made by chief minister Ashok Chavan.
The city industrialists have demanded that the state government meet the promises made by chief minister Ashok Chavan.

Could someone please explain what THE CORRECT IDIOM STRUCTURE is for each of the above and why it's incorrect (if incorrect)

A reading above 50 percent indicates the manufacturing economy to be generally expanding.
A reading above 50 percent indicates that the manufacturing economy is generally expanding.
A reading above 50 percent indicates the manufacturing economy is generally expanding.

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The city industrialists have demanded the state government to meet the promises made by chief minister Ashok Chavan.
-- Wrong: Demand is command subjunctive ONLY verb. Infinitive form "to meet" is not allowed.
The city industrialists have demanded that the state government meet the promises made by chief minister Ashok Chavan.
-- Correct. This sentence correctly uses the simple tense form for verb "meet".

Concept -
Command subjunctive ONLY verbs: (indicates desire): Demand, Dictate, Insist, Mandate, Propose, Recommend, Stipulate
e.g. We mandate (demand) that he be there.
Infinitive ONLY verbs: Advice, Allow, Forbid, Persuade, Want
e.g. We allow (want) him to be here.

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A reading above 50 percent indicates the manufacturing economy to be generally expanding. --Wrong. 'that' is missing.
A reading above 50 percent indicates that the manufacturing economy is generally expanding. --Correct. 'that' is followed by indicate.
A reading above 50 percent indicates the manufacturing economy is generally expanding. --Wrong. 'that' is missing.

Concept -
Always Keep 'that' after a reporting verb
Common reporting verbs: agree, claim, contend, declare, find, indicate, reveal, rule, show


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Determined by vs Determined from

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X was determined by Y means that X RESULTED from Y.
X was determined from Y means that X was DEDUCED from Y.
X was determined through Y means that Y was the METHOD through which X was deduced.

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Re: Idiom Clarification [#permalink] New post 31 Dec 2012, 09:01
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The city industrialists have demanded the state government to meet the promises made by chief minister Ashok Chavan.
-- Wrong: Demand is command subjunctive ONLY verb. Infinitive form "to meet" is not allowed.
The city industrialists have demanded that the state government meet the promises made by chief minister Ashok Chavan.
-- Correct. This sentence correctly uses the simple tense form for verb "meet".

Concept -
Command subjunctive ONLY verbs: (indicates desire): Demand, Dictate, Insist, Mandate, Propose, Recommend, Stipulate
e.g. We mandate (demand) that he be there.
Infinitive ONLY verbs: Advice, Allow, Forbid, Persuade, Want
e.g. We allow (want) him to be here.

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A reading above 50 percent indicates the manufacturing economy to be generally expanding. --Wrong. 'that' is missing.
A reading above 50 percent indicates that the manufacturing economy is generally expanding. --Correct. 'that' is followed by indicate.
A reading above 50 percent indicates the manufacturing economy is generally expanding. --Wrong. 'that' is missing.

Concept -
Always Keep 'that' after a reporting verb
Common reporting verbs: agree, claim, contend, declare, find, indicate, reveal, rule, show


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Determined by vs Determined from

Below explains it (courtesy Mitch Hunt)
X was determined by Y means that X RESULTED from Y.
X was determined from Y means that X was DEDUCED from Y.
X was determined through Y means that Y was the METHOD through which X was deduced.



I demand to see the person in charge!

You stated that demand is only and always followed by that. So the above construction is incorrect?
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Re: Idiom Clarification [#permalink] New post 31 Dec 2012, 09:11
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Perhaps, the sentence written by you is out of the scope of the GMAT.
As per MGMAT SC and e-GMAT, demand can ONLY take "that", in GMAT. In outer world, it is possible to write sentences in a way that doesn't follows GMAT standard.
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Re: Idiom Clarification [#permalink] New post 31 Dec 2012, 10:48
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I demand to see the person in charge.
I find this a little awkward.
de·mand
/diˈmand/
Noun
An insistent and peremptory request, made as if by right.
Verb
Ask authoritatively or brusquely.
Synonyms
noun. request - claim - requirement - requisition - call - want
verb. require - claim - ask - request - call for - postulate

It would be better to put it like "I wish to see the person in charge"
Keeping in mind that "wish" in no way means subtle. Wish has pretty strong intentions too.
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Re: Idiom Clarification [#permalink] New post 31 Dec 2012, 10:55
Eaakbari, once you read the Verb tense chapter of MGMAT SC guide (Command subjunctive mood topic) or other equivalent source then you will be lot more clearer on this concept. They have detailed explanations with examples there.

In summay:
 Command subjunctive – used with certain bossy verbs, which tell people to do things
o E.g., The agency demanded that Gary be ready before noon.
 Same form that you would use to command Gary directly
o Be ready before noon, Gary!

Basic rules:
 Bare form of verb – infinitive without the "to"
 Use simple present tense
 No –s on the end for third person singular
 Verb "to be" is always just "be", but never use is, are, or am

Subjunctive construction with “bossy verb”:
Bossy verb + THAT + subject + command subjunctive
 Correct: We propose that the school board disband.
 Wrong: We propose the school board disband. --That is not optional
Command Subjunctive ONLY (indicates desire): Demand, Dictate, Insist, Mandate, Propose, Recommend, Request, Stipulate, and Suggest
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