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The country’s Commerce secretary says that spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, compared to about $20 billion in last year.

A)that spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, compared with about $20 billion in last year
B)that spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, and that is compared to about $20 billion last year
C)spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, compared with about $20 billion last year
D)spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, compared with about $20 billion reached in last year
E)spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, and that is compared to about $20 billion reached last year


My doubt :- How can the option without "that" be correct ?

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OA : C
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Re: The country’s Commerce secretary says that spending on [#permalink] New post 18 Jul 2013, 03:52
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My doubt :- How can the option without "that" be correct ?

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The country’s Commerce secretary says that spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, compared to about $20 billion in last year.

B)that spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, and that is compared to about $20 billion last year
E)spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, and that is compared to about $20 billion reached last year
B and E suggests that the secretary said 1)that spending could reach 40B 2)that is compared to 20B (said these two different things, so they are not "compared" to each other).

D)spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, compared with about $20 billion reached in last year
A)that spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, compared with about $20 billion in last year

You can use "say something" without using "that". Example: "the Act says such behavior is an offense" or "I don’t want to say too much" http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/say

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Re: The country’s Commerce secretary says that spending on [#permalink] New post 24 Jul 2013, 04:46
Zarrolou, any idea when that must follow says/said. I struck off options c,d,e simply because of the missing 'that'!
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Re: The country’s Commerce secretary says that spending on [#permalink] New post 24 Jul 2013, 08:39
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The country’s Commerce secretary says that spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, compared to about $20 billion in last year.

A)that spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, compared with about $20 billion in last year

A is wrong because it's not using spending as a noun. It's describing the action of spending which is wrong.
B)that spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, and that is compared to about $20 billion last year same reason as in A
C)spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, compared with about $20 billion last year correct
D)spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, compared with about $20 billion reached in last year "reached in last year" is wrong
E)spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, and that is compared to about $20 billion reached last year incorrect


My doubt :- How can the option without "that" be correct ?

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OA : C


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Re: The country’s Commerce secretary says that spending on [#permalink] New post 24 Jul 2013, 08:49
Eliminate A, because in last year is not idiomatic. Last year suffices.
Eliminate B, because the second "that" is ambiguous. Besides, seldom do we use the full version of "subject be compared with/to". I think we often use the shorter version of "compared with/to".

So the right option definitely won't contain a "that" as its beginning.

Although GMAT always puts "that" after a verb to introduce an objective clause, there may be one or two times when GMAT choose to omit "that" after the verb "say".

Hopes this helps.

gmat2805 wrote:
The country’s Commerce secretary says that spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, compared to about $20 billion in last year.

A)that spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, compared with about $20 billion in last year
B)that spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, and that is compared to about $20 billion last year
C)spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, compared with about $20 billion last year
D)spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, compared with about $20 billion reached in last year
E)spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, and that is compared to about $20 billion reached last year


My doubt :- How can the option without "that" be correct ?

[Reveal] Spoiler:
OA : C
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Re: The country’s Commerce secretary says that spending on [#permalink] New post 24 Jul 2013, 10:29
dhler-
you said GMAT often do not use That to compare but you also said answer is definitly without that...

So i do not follow you what you saying...
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Re: The country’s Commerce secretary says that spending on [#permalink] New post 24 Jul 2013, 11:31
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So the right option definitely won't contain a "that" as its beginning.

Although GMAT always puts "that" after a verb to introduce an objective clause, there may be one or two times when GMAT choose to omit "that" after the verb "say".

Hopes this helps.


Hi dhler.

Your answer is correct. This question does not require "that". However, I want to elaborate a bit. (It may help those who are still wondering about "that")

(1) "Say + That" vs "Say + That"

* Optional That
The word that is usually optional when it comes after the following verbs: verb, tell, think, believe

Let see examples:
Erica said that she was coming over after work
--OR--
Erica said she was coming over after work
Both are correct. However, the latter is better because it's more concise.

*Obligatory That
The word that is usually obligatory after the following verbs when introducing another clause: mention, declare, report, state (the most common verb we see on GMAT is "report")

(2) Concision in GMAT

If two sentences are correct in terms of grammars, meaning, GMAT chooses the shorter one.
Back to this question. If A were correct, GMAT would have chosen C (say + that) because C is more concise.

Hope it helps.


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Re: The country’s Commerce secretary says that spending on [#permalink] New post 22 Jun 2015, 22:47
Question that tests the minor exception of reporting verbs...

You dont need that when you are using the reporting verb 'say'....

gmat2805 wrote:
The country’s Commerce secretary says that spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, compared to about $20 billion in last year.

A)that spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, compared with about $20 billion in last year
B)that spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, and that is compared to about $20 billion last year
C)spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, compared with about $20 billion last year
D)spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, compared with about $20 billion reached in last year
E)spending on fuel subsidies could reach $40 billion dollars in 2013, and that is compared to about $20 billion reached last year


My doubt :- How can the option without "that" be correct ?

[Reveal] Spoiler:
OA : C

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