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# The evolution of your B-school pursuit

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02 Dec 2008, 20:15
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Bump...you guys should read this. Some really interesting posts.
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Stanford and Haas would both be awesome BUT I am not a gambling man and my effort should be focused on reality. No regrets. Plus the Berkeley hippies freak me out.

Oh c'mon! What's there NOT to like about tree-sitting naked hippies?

Congrats on your decision and have a great time in b-school!
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Mine is continually evolving, because I'm not applying until next year. Here's how it goes.

1) Few years out from undergrad and no desire to go back to school or get MBA.

2) Realization that an MBA would be very helpful as external validation of my skills. All of my experience is with one relatively unknown company, where I've gone up the ranks very quickly. If I had to switch companies I'm certain that I'd be looking at a \$20K+ pay cut because someone at my age in my industry doesn't usually make as much as I do.

3) Realize that it would also be fun to go back to school, so I decide to pursue an MBA and I start to look into various top 20 schools. My tops are Harvard/MIT, because I don't want to move away from my gf, but I'm also interested in Darden, Michigan, Tuck, Northwestern.

4) Realize that this whole endeavor might actually be financial imprudent, given the opportunity cost of not working and cost of tuition. So I decide that if I can't get into an M7+Tuck school then I won't go at all.

5) Huge doubts of my ability to get in to an M7 start to take over, as well as an ever-growing desire to get my MBA even if not at an M7.

6) So here's where I am. I really want to get an MBA, but I don't want to leave Cambridge. My local choices are HBS/MIT, so my chances of getting in locally are slim. Pretty much everyday I change my mind about what I want to do, and it's all quite frustrating.

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07 Jan 2008, 16:57
When: and What: Around April I was looking for a new challenge, started looking in the job market in Japan, spoke to several headhunters and friends and lots in internet research. The research showed that the market in Japan in my field is very domestically focused. Native language skills usually needed and asked for in the job postings, fluency in Japanese is not enough, even International companies in Japan such as Google, Apple, Yahoo were hugely domestically focused on the Japanese market and required native Japanese with fluent English (Fluent Japanese and Native English not enough). I wanted to move away from technical and into product managment and analysis as an initial step to my main goal.

Around mid-October i came across MBAs... In the UK, MBAs are not particularly sought after. Not as well recognised or established compared to the USA, but gaining momentum. A brief research into the MBA, and i realised that this was what i needed to complement my technical skills. So October was the start of the MBA process

Where First thing i discovered about MBAs? Needed to sit a GMAT. Second thing i discovered... applications had already started. Third thing i discovered? Need to apply by early January for round 2 as round 3 is tough and international applicants are not encouraged to apply in the last rounds.

Holiday was already booked for mid december so that gave me 2 months to get everything done. School research took about a week!!!! -> Japanese unis rejected due to poor placement and value of an MBA. (in fact its difficult to find non-Japanese working in Japan with an MBA due to the nature of the job market here).
Job research showed that Multi-nationals were regionally focused in Singapore and Hong Kong, so these are my target job markets. So naturally, the schools in those countries were considered. UK, being my home country was resesarched... and i wanted an internship opportunity. Manchester became the natural choice.
USA schools were studied, Hult became a backup due to its short course, and high international acceptance.
Top schools were then researched, and Stanford, Kellogg and Cornell were selected for different reasons.

Schedule
My first practise exam.. i got 560 so I picked 4 schools which i believed i could get into and set the GMAT date for mid november to give me 1 month to write essays for application and 3 weeks to study ( in between working and babysitting)
After i got my score, i decided that it was worth a shot to apply to some top schools, afterall, you have to be in it to win it.
1 Month of application writing later, and just after i finished the Stanford app, i was accepted into Manchester (met rd I deadline ofNov 23rd)

The Decision
Hult was a backup, so ive withdrawn from that.
Manchester, HKUST and NUS are the next tier
Kellogg, Stanford and Cornell are the top tier for my selections.

After visting Singapore as part of my hols, the country is a place i could live and work in. Plus, the low fees means i can almost maintain an ex-pat style of life. Plus the wife can easily get work in Singapore or Hong Kong after her maternity is over. manchesterss course is very very good, but very expensive. The wife can also find work there too however we dont intend to stay in the UK afterwards.

The US schools, well, if i get accepted into one of them, it would be silly not to take it. Main issue is that the wife will be unable to work in the USA.
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07 Jan 2008, 17:02
back from the dead...this is actually a great thread to bring back since there are a lot more admits since I posted this. Hopefully some others will add theirs. This could be a great read for 09 applicants.
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09 Jan 2008, 10:09
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So after reading the thread on R2 application and seeing the indecisiveness of some of the applicants on where to apply I figure this will be an interesting thread. It would be great to get current students on this too, they could even expand this to their internship hunt. Hopefully we get some interesting tales for next years applicants to look at this spring.

How has your B-school plan evolved? When did you decide to pursue this, what were you goals and have those changed, and of course the rotating decision on what schools and which is your top?

When:

I started looking into MBAs over two years ago, thinking I would get the degree to jump start a fledgling marketing career and get the credentials for top management. (I felt my undergrad degree wouldnt be sufficient)
I have a degree in business btw.

Shortly after communicating that plan to my gf, she became my ex-gf, I guess I wasnt really diplomatic about the whole: I am going to do it in the US-thing. (I am from Europe)

What:

See above. And I wanted to get an international degree, possibly with the chance to work in the U.S. for a while. I also knew, and am becoming more aware of the fact that I lack significant finance and strategy insights.

Over time my goals evolved - this was especially due to the fact that the company I started my career with went into bankruptcy after having been taken over by an Asian competitor, something that I felt was completely unnecessary and purely a result of bad management decisions for a number of years. I realized it could have been done better, and wanted to be in a position some day to do so. I decided that I wanted to go into consulting post-MBA. That's my current goal.

Where:

Haas has always been a dream school, because I love SF. Not so sure about it anymore, though.
Kellogg for its strong marketing program, and because I like the area.
-both of these programs have considerable international brand recognition-

Tuck, Ivy League, great in strategy, tight knit, campus feel (I really want to experience the campus atmosphere of an American school)
Ross - good general management program, good in rankings, no brand name recognition in Europe though

IESE, Spain. Great network in Europe, one of the very best two year programs in Europe. (next to LBS)

Most of these programs are relatively small.

Where, NOT:

Harvard. Case-method, assumed to have arrogant graduates, huge intake.
Wharton. Too competitive people, too finance focused, location, huge intake.

Stanford. I dont know why anymore. Have a +700 GMAT and could have gone for it. I chickened out.

Maybe where:

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The decision:

Accepted at IESE, the American schools will hand out the decisions within the next few weeks and we will see.

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10 Jan 2008, 08:06
love it - wonderful wonderful thread. +10 to everyone who contributed.
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11 Jan 2008, 02:22
where where where?
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14 Jan 2008, 01:12
awesome post helg! It really provided good insight into your thought process and what you learned from the previous year's application. I loved the excerpt of "Why Wharton" from your essays last year. That is one thing GMATClub (among a lot of other things) taught me NOT to do.

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14 Jan 2008, 01:23
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I loved the excerpt of "Why Wharton" from your essays last year. That is one thing GMATClub (among a lot of other things) taught me NOT to do.

It did require lots of courage to make this **** public
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14 Jan 2008, 01:51
I cant remember what i put in the why` essays... Not much better than your original Wharton ones i guess
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14 Jan 2008, 02:57
Excelent post helg. I haven't understood though, how IMD would be your backup, I fell that in Europe Insead is easier to get into than IMD, as IMD has a 80 intake.
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14 Jan 2008, 03:16
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Excelent post helg. I haven't understood though, how IMD would be your backup, I fell that in Europe Insead is easier to get into than IMD, as IMD has a 80 intake.

It's 90 intake (not that it matters much when we speak chances )
Frankly, I never considered INSEAD, I just do not have love for the school, but that's personal, not rational, since I understand what a great school it is. So, broadly speaking of European schools being back-ups for U.S.-based schools, I liked IMD the most I fully realize though that admissions there is extremely competitive!
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14 Jan 2008, 03:34
helg wrote:
kwam wrote:
Excelent post helg. I haven't understood though, how IMD would be your backup, I fell that in Europe Insead is easier to get into than IMD, as IMD has a 80 intake.

It's 90 intake (not that it matters much when we speak chances )
Frankly, I never considered INSEAD, I just do not have love for the school, but that's personal, not rational, since I understand what a great school it is. So, broadly speaking of European schools being back-ups for U.S.-based schools, I liked IMD the most I fully realize though that admissions there is extremely competitive!

I thought that this irrational things happened with us, Latin people and not with Russians
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IMD

I think I wouldnt be happy there, it has no real campus and university attached, at appears to be a hideout for consultants and I bankers who only need the MBA stamp to continue with their careers. I dont see any warmth in the place. - sorry, just my outsider impression -
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I thought that this irrational things happened with us, Latin people and not with Russians

LOL
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IMD

I think I wouldnt be happy there, it has no real campus and university attached, at appears to be a hideout for consultants and I bankers who only need the MBA stamp to continue with their careers. I dont see any warmth in the place. - sorry, just my outsider impression -

There's an IMD Alumni at my company, she is in a senior management position. I was thinking about applying to IMD... only school i saw which providing daycare facilities!!!!

However the language requirements were far too strict for me.
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IMD

I think I wouldnt be happy there, it has no real campus and university attached, at appears to be a hideout for consultants and I bankers who only need the MBA stamp to continue with their careers. I dont see any warmth in the place. - sorry, just my outsider impression -

It's Switzerland, eh? Independence counts. The IMD people might not rush in to hug and kiss you, but in the end of the year these 90 become really interconnected. Remember also, that a 1-year program is more rigorous than a 2-year, so that adds additional strain.
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14 Jan 2008, 06:03
helg wrote:
branson wrote:
IMD

I think I wouldnt be happy there, it has no real campus and university attached, at appears to be a hideout for consultants and I bankers who only need the MBA stamp to continue with their careers. I dont see any warmth in the place. - sorry, just my outsider impression -

It's Switzerland, eh? Independence counts. The IMD people might not rush in to hug and kiss you, but in the end of the year these 90 become really interconnected. Remember also, that a 1-year program is more rigorous than a 2-year, so that adds additional strain.

Sure, I just heard many people say that a 1-year program won't allow for time to actually get to know people personally or to breath a minute and think about where you want to go. Not for me.
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