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Re: SC: Federalist Papers [#permalink] New post 03 Oct 2007, 14:46
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The Federalist papers is a compilation of articles written by Alexander Hamilton and James Madison, as well as a few by John Jay, since each of them were advocates of the Constitution.

(A) since each of them were
(B) since they were each
(C) since all of them were
(D) each of which was
(E) because all of the men were

Please explain your answers.


E for me, takes 30 seconds.
Might be untraditional, but in GMAT, because is preferred over since. We know that D is wrong because of the "was".
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Re: SC: Federalist Papers [#permalink] New post 03 Oct 2007, 14:50
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eyunni wrote:
The Federalist papers is a compilation of articles written by Alexander Hamilton and James Madison, as well as a few by John Jay, since each of them were advocates of the Constitution.

(A) since each of them were
(B) since they were each
(C) since all of them were
(D) each of which was
(E) because all of the men were

Please explain your answers.


In my opinion, it should be E for the following reasons:

1: because is preferred over since.
2: this is cause and effect: x is y because of z.
3: men clearly refers to Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay. so no ambiguity here. if we take B or C, clearly they and them are ambigious.

What is the source?


I think we need both(not all) to refer to two person. All is used for 3 or more things.
There are only two person here( John Jay is referenced in as well as clause so it can not be conjugated ii) he is mentioned in non-essential clause).


good point: for your reason, "all" is required to refer all three people. since we need to refer three people, that why all is more appropariate.

That further makes E more resonable.

thanks.


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I was saying opposite of what you thought.

Again..
I think we need both(not all) to refer to two person. All is used for 3 or more things.
There are only two person here( John Jay is referenced in as well as clause so it can not be conjugated ii) he is mentioned in non-essential clause).


I know what you are/were saying that gave me further clue why it is E. thanks again.
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Re: SC: Federalist Papers [#permalink] New post 03 Oct 2007, 22:56
eyunni wrote:
The Federalist papers is a compilation of articles written by Alexander Hamilton and James Madison, as well as a few by John Jay, since each of them were advocates of the Constitution.

(A) since each of them were
(B) since they were each
(C) since all of them were
(D) each of which was
(E) because all of the men were

Please explain your answers.


This must be an old edition of MGMAT SC b/c I don't have this.
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 [#permalink] New post 04 Oct 2007, 04:57
This is from the Manhattan Review Sentence Correction Guide.
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 [#permalink] New post 04 Oct 2007, 05:10
The Federalist papers is a compilation of articles written by Alexander Hamilton and James Madison, as well as a few by John Jay, since each of them were advocates of the Constitution.

(A) since each of them were
(B) since they were each
(C) since all of them were
(D) each of which was
(E) because all of the men were

Between C & E
My Answer : C just because its simpler than E :D
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Re: SC: Federalist Papers [#permalink] New post 04 Oct 2007, 05:34
eyunni wrote:
The Federalist papers is a compilation of articles written by Alexander Hamilton and James Madison, as well as a few by John Jay, since each of them were advocates of the Constitution.

(A) since each of them were
(B) since they were each
(C) since all of them were
(D) each of which was
(E) because all of the men were

Please explain your answers.


I was for C but after reading what others have been writing I am torn between C and E.

I know from the SC Usage - because > since > being. This makes choice E look good. But still not a 100% sure.
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Re: SC: Federalist Papers [#permalink] New post 04 Oct 2007, 06:11
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The Federalist papers is a compilation of articles written by Alexander Hamilton and James Madison, as well as a few by John Jay, since each of them were advocates of the Constitution.

(A) since each of them were
(B) since they were each
(C) since all of them were
(D) each of which was
(E) because all of the men were

Please explain your answers.


When each is the subject of a sentence it is singular. However, ADVOCATES is plural. So we will have to use a combination such that THEY becomes the subject to correspond to advocates. If we use they were each then this problem is resolved.

B stands.


If (B) has to be true, I think the sentence should go like this: "........since they were each an advocate of the Constitution."

Correct me if I am wrong.


I correct myself. In the supposedly incorrect choice (B), even if 'each' is singular, the grammar rule is that 'they' is plural and overrides the singular mode of 'each'. Therefore, it is correct to say something like: they were each 'advocates' of the Constitution.[/i][/u][/b]

However, I am positive that (E) is the right answer. As all of you know, 'since' is generally used to refer to a point in past time. (However, here 'since' is used as a substitute for 'because'.)
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Re: SC: Federalist Papers [#permalink] New post 04 Oct 2007, 06:27
eyunni wrote:
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eyunni wrote:
The Federalist papers is a compilation of articles written by Alexander Hamilton and James Madison, as well as a few by John Jay, since each of them were advocates of the Constitution.

(A) since each of them were
(B) since they were each
(C) since all of them were
(D) each of which was
(E) because all of the men were

Please explain your answers.


When each is the subject of a sentence it is singular. However, ADVOCATES is plural. So we will have to use a combination such that THEY becomes the subject to correspond to advocates. If we use they were each then this problem is resolved.

B stands.


If (B) has to be true, I think the sentence should go like this: "........since they were each an advocate of the Constitution."

Correct me if I am wrong.


I correct myself. In the supposedly incorrect choice (B), even if 'each' is singular, the grammar rule is that 'they' is plural and overrides the singular mode of 'each'. Therefore, it is correct to say something like: they were each 'advocates' of the Constitution.[/i][/u][/b]

However, I am positive that (E) is the right answer. As all of you know, 'since' is generally used to refer to a point in past time. (However, here 'since' is used as a substitute for 'because'.)



"each" in B is playing a role of adjective.....

You can have a look at :

http://www.gmatclub.com/forum/t27442

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Re: SC: Federalist Papers [#permalink] New post 21 Jul 2010, 13:28
E was my first instinct but C pulls me each time I look at this.
I think we need expert intervention on this one. Someone needs to come out with a verdict.

I have another question: Why do we prefer 'because' over 'since'? Is it some kind of an idiom rule?
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Re: SC: Federalist Papers [#permalink] New post 23 May 2011, 00:09
I have attended this question two times but both the times I have answered wrongly.

My error is related to idiom.

Step 1:"The Federalists Papers" is plural so, I have eliminated option (A).
Step 2: I have eliminated option (B) and (D) because there is no "and" in the options. I thought "and" is required to join two modifier clauses.
Step 3: I have eliminated option (C) because it will end up forming a sentence only with subordinate clause. There will be no main clause.
Step 3: I chose option (E), which is a wrong answer.

My Error: I failed to realize that "as well as" can also join modifier clauses like "and" does.
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Re: SC: Federalist Papers [#permalink] New post 13 Sep 2011, 18:35
C IMV. Nonetheless, a disputed SC. Should be removed to avoid further confusion.
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Re: SC: Federalist Papers [#permalink] New post 13 Sep 2011, 19:36
I go for C

It's pretty clear because the compilation of articles is a group. So, 'all of them' correctly refers to the three men in the previous clause.
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Re: SC: Federalist Papers [#permalink] New post 14 Sep 2011, 06:17
B is right because of S-V issue.

IF they is placed before each, it makes the subject plural. On the other hand, if them is placed after each then the subject is singular.

e.g. Each of them has done their home work.

They each have done their home work.

In the underlined section we've advocateS, so we need a plural verb which B has.

E is wordy and "because" doesn't serves the same purpose as since.
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Re: SC: Federalist Papers [#permalink] New post 14 Sep 2011, 07:13
I'll go for C.

Experts, Can you please assist us in this SC? Thx in advance.

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Re: SC: Federalist Papers [#permalink] New post 14 Sep 2011, 22:43
Since can refer to both time and also be synonymous to 'because'

Here while using since it can also be interpreted as ...

It is a compilation written by these people from the time they were advocates.
IMO Option C makes it ambiguous.

Why not E. It sounds bad for the ear.

B is also good. Confused.. Lol..:)
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Re: SC: Federalist Papers [#permalink] New post 15 Sep 2011, 21:20
I was browsing to find the solution for this SC and one of the MGMAT instructor said -

THIS QUESTION IS INVALID. PRETEND YOU NEVER SAW IT AND SPEND YOUR TIME INSTEAD ON VALID QUESTIONS!
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Re: SC: Federalist Papers [#permalink] New post 16 Sep 2011, 09:02
My vote for E since all other options are ambiguous.
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Re: The Federalist papers is a compilation of articles written [#permalink] New post 10 Feb 2012, 21:14
Re-igniting the debate, I feel C is the correct choice here.

E is very awkward (all of the men ... )
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