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Re: El Greco [#permalink] New post 04 Nov 2011, 22:32
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The figures in portraits by the Spanish painter El Greco (1541-1614) are systematically elongated. In El Greco's time, the intentional distortion of the human figures was unprecedented in European Painting. Consequently, some critics have suggested that El Greco had astigmatism, a type of visual impairment that resulted in people appearing to him in the distorted way that is characteristic of his paintings. However, this suggestion cannot be the explanation, because _______________________
A. Several twentieth century artists have consciously adopted from El Greco's paintings the systematic elongation of the human form.
B. Some people do have elongated bodies somewhat like those depicted in El Greco's portraits.
C. If El Greco had astigmatism, then, relative to how people looked to him, the elongated figures in his paintings would have appeared to him to be distorted.
D. Even if El Greco had astigmatism, there would have been no correction for it available in the period in which he lived.
E. There were non-European artists even in El Greco's time who included in their works human figures that were intentionally distorted.


Premise 1: The figures in El Greco's paintings are systematically enlongated
Premise 2: In his time, the intentional enlongated never happen in the ealier
Premise 3: Astigmatism is a type of visual impairment that results in people appearing to patient in the enlogated way...
Conclusion: El Greco had astigmatism

A. Strengthen one
B. Elongating figures in painting of some people do not prove that El Greco did not have astigmatism, maybe they all had astigmatism :) => irrelevant
D. There is no correction for astigmatism cannot prove that El Greco did not have this disease
E. Is the same with B
C. If El Greco had astigmatism, then, relative to how people looked to him, the elongated figures in his paintings would have appeared to him to be distorted. => What did thisilsentence say? According to my understand, the figures in El Greco painting s will be distorted double times through 1st is elongated figures and 2nd El Greco's eyes (because of astigmatism) to become normal.
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Re: The figures in portraits by the Spanish painter El Greco [#permalink] New post 26 Nov 2011, 03:33
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Re: The figures in portraits by the Spanish painter El Greco [#permalink] New post 01 Dec 2011, 20:56
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Re: The figures in portraits by the Spanish painter El Greco [#permalink] New post 21 Jan 2012, 03:01
My take is also C.
Basically we need to prove some people suggestion - that the artist had astigmatism - is wrong.

Now, think this way: artist painted what he SAW. If he had astigmatism, everything will look distorted, INCLUDING HIS OWN PAINTINGS, though they were NOT elongated in reality. This is exactly what C says.
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Re: The figures in portraits by the Spanish painter El Greco [#permalink] New post 21 Jan 2012, 19:57
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Re: The figures in portraits by the Spanish painter El Greco [#permalink] New post 30 May 2013, 01:28
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The figures in portraits by the Spanish painter El Greco (1541-1614) are systematically elongated. In El Greco's time, the intentional distortion of the human figures was unprecedented in European Painting. Consequently, some critics have suggested that El Greco had astigmatism, a type of visual impairment that resulted in people appearing to him in the distorted way that is characteristic of his paintings. However, this suggestion cannot be the explanation, because _______________________
A. Several twentieth century artists have consciously adopted from El Greco's paintings the systematic elongation of the human form.
B. Some people do have elongated bodies somewhat like those depicted in El Greco's portraits.
C. If El Greco had astigmatism, then, relative to how people looked to him, the elongated figures in his paintings would have appeared to him to be distorted.
D. Even if El Greco had astigmatism, there would have been no correction for it available in the period in which he lived.
E. There were non-European artists even in El Greco's time who included in their works human figures that were intentionally distorted.


El Greco's portrait are elongated. While El Greco time, the intentional distortion was not popular. Therefore, El Greco had visual impairment.
The fill in blank is the missing premise that support for the conclusion that El Creco didn't have visual impairment.

Looking at options:
A mentioned about twentieth century artists --> irrelevant --> A is incorrect
B said that some people have elongated bodies like those in El Creco's paintings. Therefore, El Creco's portraits reflected actual models who are elongated, not because of his visual impairment --> B is correct
C discussed about how El Creco looks at the paintings, not how he made the paintings --> C is incorrect
D mentioned about correction for El Creco's visual impairment, not support the conclusion that actually he didn't have visual impairment --> incorrect
E mentioned "non-European artists" while The passage discussed about European artists --> irrelevant --> incorrect.
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Re: The figures in portraits by the Spanish painter El Greco [#permalink] New post 25 Jul 2013, 00:15
On reading this question in forums, I found that some people thought this was a C&E argument and felt that providing an alternate cause will serve as a weakener. However, we do not want to weaken the argument.
We want to make sure that this explanation is not the correct explanation. i.e in c&e terms, X led to Y is the conclusion.
we have to prove X cannot lead to Y.
Choice B is talking about some people-not as people in general as a whole.
so maybe this choice does throw some doubt over the conclusion, but does not destroy it.
choice e, providing the example of non european arguments, says that they intentionally distorted the images. Again, this serves as a weakener. but does not destroy the conclusion completely.
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Re: The figures in portraits by the Spanish painter El Greco [#permalink] New post 25 Jul 2013, 10:25
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This argument asks us to weaken the stated conclusion. Therefore, we are looking for new information which shows that the conclusion - that the elongated figures were due to his astigmatism - based on the premise that elongated figures were not normal in the art world.

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The figures in portraits by the Spanish painter El Greco (1541-1614) are systematically elongated. In El Greco's time, the intentional distortion of the human figures was unprecedented in European Painting. Consequently, some critics have suggested that El Greco had astigmatism, a type of visual impairment that resulted in people appearing to him in the distorted way that is characteristic of his paintings. However, this suggestion cannot be the explanation, because _______________________
A. Several twentieth century artists have consciously adopted from El Greco's paintings the systematic elongation of the human form.the fact that people copied him afterward cannot speak to why he painted what he did when he did
B. Some people do have elongated bodies somewhat like those depicted in El Greco's portraits.This was still not the norm in painting and while it may work, we would need to know that El Greco knew of these people for it to be truly strong.
C. If El Greco had astigmatism, then, relative to how people looked to him, the elongated figures in his paintings would have appeared to him to be distorted.This works because it is an explanation about how the astigmatism would not have explained the figures as they would not have looked like people to him either
D. Even if El Greco had astigmatism, there would have been no correction for it available in the period in which he lived.while this may be true, it is doesn't affect whether the astigmatism caused his figures to be distorted and therefore can't weaken
E. There were non-European artists even in El Greco's time who included in their works human figures that were intentionally distorted. IN this case the non-European artists are irrelevant

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Re: The figures in portraits by the Spanish painter El Greco [#permalink] New post 23 Aug 2013, 00:44
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The figures in portraits by the Spanish painter El Greco (1541-1614) are systematically elongated. In El Greco's time, the intentional distortion of the human figures was unprecedented in European Painting. Consequently, some critics have suggested that El Greco had astigmatism, a type of visual impairment that resulted in people appearing to him in the distorted way that is characteristic of his paintings. However, this suggestion cannot be the explanation, because _______________________
A. Several twentieth century artists have consciously adopted from El Greco's paintings the systematic elongation of the human form.
B. Some people do have elongated bodies somewhat like those depicted in El Greco's portraits.
C. If El Greco had astigmatism, then, relative to how people looked to him, the elongated figures in his paintings would have appeared to him to be distorted.
D. Even if El Greco had astigmatism, there would have been no correction for it available in the period in which he lived.
E. There were non-European artists even in El Greco's time who included in their works human figures that were intentionally distorted.


I think it is C

a) Several artists adopted the elongation - that say anything about the painters disease - the artists might have adopted the techinque which El Greco got by visual impairment
b) Some prople have elongated body - does El Greco painted these people? May or may not
c)
d) No correction available - says nothing about painters impairment
e) The non-European painters may also have the visual impairment - and hence drawn elongated paintings

So only C is left out.

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Re: The figures in portraits by the Spanish painter El Greco [#permalink] New post 15 Feb 2014, 14:25
While answering the question, I didn't understand C, so I went with B. But thinking more about answer C, here is my understanding

Lets say El Greco sees a 6 feet guy and due to astigmatism, he perceives him to be 12 feet (he sees things twice as long).
Now when he draws it, if he draws it to be 6 feet, then when he looks at his painting, it will look 12 feet to him, the same as how he perceives a real human.
If he draws it at 12 feet, when he looks back at his painting, he'll see it as 24 feet, which will not match the 12 feet person he visually perceives. The painting would look distorted to him.
Hence the size of a person in his paintings should match the size of the real person, so that with his astigmatism, he sees both of the same size.
Hence C makes sense. But it's really hard to get this level of understanding in 2 minutes (including time of reading question and all answers).
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Re: The figures in portraits by the Spanish painter El Greco [#permalink] New post 16 Apr 2014, 20:03
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Which of the following most logically completes the passage?

The figures in portraits by the Spanish painter El Greco (1541–1614) are systematically elongated. In El Greco’s time, the intentional distortion of human figures was unprecedented in European painting. Consequently, some critics have suggested that El Greco had an astigmatism, a type of visual impairment, that resulted in people appearing to him in the distorted way that is characteristic of his paintings. However, this suggestion cannot be the explanation, because______________.

(A) several twentieth-century artists have consciously adopted from El Greco’s paintings the systematic elongation of the human form
(B) some people do have elongated bodies somewhat like those depicted in El Greco’s portraits
(C) if El Greco had an astigmatism, then, relative to how people looked to him, the elongated figures in his paintings would have appeared to him to be distorted
(D) even if El Greco had an astigmatism, there would have been no correction for it available in the period in which he lived
(E) there were non-European artists, even in El Greco’s time, who included in their works human figures that were intentionally distorted


if the artist had some eye problem and he saw both a LIVE HUMAN FIGURE..... AND HIS PAINTING, SUPPOSED TO BE A REPLICA- BUT DISTORTED- HENCE DIFFERENT FROM THE ACTUAL LIVE VERSION.......

HE WOULD FIND BOTH DIFFERENT..........BUT THAT CANNOT BE THE CASE........ TO THE PAINTER BOTH THE LIVE AND PAINTED VERSION HAVE TO APPEAR SIMILAR- OTHERWISE WHAT WORTH A PAINTER OF PROMINENCE IS HE?

HENCE HE would have deliberately drawn them differently.............



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