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The aim of starting this thread is to achieve the ultimate score( Q50+) in quant. For the next couple of months( test scheduled -may end), i will be instrumental in achieving my desired result.
So with this short preamble, i come to the meat of my subject.
This post will be helpful to those who are done with concept books( mgmat set of 5 books or other authors basic concept books) and who are scoring around 47/48 and want to raise the score to 50+.
I have started serious preparation of quant around 20 days prior( studying verbal, my waterloo, for last two months +) , i could score Q 47 in mgmat 1 and Q 48 in GMATPREP 1 without any practice. However, after about three weeks of serious quant practice(finished mgmat x 5 books and OG Quant), my quant score(took mgmat 2 yesterday) is stagnated at 47 :( . After having brainstorm and wargamed many strategies for a good quant score, I decided to start a thread in which we fellows will discuss the material, the correct approach and strategy and the progress. I will be posting the results of weekend CATs and my assessment.
Quant Material i look forward to in next two months :-
GMATCLUB Tests (Total-25, already taken 4,Getting around 28-33 correct, Great Qns)
Jeff Sackmann's challenge sets only( i think basic sets won't be required)
Jeff Sackmann's extreme challenge set
Bunnel's signatures
Time:- I can devote around 2-3 hrs on weekdays and 4-6 hrs on each weekends this month. Next month onwards, i will be able to devote around 4 hrs on weekdays and 8-10 on weekends.
Plan
1) Finish balance 21 gmatclub tests( one per day including review)( review error log every weekend)
2) Get done with Bunnel's signatures.
3) Finish Jeff Sackmann's eight sets( maintaining error log simultaneously) ( reviewing error log on weekends)
Though at the first sight , the plan may looks like an over-kill :) but then i have time to make sure that the desired result is achieved without any drop. Moreover, I can only put in best efforts once, probably don't have the will power for the second shot.

I want my fellows to post their opinion and those sailing in the same boat(47/48) may join this thread.
I would highly appreciate if high scorers and instructors can bisect my plan.
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Re: The Final Climb: Quest for Q 50+ from Q47/48 [#permalink] New post 21 Mar 2012, 09:37
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I'm in the same situation at the moment. My quant score on the last MGMAT CAT was a 48.

I'm working on Jeff Sackmann's sets at the moment, I think they are helpful and solidify most of the basics. I've finished the number properties, exponents & roots, statistics, geometry and arithmetic challenge sets and my skills on those topics seem to have improved. They are also great to detect weaknesses you still have. As you said maintaining an error log while going through all sets is crucial.
I plan to take the GMAT in about a month and up until then I will work on the areas in which I still have deficincies at the moment, try to work more attentively( take into account all the constraints, minimizing careless mistakes etc.), finish Sackmann's sets and then work through the GMAT club tests. Hopefully this will get me a 49 or 50 on the actual thing.

Good luck to you btw.
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Re: The Final Climb: Quest for Q 50+ from Q47/48 [#permalink] New post 21 Mar 2012, 18:00
Hi BN1989,
The careless errors are the ones that i am finding problem with. In the heat of the battle, such errors generally do occur. I try to be very attentive while solving a problem, however, if you have a method to avoid these errors, do share for a common cause. :)
I have tried Bunnel's signatures and they are simply great,thus I will strongly recommend them to everyone.
Good luck and keep posting the progress as and when you take the practice CATs.
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Re: The Final Climb: Quest for Q 50+ from Q47/48 [#permalink] New post 22 Mar 2012, 01:26
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Hi fellows,
The aim of starting this thread is to achieve the ultimate score( Q50+) in quant. For the next couple of months( test scheduled -may end), i will be instrumental in achieving my desired result.
So with this short preamble, i come to the meat of my subject.
This post will be helpful to those who are done with concept books( mgmat set of 5 books or other authors basic concept books) and who are scoring around 47/48 and want to raise the score to 50+.
I have started serious preparation of quant around 20 days prior( studying verbal, my waterloo, for last two months +) , i could score Q 47 in mgmat 1 and Q 48 in GMATPREP 1 without any practice. However, after about three weeks of serious quant practice(finished mgmat x 5 books and OG Quant), my quant score(took mgmat 2 yesterday) is stagnated at 47 :( . After having brainstorm and wargamed many strategies for a good quant score, I decided to start a thread in which we fellows will discuss the material, the correct approach and strategy and the progress. I will be posting the results of weekend CATs and my assessment.
Quant Material i look forward to in next two months :-
GMATCLUB Tests (Total-25, already taken 4,Getting around 28-33 correct, Great Qns)
Jeff Sackmann's challenge sets only( i think basic sets won't be required)
Jeff Sackmann's extreme challenge set
Bunnel's signatures
Time:- I can devote around 2-3 hrs on weekdays and 4-6 hrs on each weekends this month. Next month onwards, i will be able to devote around 4 hrs on weekdays and 8-10 on weekends.
Plan
1) Finish balance 21 gmatclub tests( one per day including review)( review error log every weekend)
2) Get done with Bunnel's signatures.
3) Finish Jeff Sackmann's eight sets( maintaining error log simultaneously) ( reviewing error log on weekends)
Though at the first sight , the plan may looks like an over-kill :) but then i have time to make sure that the desired result is achieved without any drop. Moreover, I can only put in best efforts once, probably don't have the will power for the second shot.

I want my fellows to post their opinion and those sailing in the same boat(47/48) may join this thread.
I would highly appreciate if high scorers and instructors can bisect my plan.



Unfortunately (or fortunately!), going from Q 48 to 51 involves work on conceptual clarity and timing strategies instead of just practice. You can solve any question of any level based on a particular concept if you understand that concept well. Also, I would suggest you to work on solving questions using logical methods which are faster and less prone to errors.
What do I mean by logical approach? Check out this post for an example: http://www.veritasprep.com/blog/2011/06 ... se-in-tsd/
If your concepts are very clear about how to manage these three together: Time, speed and distance, you can solve the question given in the post in under a minute. Else you might end up struggling for a while with equations. If you can manage to do a majority of questions in under a minute, you have the luxury of putting in even up to 5-7 mins in some really tricky questions (which you are bound to get to score 51) without affecting your score.

Let's all agree that you can pretty much solve all GMAT Quant questions if you are scoring 48. It is basically a game of time and nerves that makes you get 48 instead of 51. The logical approach helps you arrive at the answer without too many calculations and the "silly mistakes" reduce proportionally. Another important part of increasing your speed is memorizing multiplication tables (up to 20), cubes, squares etc so that you do not invest a second more than you have to.
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Re: The Final Climb: Quest for Q 50+ from Q47/48 [#permalink] New post 22 Mar 2012, 04:23
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Unfortunately (or fortunately!), going from Q 48 to 51 involves work on conceptual clarity and timing strategies instead of just practice. You can solve any question of any level based on a particular concept if you understand that concept well. Also, I would suggest you to work on solving questions using logical methods which are faster and less prone to errors.
What do I mean by logical approach?

Hi karishma, I agree with you on the logical approach issue. I have been following this approach for most of the questions and have got rich dividends in terms of time(for extra hard/tricky questions) and high scores. Rather, i owe my first 48 and that too without any practice to this approach. Yes, i could do the question in less than a minute with the logical approach. One can only use it once the person is done with the concepts. However, after having revised most of the concepts(mgmat 5 books), the score is still hovering around 47/48. I could identify three reasons:-
1) By applying the logical approach, I was moving too fast(end up finishing quant of gmatprep, mgmat CATs and gmatclub tests with around 15 - 20 minutes left). This way, i was making far too many careless/silly errors. So now i decided to GO SLOW, i keep telling myself that i have to go slow....i hope the results will prove it's efficacy :wink: .
2) I was getting around one-third of the questions wrong in Geometry, so decided to study it again, master the concepts and do a lot of varying difficulty problems.
3) I also noticed my weakness in questions testing mixed concepts( generally 700+ level), so decided to do a lot of prac questions, thus making sure that the surprise factor is reduced by the time i appear for the actual CAT.
BTW, Do you think the OG 12 and OG quant have hard questions :?: I have my apprehensions about the same.I don't think it's worth spending time on something that one can easily do, rather i would love to do the problems that i have difficulty in and that teach me something new.
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Re: The Final Climb: Quest for Q 50+ from Q47/48 [#permalink] New post 23 Mar 2012, 16:37
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Unfortunately (or fortunately!), going from Q 48 to 51 involves work on conceptual clarity and timing strategies instead of just practice. You can solve any question of any level based on a particular concept if you understand that concept well. Also, I would suggest you to work on solving questions using logical methods which are faster and less prone to errors.
What do I mean by logical approach?


BTW, Do you think the OG 12 and OG quant have hard questions :?: I have my apprehensions about the same.I don't think it's worth spending time on something that one can easily do, rather i would love to do the problems that i have difficulty in and that teach me something new.


i second your question..to put it the other way.. what is a rich source of 700+ quant questions?
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Hi karishma, I agree with you on the logical approach issue. I have been following this approach for most of the questions and have got rich dividends in terms of time(for extra hard/tricky questions) and high scores. Rather, i owe my first 48 and that too without any practice to this approach. Yes, i could do the question in less than a minute with the logical approach. One can only use it once the person is done with the concepts. However, after having revised most of the concepts(mgmat 5 books), the score is still hovering around 47/48. I could identify three reasons:-
1) By applying the logical approach, I was moving too fast(end up finishing quant of gmatprep, mgmat CATs and gmatclub tests with around 15 - 20 minutes left). This way, i was making far too many careless/silly errors. So now i decided to GO SLOW, i keep telling myself that i have to go slow....i hope the results will prove it's efficacy :wink: .
2) I was getting around one-third of the questions wrong in Geometry, so decided to study it again, master the concepts and do a lot of varying difficulty problems.
3) I also noticed my weakness in questions testing mixed concepts( generally 700+ level), so decided to do a lot of prac questions, thus making sure that the surprise factor is reduced by the time i appear for the actual CAT.
BTW, Do you think the OG 12 and OG quant have hard questions :?: I have my apprehensions about the same.I don't think it's worth spending time on something that one can easily do, rather i would love to do the problems that i have difficulty in and that teach me something new.

1. Logical approach doesn't lead to careless/silly errors. It involves very few calculations so the chances of error are reduced in fact. If you are making silly mistakes, you just need to back up a little. Double check whether logic is correct and when you get the answer think if it makes sense (e.g. if it is weighted average, is the average between the two numbers and near what you will expect with the given weights)
2. I like the Geometry book of Veritas. It is very comprehensive and covers every concept that could be tested on GMAT.
3. Many higher level questions will involve multiple concepts. OG12 and OG have very few "hard" questions (I remember 2-3) but the wording of the questions is similar to what you are going to see in the actual GMAT so it is a good idea to go through OG12 once.
The advanced word problems book of Veritas has high level questions (All are 700+, some are 750+, most are in the 45 - 49 range).
In my opinion, GMAT club tests also have a lot of high level questions. I have come across quite a few tricky questions which were from GMAT Club tests. You could ask bb about the break up of the level of the questions in the various tests.
You can also search for high level questions in GMAT Club using the tag of '700 level'.
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Re: The Final Climb: Quest for Q 50+ from Q47/48 [#permalink] New post 24 Mar 2012, 09:42
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Many higher level questions will involve multiple concepts. OG12 and OG have very few "hard" questions (I remember 2-3) but the wording of the questions is similar to what you are going to see in the actual GMAT so it is a good idea to go through OG12 once.

Hi Karishma, sincere thanks for your prompt reply and pearls of wisdom.
I would like to ask you one more question regarding what you wrote about mixed concepts. Since we are likely to see more of these questions in 700 + level, what would be ur take on such questions? Actually speaking, i am simply not able to connect the different concepts with each other. Is it due to my non-familarity with such questions or is it that the hit ratio with everybody in such questions is generally low.
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A WAY TO INCREASE FROM QUANT 35-40 TO 47 : a-way-to-increase-from-q35-40-to-q-138750.html

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Re: The Final Climb: Quest for Q 50+ from Q47/48 [#permalink] New post 24 Mar 2012, 14:33
Hi Guys,

I am also in for the battle, i had Q-45 in my real GMAT , and now i am on my way to Q-49/50.

I do have MGMAT Advanced GMAT, its a great resource, especially for strategies.

I have two vertias books - especially the one probability and combi is a great resource.
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Re: The Final Climb: Quest for Q 50+ from Q47/48 [#permalink] New post 24 Mar 2012, 19:07
wayahead123, Doing a book for probability will be an overkill but then doing it does gives a person much needed confidence. I have heard great guns about the advanced quant of mgmat, Does it comes with some practice questions???
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Re: The Final Climb: Quest for Q 50+ from Q47/48 [#permalink] New post 24 Mar 2012, 21:45
I am on the same boat. But this is the first time I am hearing about Bunnel's Signature collection. Where can I get it?
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@ udvranto, check out any post by Bunnel, his signatures are divided in two categories i.e Problem solving(PS) and Data Sufficiency(DS). These questions are simply too good. A must do to achieve high scores.
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Many higher level questions will involve multiple concepts. OG12 and OG have very few "hard" questions (I remember 2-3) but the wording of the questions is similar to what you are going to see in the actual GMAT so it is a good idea to go through OG12 once.

Hi Karishma, sincere thanks for your prompt reply and pearls of wisdom.
I would like to ask you one more question regarding what you wrote about mixed concepts. Since we are likely to see more of these questions in 700 + level, what would be ur take on such questions? Actually speaking, i am simply not able to connect the different concepts with each other. Is it due to my non-familarity with such questions or is it that the hit ratio with everybody in such questions is generally low.
Thanx and Regards
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Yes, many people detest questions testing multiple concepts. But once you know your basics well, you will be surprised how you can use basics from one topic to solve questions from another and mix and match without any problems.

e.g. Weighted Average can be used in many question. Check this post for an example: http://www.veritasprep.com/blog/2011/04 ... ge-brutes/

Look at this post where I use sets in probability:
http://www.veritasprep.com/blog/2012/01 ... e-couples/
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If you faced problems with any particular question testing you on multiple concepts, put it up and pm me the link.
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Doing the gmat club tests and realising how tough they are. rather the level of toughness increases with the test number.
@ All my fellows, I have gone through the Jeff's set also but IMO the GMATCLUB Tests have the hardest 700 + level questions required to raise our level in quant. I strongly recommend them to all my fellows aspiring for the ultimate score in Quant. Since I am currently doing htese tests, so i thought it's my bonafied duty to give my opinion to all my fellows.
Good Luck and must do these tests. They are Gold.
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Re: The Final Climb: Quest for Q 50+ from Q47/48 [#permalink] New post 29 Mar 2012, 15:02
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Unfortunately (or fortunately!), going from Q 48 to 51 involves work on conceptual clarity and timing strategies instead of just practice. You can solve any question of any level based on a particular concept if you understand that concept well. Also, I would suggest you to work on solving questions using logical methods which are faster and less prone to errors.
What do I mean by logical approach?


BTW, Do you think the OG 12 and OG quant have hard questions :?: I have my apprehensions about the same.I don't think it's worth spending time on something that one can easily do, rather i would love to do the problems that i have difficulty in and that teach me something new.


i second your question..to put it the other way.. what is a rich source of 700+ quant questions?



Having said that, can we have a collection of OG questions (numbers only) for DS and PS which are of the level of 700+? Can I roughly go through last 100-50 questions? Please tell.
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Having said that, can we have a collection of OG questions (numbers only) for DS and PS which are of the level of 700+? Can I roughly go through last 100-50 questions? Please tell.


The last 50-100 questions of OG are on average higher level but they do include lower level questions too. I think the latest OG (13th edition) has a better segregation (still not perfect) so if you can lay your hands on that (in case you don't have OG12 already), it might do you some good.
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1. Just dont do the tests. do revise concept of each question after the test whether you go got it wrong or right.
2. try to find a shorter way to solve the problem than you you did in quant set.(dont give too much fight to find solution... instead find solution on forum only).
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Re: The Final Climb: Quest for Q 50+ from Q47/48 [#permalink] New post 31 Mar 2012, 08:36
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I did my second MGMAT CAT yesterday and scored a 49 in the quant section. I had some timing issues, which caused me to skip some questions towards the end. Furthermore I made some silly mistakes again, it's kind of ironic that I commit those mistakes on the seemingly easiest calculation steps, I somehow tend to lose focus when the difficulty level drops. I still have yet to take the GMAT Club tests and hope that I have a little room for improvement left. How is your preperation going rajeevrks?
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Re: The Final Climb: Quest for Q 50+ from Q47/48 [#permalink] New post 31 Mar 2012, 09:14
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Hi BN1989,
great to know one point improvement from mgmat 1, I am sure you will score 50/ 50+ in actual gmat.
prep is going fine, doing gmatclub tests regularly and then intend working on jeff sets( though i finished algebra set earlier). How would you rate the Jeff's sets?
Also, i would strongly recom you to do gmatclub tests esp after test no 5 , it's an uphill task to get 30 + correct. Good luck buddy.
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Re: The Final Climb: Quest for Q 50+ from Q47/48 [#permalink] New post 31 Mar 2012, 15:46
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As I said I think Sackman's sets improved my quant skills, so I can't really complain, but I did notice some weird questions and his geometry drawings are pretty attrocious. Overall I'd say they might be a little too expensive for what they offer and you can probably get cheaper alternatives that yield similar results.
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