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The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but independently of the more celebrated city-states of southern Mesopotamia, in what is now southern Iraq.

A. that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but
B. that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, yields strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East were arising simultaneously with but also
C. having been cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East were arising simultaneously but
D. cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, yields strong evidence of centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arising simultaneously but also
E. cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arose simultaneously with but
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Re: First trenches [#permalink] New post 07 Aug 2010, 16:32
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Ok,I did POE and reached at E

First subject is trenches --- anywhere you see yields is out , B and D - out

left with A, C and E - having is almost always wrong on gmat - quickly eliminated C

A has got evidence for and E has got evidence that

evidence that is correct - So,E
Also, not sure whether were arising is correct in A , since the question talks about past - arose is better
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Re: First trenches [#permalink] New post 07 Aug 2010, 22:48
Yep it should be E.
Other options have glaring errors.
A is poorly constructed and doesn't convey the right meaning

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Re: First trenches [#permalink] New post 08 Aug 2010, 01:11
E is for me

trenches is plural, leave A,C,E option.

"cut into...." E is more clear than A.C
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Re: First trenches [#permalink] New post 08 Aug 2010, 08:15
Narrowed down to A & E, answer E
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Re: First trenches [#permalink] New post 08 Aug 2010, 08:56
Narrowed it to A and E....Chose A...My bad!!
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Re: First trenches [#permalink] New post 08 Aug 2010, 10:28
Good question. I picked wrong option though....:(
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Re: The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at [#permalink] New post 21 Dec 2011, 07:56
Ya E by opting past tense and evidence ..for ...b/w(A$E)
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Re: The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at [#permalink] New post 21 Dec 2011, 20:59
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The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but independently of the more celebrated city-states of southern Mesopotamia, in what is now southern Iraq.

A. that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but
B. that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, yields strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East were arising simultaneously with but also
C. having been cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East were arising simultaneously but
D. cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, yields strong evidence of centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arising simultaneously but also
E. cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arose simultaneously with but


Between A and E, A is wrong in phrase "evidence for"
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Re: The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at [#permalink] New post 05 Jan 2012, 22:14
evidence that is correct

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Re: The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at [#permalink] New post 04 Mar 2012, 13:03
In learning of foundation of prounouns, such as that, I probably have lost the track here!
Isn't "that" suppose to refer to a singular idea/thing?

Q1) Is usage of that appropriate here ? And why?

The first trenches--- that ----were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar,

Shouldn't it be "those" instead of "that", since trenches - the subject is plural? That & were - how do they go along?!!!!!

Q2) Shouldn't it be "those" here, instead of "that"?
If it represents a feeling /noun, then that should follow singular very - is/was ----
"Egypt, have yielded strong evidence for blah blah societies in blah blah ?"that"? were arising simultaneously ....


Q3)
What does prounoun "that" refer to?
Soceities right? (not the middle east)
Then shouldn't it be plural - those??

"Egypt, have yielded strong evidence for blah blah societies in blah blah ?"that"? were arising simultaneously ....

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Re: The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at [#permalink] New post 04 Mar 2012, 20:28
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In learning of foundation of prounouns, such as that, I probably have lost the track here!
Isn't "that" suppose to refer to a singular idea/thing?

Q1) Is usage of that appropriate here ? And why?

Q2) Shouldn't it be "those" here, instead of "that"?

Q3)
What does prounoun "that" refer to?


Yes That is supposed to refer to the singular idea/thing.
A1: Usage of that is inappropriate because you already have a main subject "the trenches". Why would you want to reiterate a subject which already exists immediately after you have introduced it, right? Later on in the sentence it makes sense to refer to it but not immediately after introduction.

A2: No. We should not use either that or those so early on. This is again drawing on answer to point 1.

A3: Correct. That here refers to the complex societies. But is wrongly used. This is the reason why the correct answer eliminates all usage of that completely. There is no ambiguity of that or those at all.
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Re: The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at [#permalink] New post 04 Mar 2012, 21:40
Much thanks !
That was interesting !

However, I am still trying to buzz my mind around that/those.
i see some grammer pundits saying, "that" goes even with plural subject.


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(there's no real difference here. so, the first one is marginally better, if only because it's more concise)

well, i understand, you dont want "that", immediately after subject.
but lets say if that's not the case....then
Would you justify use of pronoun "that", in such plural verb occasions?

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Re: The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at [#permalink] New post 04 Mar 2012, 21:50
OK, gotcha!!
There is a second point I forgot to mention and one that is tested on the GMAT quite often. The usage of "that" vs."which" as restrictive/non-restrictive pronouns.
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Source: GMAT Hacks website.
Here's a handy way to remember the rule: "That" is restrictive, while "which" is non-restrictive. The rule will make more sense after some further discussion.

Consider two similar sentences:

I'm staying at the hotel in Chicago that the Andersons operate.
I'm staying at the hotel in Chicago, which the Andersons operate.
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So, the next question: Do that and which refer to plurals or singulars?
They can refer to the whole sentence/noun phrase/noun/pronoun.

So, in summary, that is a pronoun, a restrictive prounoun and pronoun used for comparisons. You should be familiar with each of the usages for GMAT SC.
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Re: The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at [#permalink] New post 04 Mar 2012, 22:20
One more for E.

Going by POE you can easily rule out all the other choices except E. All others have Subject-Verb agreement or Tense errors.

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Re: The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at [#permalink] New post 07 Mar 2012, 18:09
First of, thanks for the research, mourinhogmat1 !

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mourinhogmat1 wrote:
Consider two similar sentences:

I'm staying at the hotel in Chicago that the Andersons operate.
I'm staying at the hotel in Chicago, which the Andersons operate.
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So, the next question: Do that and which refer to plurals or singulars?
They can refer to the whole sentence/noun phrase/noun/pronoun.

So, in summary, that is a pronoun, a restrictive prounoun and pronoun used for comparisons. You should be familiar with each of the usages for GMAT SC.

Sorry, but I think "that" in above sentence is not used as pronoun. It's used as a starter for a modifier.
The which doesnt really care about the "the andersons operate" (modifier), but on it's antecedant hotel

Take a look at this -
[Incorrect] I am staying at various hotels, which Paris Hilton operates.
[Correct] I am staying at various hotels, that paris hilton operate.

I think instead of studying business, I am doing research on English grammer now :)
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Re: The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at [#permalink] New post 07 Mar 2012, 18:13
so I researched more (on english grammer, not in business), and this is what I think -
mourinhogmat1 wrote:
Yes That is supposed to refer to the singular idea/thing.
A1: Usage of that is inappropriate because you already have a main subject "the trenches". Why would you want to reiterate a subject which already exists immediately after you have introduced it, right? Later on in the sentence it makes sense to refer to it but not immediately after introduction.


It's perfectly fine to use that, immediately after the subject. Let it re-iterate itself :)
It's little idomatic-modifier start-up usage.

Welcoming suggestion from all gmat pundits here (including mourinhogmat1) :)
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Re: The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at [#permalink] New post 27 Mar 2013, 10:49
Was thinking if i should choose E. got trapped by A :(
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Re: The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at [#permalink] New post 29 Aug 2013, 22:42
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1)that were cut(verb)
2)cut into(modifier)

then which one should I choose? and are there any specific rules for that???

Thanks for your help always


First, meaning is key to solve this question
The trenches cut into something (Active voice)
--OR--
The trenches were cut into something? (Passive voice)

Clearly, the trenches only cut into something (how the trenches were cut (passive voice) into something? :?: )

The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but independently of the more celebrated city-states of southern Mesopotamia, in what is now southern Iraq.

A. that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but
Wrong. Passive voice is wrong.

B. that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, yields strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East were arising simultaneously with but also
Wrong.
Same as in A. --> Passive voice is wrong.
Trenches is plural --> "yields" is wrong.
Wrong idiom: but also (the correct one is: not only... but also)

C. having been cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East were arising simultaneously but
Wrong. "having been cut" is ungrammatical.

D. cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, yields strong evidence of centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arising simultaneously but also
Wrong idiom: but also (the correct one is: not only... but also)

E. cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arose simultaneously with but
Correct.
Active voice "the trenches cut into something" <-- correct.
Contrast meaning: arose simultaneously with but independently.... <-- correct.

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Re: The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at [#permalink] New post 10 Sep 2013, 20:37
The first trenches ...

that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria,

Contd...have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East

that( Refers to societies) were arising simultaneously with but independently of the more celebrated city-states of southern Mesopotamia, in what is now southern Iraq.

I have a question regarding the idiom "Evidence that", "Evidence for" and "Evidence of". Evidence that is the right idiom? It was between A and E ( I eliminated A cos it was passive voice) Others had subject-verb agreement issues ( yields)
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