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The Forbidden City in Beijing, from which the emperors ruled [#permalink] New post 24 May 2007, 16:32
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757. The Forbidden City in Beijing, from which the emperors ruled by heavenly mandate, was a site which a commoner or foreigner could not enter without any permission, on pain of death.

(A) which a commoner or foreigner could not enter without any permission,
(B) which a commoner or foreigner could enter without any permission only
(C) which no commoner or foreigner could enter without permission,
(D) which, without permission, neither commoner or foreigner could only enter,
(E) which, to enter without permission, neither commoner or foreigner could do,
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 [#permalink] New post 25 May 2007, 06:39
It seems that I have not understood the SC. I chose B . What is the OA?
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 [#permalink] New post 25 May 2007, 07:56
The OA is A. Why?
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Re: SC - 757 - Forbidden City [#permalink] New post 25 May 2007, 08:08
The Forbidden City in Beijing, from which the emperors ruled by heavenly mandate, was a site which a commoner or foreigner could not enter without any permission, on pain of death.

(A) which a commoner or foreigner could not enter without any permission,
correct, clear, short
(B) which a commoner or foreigner could enter without any permission only
wrong, means that a commoner could enter without permission
(C) which no commoner or foreigner could enter without permission,
double negative, which is more complicated and amiguous than (A)
(D) which, without permission, neither commoner or foreigner could only enter,
wordy
(E) which, to enter without permission, neither commoner or foreigner could do,
wordy
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 [#permalink] New post 25 May 2007, 08:55
The Forbidden City in Beijing, from which the emperors ruled by heavenly mandate, was a site which a commoner or foreigner could not enter without any permission, on pain of death.

(A) which a commoner or foreigner could not enter without any permission,
(B) which a commoner or foreigner could enter without any permission only => wordy
(C) which no commoner or foreigner could enter without permission,
=> wordy
(D) which, without permission, neither commoner or foreigner could only enter, => "only is not required
(E) which, to enter without permission, neither commoner or foreigner could do,=> wordy

My Answer : A
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Re: SC - 757 - Forbidden City [#permalink] New post 26 Jun 2007, 14:29
B, D, and E are out right away. We are left w/ A n C.

(A) The FCB, from which the emperors ruled by heavenly mandate, was a site which a commoner or foreigner could not enter without any permission.

(C) The FCB, from which the emperors ruled by heavenly mandate, was a site which no commoner or foreigner could enter without permission.

I think C is less wordy and proper.
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 [#permalink] New post 27 Jun 2007, 07:03
"without any permission" seems a bit awkward.

would go for C.
btw what's the source ???
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 [#permalink] New post 27 Jun 2007, 07:18
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"without any permission" seems a bit awkward.

would go for C.
btw what's the source ???


Agree, I think either you have permission or you don't. I think preposition "any" is wrong.
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 [#permalink] New post 27 Jun 2007, 08:48
I narrowed it down between A and C but eventually chose C.

I saw that "C" appeared to have a double negative with "...no commoner could enter without". And that made me hesitant.

However, in answer A, the "any permission" piece appeared more awkward so I decided against it.

Tricky Ricky. Booooo! :)
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 [#permalink] New post 27 Jun 2007, 10:31
Agree with OA. It is clearly A.

if your concern is C then what about Conjunction NO..... OR ( it should be
Neither...... nor )
You can rule out D, E for same reasons.
In B the word ONLY is unclear.
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 [#permalink] New post 27 Jun 2007, 12:32
ah good catch. I didn't see the "no...or..." piece. That definitely rules out C.

THanks UMB.
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 [#permalink] New post 27 Jun 2007, 13:45
no...or is not wrong

look at example below-

The original employees hired, who had been there for over twenty years, were fiercely loyal to the firm and it offered no retirement benefits or profit sharing to any employees.


A and it offered no
B and it offered neither
C still it offered neither
D though it offered no
E though it offered neither

here the answer is D, and there is no....or

hence, the answer for 'forbidden city' question should be C. I'm surprised OA is A.
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Re: SC - 757 - Forbidden City [#permalink] New post 27 Jun 2007, 14:23
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757. The Forbidden City in Beijing, from which the emperors ruled by heavenly mandate, was a site which a commoner or foreigner could not enter without any permission, on pain of death.

I would choose C

(A) which a commoner or foreigner could not enter without any permission, without any....indicates redundancy...any isnt required and sounds rather odd

(B) which a commoner or foreigner could enter without any permission only changes the meaning of the original sentence by stating that the commoner or foreigner could enter without any permission...hence to be struck off

(C) which no commoner or foreigner could enter without permission, this is worded correctly and conveys the meaning......no redundancy

(D) which, without permission, neither commoner or foreigner could only enter, construction not correct......has to be neither ..nor..hence to be struck off

(E) which, to enter without permission, neither commoner or foreigner could do,
[b] wrong construction again...has to be neither...nor...[/b]
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 [#permalink] New post 27 Jun 2007, 14:55
r019h wrote:
no...or is not wrong

look at example below-

The original employees hired, who had been there for over twenty years, were fiercely loyal to the firm and it offered no retirement benefits or profit sharing to any employees.


A and it offered no
B and it offered neither
C still it offered neither
D though it offered no
E though it offered neither

here the answer is D, and there is no....or

hence, the answer for 'forbidden city' question should be C. I'm surprised OA is A.



OA is actually C!!!!!!!!!!! Check out 1000SC , question under 757...

Well done r019h!
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757. The Forbidden City in Beijing, from which the emperors ruled by heavenly mandate, was a site which a commoner or foreigner could not enter without any permission, on pain of death.


(A) which a commoner or foreigner could not enter without any permission,
any permission is wordy.


(B) which a commoner or foreigner could enter without any permission only
changes the meaning of the sentence.

(C) which no commoner or foreigner could enter without permission,

(D) which, without permission, neither commoner or foreigner could only enter,
the correct idiom is neither A nor B

(E) which, to enter without permission, neither commoner or foreigner could do,
the correct idiom is neither A nor B

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 [#permalink] New post 10 Jul 2007, 06:20
The Forbidden City in Beijing, from which the emperors ruled by heavenly mandate, was a site which a commoner or foreigner could not enter without any permission, on pain of death.

Let us substitute the following -C with ( or without) a full stop at the end
which no commoner or foreigner could enter without permission.

The Forbidden City in Beijing, from which the emperors ruled by heavenly mandate, was a site which no commoner or foreigner could enter without permission. on pain of death.

How would you account for " on pain of death" if you pick C.

Now check B -
.......a site which a commoner or foreigner could enter without any permission only on pain of death.

This takes care of the last part of the sentence without any awkward punctuation marks and makes perfect sense - they can enter without any permission - no problem - but only on pain of death.

I'll pick B.

Let us check a different sentence
meaning : if you are told to do something on pain of death, you will be killed if you do not do it.
They had been told to leave their homes by noon on pain of death


A person can enter X without permission only on the pain of death => meaning is "a person can enter without permission only if he is willing to play with his life."

A person cannot enter X without permission, on pain of death => absurd meaning

It should be B. It only gives the correct meaning. The modifier in C "on the pain of death" is absurd according to the meaning.
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 [#permalink] New post 10 Jul 2007, 10:39
The forbidden city was a site a commoner/foreigner could enter (sure but read ahead) ONLY on pain of death. :-D
How it can not be B?
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