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The gyrfalcon, an Arctic bird of prey, has survived a close brush with extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970’s.
(A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than
(B) extinction; its numbers are now five times more than
(C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were
(D) extinction, now with fivefold the numbers they had
(E) extinction, now with numbers five times greater than
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Only A & B use 'its numbers' for the singular gyrfalcon - C,D,E can be discarded.

For countable items/numbers, 'greater than' is preferred to 'more than'.

So A is correct.
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(A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than ------ Numbers is countable hence greater than required – correct choice.

(B) extinction; its numbers are now five times more than – more than in most contexts to denote more volume or mass and to that extent is no- countable So does not go well with numbers . Generally when a plural noun such as numbers, books, pencils, mountains etc is involved, it entails greater than.

(C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were---- their is a wrong pronoun

(D) extinction, now with fivefold the numbers they had ---- they is a wrong pronoun.

(E) extinction, now with numbers five times greater than --- This is a tricky issue. There is a temptation to allege that the phrase, now with ……. modifies extinction. More importantly, number does not indicate whose numbers it is, which is an Achilles’ heel. However, from whatever dimension, this choice is inferior to Choice A.
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13 Sep 2013, 20:36
Hi guys, I have a doubt regarding the question in this part "Its numbers are now five times greater than when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970's"

The doubt is regarding the comparison. shouldn't it be like this."Its numbers are now five times greater than they were when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970's"

If "they were" was not mentioned does it mean we can take it for granted?Is it a ellipses case?
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21 Sep 2013, 06:20
The comparison is discussed as a parallelism issue in this forum:

http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/the ... t1926.html

was struggling with the same and for me choice A is right because there is no better answer.

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10 Nov 2013, 18:58
daagh wrote:
(A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than ------ Numbers is countable hence greater that required – correct choice.

(B) extinction; its numbers are now five times more than – more than in most contexts to denote more volume or mass and to that extent is no- countable So does not go well with numbers . Generally when a plural noun such as numbers, books, pencils, mountains etc is involved, it entails greater than.

(C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were---- their a wrong pronoun

(D) extinction, now with fivefold the numbers they had ---- they is a wrong pronoun.

(E) extinction, now with numbers five times greater than --- This is a tricky issue. There is a temptation to allege that the phrase, now with ……. modifies extinction. More importantly, number does not indicate whose numbers it is, which is an Achilles’ heel. However, from whatever dimension, this choice is inferior to Choice A.

Can ypu help me out with this question. I am confused between A AND E

28) The gyrfalcon, an Arctic bird of prey, has survived a close brush with extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970's.

(A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than
(B) extinction; its numbers are now five times more than
(C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were
(D) extinction, now with fivefold the numbers they had
(E) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than what they were
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daagh wrote:
(A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than ------ Numbers is countable hence greater that required – correct choice.

(B) extinction; its numbers are now five times more than – more than in most contexts to denote more volume or mass and to that extent is no- countable So does not go well with numbers . Generally when a plural noun such as numbers, books, pencils, mountains etc is involved, it entails greater than.

(C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were---- their a wrong pronoun

(D) extinction, now with fivefold the numbers they had ---- they is a wrong pronoun.

(E) extinction, now with numbers five times greater than --- This is a tricky issue. There is a temptation to allege that the phrase, now with ……. modifies extinction. More importantly, number does not indicate whose numbers it is, which is an Achilles’ heel. However, from whatever dimension, this choice is inferior to Choice A.

Can ypu help me out with this question. I am confused between A AND E

28) The gyrfalcon, an Arctic bird of prey, has survived a close brush with extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970's.

(A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than
(B) extinction; its numbers are now five times more than
(C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were
(D) extinction, now with fivefold the numbers they had
(E) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than what they were

Hi mohnish104,
I think either you have made an error in reproducing the question or you are asking a new question,if it is the latter pls. make a separate post for it
I will explain the current question
The gyrfalcon, an Arctic bird of prey, has survived a close brush with extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970’s.
(A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than
(B) extinction; its numbers are now five times more than
(C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were
(D) extinction, now with fivefold the numbers they had
(E) extinction, now with numbers five times greater than

A and E differ mainly because of meaning
The original sentence is stating 2 fact abt gyrfalcon --the bird has survived a close brush with extinction AND its numbers have increase 5 times
so we need two independent clauses or sentences to state the above --this is done with Option A where the two independent clauses are joined by a semicolon;

While E uses a modifier [,now with numbers ..]
The modifier is not required since neither does it explain the earlier clause (how the bird survived a close brush with extinction) nor does it give any more information about it.
So A
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mohnish104 wrote:
daagh wrote:
(A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than ------ Numbers is countable hence greater that required – correct choice.

(B) extinction; its numbers are now five times more than – more than in most contexts to denote more volume or mass and to that extent is no- countable So does not go well with numbers . Generally when a plural noun such as numbers, books, pencils, mountains etc is involved, it entails greater than.

(C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were---- their a wrong pronoun

(D) extinction, now with fivefold the numbers they had ---- they is a wrong pronoun.

(E) extinction, now with numbers five times greater than --- This is a tricky issue. There is a temptation to allege that the phrase, now with ……. modifies extinction. More importantly, number does not indicate whose numbers it is, which is an Achilles’ heel. However, from whatever dimension, this choice is inferior to Choice A.

Can ypu help me out with this question. I am confused between A AND E

28) The gyrfalcon, an Arctic bird of prey, has survived a close brush with extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970's.

(A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than
(B) extinction; its numbers are now five times more than
(C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were
(D) extinction, now with fivefold the numbers they had
(E) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than what they were

Hi mohnish104,
I think either you have made an error in reproducing the question or you are asking a new question,if it is the latter pls. make a separate post for it
I will explain the current question
The gyrfalcon, an Arctic bird of prey, has survived a close brush with extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970’s.
(A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than
(B) extinction; its numbers are now five times more than
(C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were
(D) extinction, now with fivefold the numbers they had
(E) extinction, now with numbers five times greater than

A and E differ mainly because of meaning
The original sentence is stating 2 fact abt gyrfalcon --the bird has survived a close brush with extinction AND its numbers have increase 5 times
so we need two independent clauses or sentences to state the above --this is done with Option A where the two independent clauses are joined by a semicolon;

While E uses a modifier [,now with numbers ..]
The modifier is not required since neither does it explain the earlier clause (how the bird survived a close brush with extinction) nor does it give any more information about it.
So A

Its a different question. I have created a new post. Here's the link the-gyrfalcon-an-arctic-bird-of-prey-has-survived-a-close-162947.html#p1290822
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dentobizz wrote:
While E uses a modifier [,now with numbers ..]
The modifier is not required since neither does it explain the earlier clause (how the bird survived a close brush with extinction) nor does it give any more information about it.
So A

Also, "with" is generally a very "weak" modifier, because it is not very clear "what" it is modifyng. So, there is an ambiguity associated with it.
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10 Dec 2013, 19:17
Dear Friends,
I want to know exact meaning of "its numbers", does this equal to say " gyrfalcons" in choice A? I am struggling to understand the usage of "numbers"?
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10 Dec 2013, 19:29
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Dear Friends,
I want to know exact meaning of "its numbers", does this equal to say " gyrfalcons" in choice A? I am struggling to understand the usage of "numbers"?
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Hi Forfuture,

Yes,'its numbers' means 'the number of Gyrfalcon birds'
'its' is the pronoun for gyrfalcom
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dentobizz wrote:
forfuture wrote:
Dear Friends,
I want to know exact meaning of "its numbers", does this equal to say " gyrfalcons" in choice A? I am struggling to understand the usage of "numbers"?
Thanks

Hi Forfuture,

Yes,'its numbers' means 'the number of Gyrfalcon birds'
'its' is the pronoun for gyrfalcom

Dentobizz
Thank you very miuch for the expalanation.
But, if "its numbers" equal "the number of Gyrfalcon birds" why we use "are" in choice A.
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forfuture wrote:
dentobizz wrote:
forfuture wrote:
Dear Friends,
I want to know exact meaning of "its numbers", does this equal to say " gyrfalcons" in choice A? I am struggling to understand the usage of "numbers"?
Thanks

Hi Forfuture,

Yes,'its numbers' means 'the number of Gyrfalcon birds'
'its' is the pronoun for gyrfalcom

Dentobizz
Thank you very miuch for the expalanation.
But, if "its numbers" equal "the number of Gyrfalcon birds" why we use "are" in choice A.
Thanks for the respons in advance

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The gyrfalcon, an Arctic bird of prey, has survived a close brush with extinction;
sentence 2 its numbers are(verb) now five times greater than when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970’s.
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But, if "its numbers" equal "the number of Gyrfalcon birds" why we use "are" in choice A.

That is because "numbers" is "plural".
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20 Dec 2013, 03:28
Hi there,

Yes, "its numbers" refers to the gyrfalcon's numbers. Note that the subject is singular, "the gyrfalcon". So, "its" correctly refers to the singular subject. However, since "numbers" is plural, the plural verb "are" is needed.

I hope this helps to resolve your doubt!

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(A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than Best choice. The comparative elements are the number of now and the number of when ... I believe it's best to use "greater than" because the number itself is unknown and is generally referred to as something whole (uncountable noun in the sentence).

(B) extinction; its numbers are now five times more than Wrong - "more" should be used with countable nouns. It is true that a "gyrfalcon" is countable noun, but the comparison is between "numbers now" and "[numbers] when". The numbers of either one are really understood as something whole.

(C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were Wrong - "their number" must be close to the noun "gyrfalcon" in order to modify it; "what they were" is generally wordy

(D) extinction, now with fivefold the numbers they had Wrong - must have conjunction between "extinction" and "now"; "they" must be singular because gyrfalcon is singular;

(E) extinction, now with numbers five times greater than Wrong - imprecise. It's not clear what "numbers" refers to

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(A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than ( use of greater is fine to set comparison between now and past that is between two points refer MGMAT SC book)
(B) extinction; its numbers are now five times more than ( more is not appropriate here, sounds numbers are more not the count )
(C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were ( run on )
(D) extinction, now with fivefold the numbers they had ( run on )
(E) extinction, now with numbers five times greater than ( run on )
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According to e-gmat.. greater than is use for uncountable nouns.. and more than for either countable or uncountable !
numbers are countable ! so shudnt we use more?
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According to e-gmat.. greater than is use for uncountable nouns.. and more than for either countable or uncountable !
numbers are countable ! so shudnt we use more?

You can refer chapter 10 of MGMAT SC page 202; a similar example is given with explanation.
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PiyushK wrote:
sanjoo wrote:
According to e-gmat.. greater than is use for uncountable nouns.. and more than for either countable or uncountable !
numbers are countable ! so shudnt we use more?

You can refer chapter 10 of MGMAT SC page 202; a similar example is given with explanation.

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